Posts by Betting Slip

1) Message boards : Number crunching : scores (Message 81174) Posted 10 Feb 2017 by Betting Slip Post: the work done is in quin-tillions is that the English or American . ,,,,, or just how many zeros :-)10-? American = 1 folowed by 18 zeroes British = 1 followed by 30 zeroes
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Crowdfounding for new servers? (Message 80416) Posted 23 Jul 2016 by Betting Slip Post: I think the admins and scientists get enough from its contributors and maybe time they should be giving something back so, NO to further contributions. Speak for yourself, I'll gladly donate more if a properly organized crowdfunding campaign were held. I think this is a great idea boboviz, hoping the admins take notice and forward it to the appropriate parties. I was under the impression I was speakng for myself and expressing my own opinion. As for your opinion "A Fool And His Money Are Soon Parted"
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Crowdfounding for new servers? (Message 80414) Posted 22 Jul 2016 by Betting Slip Post: I think the admins and scientists get enough from its contributors and maybe time they should be giving something back so, NO to further contributions.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta Badges (Message 79340) Posted 2 Jan 2016 by Betting Slip Post: All the news / updates about the projects, stuff that you wish you'd see on twitter, etc can be found in the news section here of the Institute for Protein Design. Not really sure what else you think the project is lacking aside from updates to the website, boinc framework code, or other little optimizations (which as I mentioned is probably due more in part to underfunding than anything else, if this really bothers you so much, get proactive and donate some money.) Despite these shortcomings, rest assured your contribution of CPU power has a very real impact on pushing scientific progress forward - if you don't believe me, just spend some time looking at the IPD news feed and youtube channel as I linked previously. Sorry Timo I can't agree with you as all the material evidence points in another direction. We "the crunchers" are doing the "grunt work" and not any science. Basically, you're the labourer on a building site, clearing the rubble, humping bricks or sweeping up. Soon as you've done that, they'll use their own computing clusters. Believe me when I say scientists have NOT embraced or have any confidence in BOINC other than the "grunt" work. When it comes down to the real stuff they'll run it on their own clusters in which they have confidence and control. Don't despair, you doing the "grunt work" saves them a lot of money and by keeping you away from the science they get full credit when publishing, which is what most scientists are interested in being the "ego" driven gang that most are. BOINC looks likely to go down in history as a huge failure and for the most part not because of the crunchers but because of the scientists. I'm guessing most of you won't be able to swallow this so let the flaming begin.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta Badges (Message 79338) Posted 2 Jan 2016 by Betting Slip Post: ...If it was all about credits, I would be crunching Bitcoin. Yet, a small acknowledgement or pat on the back from the Rosetta@Home powers that be would go a long way. That at one time would have been enough. However, if they did that now they would just be "blowing smoke up your ass" Listen to what people DO, NOT what they SAY. Action on a lot of fronts is requiered and action is what this project has been lacking for quite a few years now.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta Badges (Message 79336) Posted 2 Jan 2016 by Betting Slip Post: I find it sad that so many of you do this for 'points' and 'badges' and would leave just because you don't see news updates directly on the homepage. Anyone interested in the most recent news around the science R@H is enabling should look at the IPD website and IPD's Youtube Channel. There is a tonne of press published through both of these channels, and a huge portion of it is science directly powered by Rosetta@Home's compute-power. There is a plethora of groundbreaking science coming out of the Baker lab and the Institute of Protein Design, not to mention the many hundreds of researchers who utilize the open Robetta structure prediction platform from academic institutions around the world. I agree that the baker-lab is a little under-staffed, if anything. Ideally someone who be a designated point of contact / point-man for updates to the R@H homepage, etc. but honestly I'll continue to donate compute cycles to this project as long as the science behind it keeps moving forward at the awesome pace it has been in the past couple of years! PS - there are some great videos available on the above youtube channel including this Awesome video tour of the Rosetta@Home servers from May 2015. Nothing to do with points or badges TIMO. I've been at this for over 10 years and believe me, if I thought the scientists on this project deserved my loyalty they would have it. However, they don't and haven't. In fact the greater suprise is that I haven't done this earlier. They themselves show that this project has little or no value to them because if it had value they would have done something. Anyway like I said they have Charity Engine and I'm fed up of what appears to be "blackhole" for my small contribution. I will repeat, it's not about credits or "you are important to us" or "badges" it's about being worthwhile and doing something usefull which I no longer believe about this project.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta Badges (Message 79331) Posted 31 Dec 2015 by Betting Slip Post: Maybe we should hand out badges to admins and scientists instead of users. Bronze: 1 year with no server update Silver: 2 years with no server update Gold: 5 years with no server update Gold with oak leaf cluster: 5 years with no server update and sloppy community work. Indeed! Last substantive news update June 20 2014 Last tweet: 30 January 2015 to add to the list of failures and utter contempt they have for their contributors. I think you'll have to go further than Gold with oak leaf clusters for this lot, they couldn't even muster the strength to wish all their contributors seasons greetings. Fortunately for them they have Charity Engine throwing in some significant computing lately. Anybody remember predictor@home? EDIT TO ADD Having posted about this subject on previous occasions and again today I have decided to say BYE to this project, this computer immediately and the other two as soon as possible because they are remote. Happy New Year to all.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : 261T flops round the clock- running out of tasks soon it seemed (Message 79323) Posted 29 Dec 2015 by Betting Slip Post: rosetta@home must be one of the most powerful volunteer distributed computing setup on earth 261.965 T flops concurrently running 902,484 jobs and completing 210,754 successes last 24h it'd seem we'd run out of tasks soon :p lol thanks also to the researchers/scientists for creating all those work units that's truly cutting edge research :D https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6753 https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6726 Not even close I believe folding@home has 40 PFlops and GPUGrid has 1.7 PFlops but has been over 2 PFlops
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta 3.62-3.65 (Message 79154) Posted 4 Dec 2015 by Betting Slip Post: What was supposed to be fixed? The validator or the credit limit. I can increase the credit limit to something more reasonable for those that run long jobs like yourself. I'm not sure what exactly causes the validation errors, it can be computer specific, but I'll take a closer look. It's hard to find a post that would prove it conclusively but here is one from October http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6716&nowrap=true#78892
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta 3.62-3.65 (Message 79124) Posted 28 Nov 2015 by Betting Slip Post: I don't know why it happens, but sometimes things go wrong when you're running a science project. The tasks are credited though - it doesn't show up in the "Tasks for computer" page but does under the task: Only up to a MAX of 300 If you run tasks for longer periods like myself you will lose. This was supposed to have been fixed a long, long time ago but as everything else with this project, nothing, nothing to be heard, nothing to be seen and certanly nothing to be done. EDIT TO ADD There have been more reported sightings of "Elvis" in London alone over the last 5 years than scientists on this project.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : validate errors (Message 78891) Posted 8 Oct 2015 by Betting Slip Post: Not even got this small problem sorted yet? https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=692377625
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta@home using AVX / AVX2 ? (Message 78880) Posted 3 Oct 2015 by Betting Slip Post: Good to hear they are thinking of updating their server code... because it is ANCIENT. Well, if it was ANCIENT in October 2014 but they are thinking of updating it that's good news. Oh wait, it's now October 2015. Oh well maybe they haven't done that much thinking in 12 months. They are very BUSY you know.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : R@H Scientists/Coders: An analysis of the Rosetta binaries... (Message 78879) Posted 3 Oct 2015 by Betting Slip Post: In DENIS... their admins didn't do a thing and are VERY grateful for the work of these two individuals. They are amazed by it. DENIS Optimized app Note that Sesef did the Windows version, while Crunch3r added versions for Linux and OSX (and an alternative Windows version). But that is a newer project, and whether the same tricks work for the Rosetta code, which has been around for awhile, is another question. The last time David replied to this thread was in July that in itself speaks volumes.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta 3.62-3.65 (Message 78837) Posted 20 Sep 2015 by Betting Slip Post: However what I do expect, is that the project admins configure the servers properly (or even upgrade them if necessary) and stop sending work to computers, which can't run the science application. Looking at past history "Some Chance" they are wating to lose all their supporters because this project is of no importance to them. Until you start banging the drum you will never know how "uninportant" you are http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6707&nowrap=true#78764
15) Message boards : Number crunching : free up a core for GPU (Message 78812) Posted 17 Sep 2015 by Betting Slip Post: is there a way to run just 3 rosettas on a 4 core cpu as it starves the GPU units I run I have the following XML in the Rosetta directory. The following should limit minirosetta jobs to a maximum of 3. <app_config> <app> <name> minirosetta </name> <max_concurrent> 3 </max_concurrent> </app> </app_config> Here is the path of the directory on my Windows machine: C:ProgramDataBOINCprojectsboinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta Some project have multiple named tasks and you would need 1 line for each one. If you misspell the task name, the project will display the list of valid name in the MESSAGE log. Or you could just restrict your CPU usage to 75% on a logical 4 core processor.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta 3.62-3.65 (Message 78794) Posted 15 Sep 2015 by Betting Slip Post: I remember that upgrading the server version was a priority. This was back like a year ago tho. Another indication of the "importance" that is placed on this project by the people who own/run it. http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6707&nowrap=true#78764 Even the forum has a very weak pulse, if it were a human we'd be calling in the relatives. I prefer, when dealing with people from all walks of life to follow this, "Listen to what people do and not what they say"
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta 3.62-3.65 (Message 78787) Posted 13 Sep 2015 by Betting Slip Post: I have set the runtime to two days. That have two benefits. First of all, less of network traffic for download of new WUs. And, less of wasted time for finishing one WU and start of another. Means, more time for number crunching. In addition, it reduces the space on my disc which is needed for the project. There is no 2 day setting, you must mean 1 day as it is the maximum duration. Edit to add: Sorry, Sid already posted that, didn't notice at first.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : All FFD_ units ending with Validate error (Message 78772) Posted 11 Sep 2015 by Betting Slip Post: The research paper each is working on at the time will be no better with better compiler options or etc. So, I would take the recent pursuit of such improvements as being above-and-beyond their scope and mission, and am encouraged to be seeing it. What you are saying is that if Rosetta were "faster" more "efficient" increasing throughput of WU's would have no effect on each individual scientists work. How can the improvement of their own project be "above-and-beyond their scope and mission"? My post was about more than an improvement to compiler options but you obviously didn't understand or chose to ignore.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : All FFD_ units ending with Validate error (Message 78764) Posted 11 Sep 2015 by Betting Slip Post: I have had many of these units and because my runtime is 1 day I have lost 17 days of crunching and that's only those that remain in my list of WU's over 3 machines. I'm not in this for the credit but I would normally get well over 1000 credits for each day of prcessing so "300" is not good enough. You are supposed to test when you change something, you didn't! It's little wonder that a lot of people sign up but don't stay long as a lot of "new" users to BOINC have "zero" tolerance to errors, they don't know what's going on and so abandon the project and you are always just left with the "hardcore" such as myself, who stick with you through "thick and thin" but you are trying my patience. You don't write, you don't call, there is little information from you, yet you still expect us to crunch blindly, hopefully and obediently. I often wonder how much belief there really is in BOINC and this and other projects. I think we are just a testbed and scientists have little confidence in BOINC and the public at large. We're just a resource, that's what you think isn't it? EDIT to add: I think if this project and it's users were important to scientists we would not be waiting for optimizations in code to take advantage of extensions that have been around in CPU's for years if not decades such as SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4 etc. Afterall these would reap you very generous rewards in computing power from existing users but you still haven't done it have you. It seems the idea of even using SSE has just crept int your consciousness. Now if Rosetta, its users and its results were as important as you often say they are surely you would have done these things, in fact it beggars belief that you haven't and still maintain we and our results are of any importance.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta 3.54 (Message 78156) Posted 24 Apr 2015 by Betting Slip Post: Issues here too, with a heap of crash notification dialogs after the night: 24.04.2015 02:39:04 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 02:39:04 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 03:01:56 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 03:01:56 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 03:24:48 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 03:24:48 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 03:47:41 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 03:47:41 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 04:10:32 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 04:10:32 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 04:33:25 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 04:33:25 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 04:56:06 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 04:56:06 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 05:18:48 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 05:18:48 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 05:20:38 \| rosetta@home \| Task TL_03590726_0415_2119_0169_0549_0114_0058_0025_0050_0001_0275_0167_0005_2204_0001_1960_0001__fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_259977_515_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 05:20:38 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 05:41:31 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 05:41:31 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 06:04:32 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 06:04:32 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 06:24:54 \| rosetta@home \| Task zibochen.helix.1start3_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_246434_2553_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 06:24:54 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 06:26:33 \| rosetta@home \| Task TL_03590726_0415_2119_0169_0549_0114_0058_0025_0050_0001_0275_0167_0005_2204_0001_1960_0001__fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_259977_515_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 06:26:33 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 06:27:15 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 06:27:15 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 06:49:57 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 06:49:57 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 07:12:39 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 07:12:39 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. 24.04.2015 07:35:22 \| rosetta@home \| Task R02027_dSASA1494.4_5L8HC46_Ttj04_NMdock_0005_0001_A_asu_0_0004_fold_and_dock_SAVE_ALL_OUT_263849_196_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file 24.04.2015 07:35:22 \| rosetta@home \| If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project. Well ... do I have to reset? CPU: AMD Phenom-II X4 (in case that may be interesting). Reset project, it can't do any harm.

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