The balance is between the amount of network traffic and the length of the jobs. Each WU is doing ten independent folding trajectories. If we cut this down to two, for example, jobs would run 5 fold faster, but the traffic would go up five fold. Once we have more hardware in place we should be able to deal with more traffic. But the work shouldn't be completely lost--if you have already written out five structures when you turn off your computer off, the next time you turn it on it should only have to make five more (I need to check on this).

So we need to reduce transfering data per WU. Me not confuse from necessity continuously PC working all day and night, but very confuse traffic. About 50Mb per day - it too large traffic. Usualy I spend about 300Mb per month, which cost about $30. And 50Mb/day*30day=1.5Gb, which cost about $150. This is half of my salary!!!
If we want to use "rent-free" PC resources in all world, we must understand, that "rent-free" in DC is CPU time, but not internet traffic. And reasonable traffic size about 1-2Mb/day/one CPU core.

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I try simple pack text file aa1dtjA09_05.400_v1_3 with fragments data
" position: 1 neighbors: 400

1f06 A 162 V L -83.317 116.745 175.741
1f06 A 163 Q L -85.736 -44.654 174.056
1f06 A 164 K E -149.188 143.809 -179.095
1f06 A 165 A E -160.412 159.686 176.956
1f06 A 166 V E -154.213 147.815 181.314
1f06 A 167 Q E -126.751 129.608 177.521
1f06 A 168 Y E -107.000 136.290 175.811
1f06 A 169 T E -92.039 117.444 -177.064
1f06 A 170 L E -121.951 129.001 179.049

1jz8 A 250 L L -82.940 116.696 -172.679
1jz8 A 251 R L -144.692 153.380 -175.553
....................
"
with RAR instead GZIP
and obtain archive size 1632Kb instead 3446Kb.
May by use RAR or 7ZIP instead GZIP?

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All of which may mean that projects like CPDN, Einstein@Home and Rosetta@Home may not be for you due to the connection costs.

You have to balance what you are willing to spend with which projects you wish to do. SETI@Home is nice in that the data files in both directions are fairly small. BUt this is why the projects, and the wiki try to outline the typical sizes of things so that you can make intelligent choices.

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All of which may mean that projects like CPDN, Einstein@Home and Rosetta@Home may not be for you due to the connection costs.

You have to balance what you are willing to spend with which projects you wish to do. SETI@Home is nice in that the data files in both directions are fairly small. BUt this is why the projects, and the wiki try to outline the typical sizes of things so that you can make intelligent choices.

Yes, OK. I want to say, that we can easy reduce traffic in 2-5 times. And emphazed problem, but not want complain to own hardships.

So if using 7zip we have 1479 Mb instead 3446Kb.

Next, if apply discrete numbers we can pack each line in six bytes, so after packing with RAR obtain about 800 Mb instead 3.4Mb.

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Next, if I right understude, 10 trajectories per protein is not limit. May be it possible to make this number optional, so that user can change it and tune traffic and WU frequency.

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All of which may mean that projects like CPDN, Einstein@Home and Rosetta@Home may not be for you due to the connection costs.

Other projects not perspective, but Protein Folding - mankind future. ;-) (Joke)
So I will participate in this project!

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Each BOINC project will have different requirements, including network traffic volume. If Rosetta is asking for too much bandwidth for you, please consider one of the other projects out there.

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Swz:

File compression was suggested before in these threads; I mention it here in case you have not seen them before --
thread1 and thread2

Thanks NBIT saves me doing the search to link to them (do you use NBIT ?).


Although to the people that say move elsewhere, I see this post as feedback to the developers as ways to overcome this problem are given.

CPDN is actually not too bad, bandwitdh may look large in the first instance, but since that is pretty much it apart from some small trickles for half a year or so, it's overall negligable ;-)

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...(do you use NBIT ?).

Just a coincidence. I chose NBIT as a moniker because I'm retired; me and my computer have nothing but idle time on our hands! :)

...(do you use NBIT ?).

Just a coincidence. I chose NBIT as a moniker because I'm retired; me and my computer have nothing but idle time on our hands! :)

i'd hope that your computer isn't idle ;)
surely it's at 100% constantly

All of which may mean that projects like CPDN, Einstein@Home and Rosetta@Home may not be for you due to the connection costs.

Other projects not perspective, but Protein Folding - mankind future. ;-) (Joke)
So I will participate in this project!

One possibility. Set preference to download work less often then disconnect network cable while computer runs work. Connect back up to send results download new work.

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One possibility. Set preference to download work less often then disconnect network cable while computer runs work. Connect back up to send results download new work.

Pay cost for megabytes and disconnecting not change paying.
See https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=756

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All of which may mean that projects like CPDN, Einstein@Home and Rosetta@Home may not be for you due to the connection costs.

Other projects not perspective, but Protein Folding - mankind future. ;-) (Joke)
So I will participate in this project!

One possibility. Set preference to download work less often then disconnect network cable while computer runs work. Connect back up to send results download new work.

Actually you can just tell 'boinc' to suspend network activity, which is much easier and far more prctical then running around pulling and reconnecting cables ;-)
And if you need to do it on alot of computers at one or even individually from one location BoincView makes it easy.

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it is with great reluctance that i now have to quit rosetta .......at least for the time being.

the size of the downloads has made it impossable to run the project anymore on my dialup connection.

with my offpeak connection the best i can manage to download is 40 Mb per day, just one of my machines is now trying to download 95Mb 8-(.........i have 11 machines running here.......downloading ~ 1 gig a week is just NOT an option.

i would suggest to rosetta that unless thay can limit in some way download sizes they are going to lose a lot of volunteers.

i have NO choice but to take my 25.6 Ghz of processors somewhere else, pity because the management here are so good in so many other ways.

hob

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it is with great reluctance that i now have to quit rosetta .......at least for the time being.

hi hob,

thanks for letting us know - and do keep an eye on these boards once in a while as I am sure it will be posted when the trafic issue is made more manageable.

I also would not expect it to be all that soon, with so many other issues that need sorting out.

I'm sure with your long experience of DC you will find another worthy project for your cpu cycles

River~~

Hob, been a long time brother ..nearly 5 year now...I`ll catch up with you elsewhere

Rosey you just lost one of the best all time crunchers , see ya buddy ..

Something for UW to think on....

In the UK a lot of our Broadband contracts (cheap) are restricted to 2GB a month, I don`t think any of us wish to pay more purely for the pleasure of Rosetta. Compression of WU is a priority issue.

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

Sad news hob, really sad news.... :-((

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Teddies....

ok .....i'm out apart from a few jobs left to run

testing predictor on one machine at the moment.....most are shut down

.....i can hear the tv clearly now

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Hob, not too sure Predictor is worthwhile, lots of complaints about it...check out here and their forum.....

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