I am using google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 dns and do not use secure dns.

I am using google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 dns and do not use secure dns.

I'm just on whatever DNS my ISP gave me. I've never heard of "secure dns". And why do you use Google's instead of your ISP? Isn't it fastest to use the closest one?

I am using google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 dns and do not use secure dns.

I'm just on whatever DNS my ISP gave me. I've never heard of "secure dns". And why do you use Google's instead of your ISP? Isn't it fastest to use the closest one?

Because in that browser I thought that my ISP was throwing things off so I changed to Google to see, but that did not make any difference.

[quote]But this is really odd. The link is http but yet if you try to go to it its converted to https without you doing anything. All my browsers do that.

hmm...there is something funky in their website.

There's nothing odd or funky about that -- the remote system is redirecting the http port to the https port.

What remote system?
If I say here to make it http and the project is also http, then why is it turning into https?
If things don't work here, then why via BOINC is it appearing to be the same issue?
Is there something here on the local system that got changed during an windows update or what happened?

That I don't know. HTTPS mode is not enabled in firefox.

This is enabled: Certificates
Query OCSP responder servers to confirm the current validity of certificates

In brave after I click on sign up it goes to here: https://www.cosmologyathome.org//create_account_form.php?next_url=

And that generates: This site can’t provide a secure connectionwww.cosmologyathome.org sent an invalid
response.
ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR

But if I try to delete the s then it automatically inserts s

I tried from Bing default setttings and it goes to https to join even if you erase the s
In settings: Use secure DNS to specify how to lookup the network address for websites

By default, Microsoft Edge uses your current service provider. Alternate DNS providers may cause some sites to not be reachable.

Same thing in chrome. I switched the secure dns to google and that doesn't work.
So I don't know whats going on.

It's just the join and sign in that go to https
I'll try from BOINC

Can't connect via BOINC as new user or existing user. Get an error message.

Ouch, I'm glad I use Opera, it goes where I ask it to. Changing the address is going to make you get a file not found obviously.

That was the browser I could not think of last night.
I used to use that, but then some websites used to hate that browser.
It's weird how some websites refuse to display everything or work until you switch to a different browser.

I checked the settings for DNS in firefox.
It's on use system settings.
All other fields are blank.

Chrome is back with current service provider for DNS
Secure DNS is on with Edge also set to current ISP
Brave is standard protection and secure DNS via ISP

Installed opera and the same thing happens there.
ssl protocol error.

What remote system?
If I say here to make it http and the project is also http, then why is it turning into https?
If things don't work here, then why via BOINC is it appearing to be the same issue?
Is there something here on the local system that got changed during an windows update or what happened?

Not sure, I have pretty much the latest versions of Windows 11 here. Only one of machines has TPM running, so only that one has the very latest version, the others are a couple behind. But I just tried Cosmology on the TPM one and it worked fine.

That was the browser I could not think of last night.
I used to use that, but then some websites used to hate that browser.
It's weird how some websites refuse to display everything or work until you switch to a different browser.

Yes, Opera is rubbish at new fancy stuff on websites. Sometimes I can be bothered reporting a site that doesn't work. Sometimes I just use Edge.

I checked the settings for DNS in firefox.
It's on use system settings.
All other fields are blank.

Chrome is back with current service provider for DNS
Secure DNS is on with Edge also set to current ISP
Brave is standard protection and secure DNS via ISP

Installed opera and the same thing happens there.
ssl protocol error.

So if in Opera you go to this link, http://www.cosmologyathome.org/ , what do you get? And what does the address bar show? Has it changed to https?

If I manually add the s in Opera, I don't get your error message, instead I just get "This site can’t be reached, www.cosmologyathome.org unexpectedly closed the connection."

That I don't know. HTTPS mode is not enabled in firefox.

It is enabled in mine. When I select "Account" it takes me here:

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/home.php

And the page I am typing this on is:

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_reply.php?thread=6893&post=107425&no_quote=1#input

I am running firefox-102.3.0-6.el8_6.x86_64 that is the latest Firefox ESL release for my OS distribution:

Red Hat Enterprise Linux release 8.6 (Ootpa)

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I checked the settings for DNS in firefox.
It's on use system settings.
All other fields are blank.

Chrome is back with current service provider for DNS
Secure DNS is on with Edge also set to current ISP
Brave is standard protection and secure DNS via ISP

Installed opera and the same thing happens there.
ssl protocol error.

So if in Opera you go to this link, http://www.cosmologyathome.org/ , what do you get? And what does the address bar show? Has it changed to https?

If I manually add the s in Opera, I don't get your error message, instead I just get "This site can’t be reached, www.cosmologyathome.org unexpectedly closed the connection."

Your missing what I said last night.
The main page and all other pages except for login and sign up work fine.
Well also Your Account page.

Basically anything that requires you to login goes bad.
I think the login pages are https and will not allow http?

[quote]But this is really odd. The link is http but yet if you try to go to it its converted to https without you doing anything. All my browsers do that.

hmm...there is something funky in their website.

There's nothing odd or funky about that -- the remote system is redirecting the http port to the https port.

What remote system?
If I say here to make it http and the project is also http, then why is it turning into https?
If things don't work here, then why via BOINC is it appearing to be the same issue?
Is there something here on the local system that got changed during an windows update or what happened?

The remote system is whatever system you are trying to connect to, in this instance Cosmology@Home. What is going on here has nothing to do with how your computer is set up, nor any application configuration on your computer. The change from http to https is being done by C@H's firewall.
Every decent firewall is capable of forwarding any given port to any other port. Think in terms of moving to a new place of residence, and instructing the post office to forward your mail from the old address to the new one. Port forwarding works in much the same way: In this instance, the C@H firewall is set up to send http traffic to the https port number (port 80 is redirected to port 8080, to be more specific). Not only can a firewall do this much, but it can also send http traffic to the https port on a completely different computer.
This is nothing you have any control over, and it does not matter if you are using Boinc or your web browser to make the connection.
As for the reason for the error, C@H's security certificate is expired, and so the issuing authority will no longer authenticate it. Because of this, your browser is refusing to load that page. Once upon a time, Firefox gave you a chance to accept the certificate anyway, and proceed at your own caution -- apparently no longer, but if there is a way to change Firefox's config back to the way it worked before, I haven't yet found it.

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/create_account_form.php

That is what the page shows, but when you click on the link then it goes to this:
https://www.cosmologyathome.org//create_account_form.php?next_url=

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/login_form.php
and that converts to https://www.cosmologyathome.org//login_form.php?next_url=

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/home.php
https://www.cosmologyathome.org//login_form.php?next_url=home.php

I am just copying what is in the url bar. Nothing is altered.

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/create_account_form.php

That is what the page shows, but when you click on the link then it goes to this:
https://www.cosmologyathome.org//create_account_form.php?next_url=

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/login_form.php
and that converts to https://www.cosmologyathome.org//login_form.php?next_url=

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/home.php
https://www.cosmologyathome.org//login_form.php?next_url=home.php

I am just copying what is in the url bar. Nothing is altered.

And I have told you what is happening at C@H -- the firewall is taking traffic addressed to the http port and sending it instead to the https port.
Why is this happening? Because C@H wants to ensure that your communication is secure while you are creating a new account or logging in on an existing account.

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/create_account_form.php

That is what the page shows, but when you click on the link then it goes to this:
https://www.cosmologyathome.org//create_account_form.php?next_url=

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/login_form.php
and that converts to https://www.cosmologyathome.org//login_form.php?next_url=

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/home.php
https://www.cosmologyathome.org//login_form.php?next_url=home.php

I am just copying what is in the url bar. Nothing is altered.

And I have told you what is happening at C@H -- the firewall is taking traffic addressed to the http port and sending it instead to the https port.
Why is this happening? Because C@H wants to ensure that your communication is secure while you are creating a new account or logging in on an existing account.

Ok...but their SSL is all messed up.
Or is there something on my end to correct SSL errors?
And I missed your info in all the other chatter.

Ok...but their SSL is all messed up.
Or is there something on my end to correct SSL errors?
And I missed your info in all the other chatter.

No, there is nothing you can do about it.

Ok...but their SSL is all messed up.
Or is there something on my end to correct SSL errors?
And I missed your info in all the other chatter.

No, there is nothing you can do about it.

Ok..well heck if I had seen you earlier this whole conversation would have been 2-3 posts.
Thanks

That I don't know. HTTPS mode is not enabled in firefox.

It is enabled in mine. When I select "Account" it takes me here:

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/home.php

And the page I am typing this on is:

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_reply.php?thread=6893&post=107425&no_quote=1#input

I am running firefox-102.3.0-6.el8_6.x86_64 that is the latest Firefox ESL release for my OS distribution:

Red Hat Enterprise Linux release 8.6 (Ootpa)

I didn't realise there's a "mode" for it. Surely your browser should go where you ask? If you type http it should not use the secure system. If you type https it will do so.

Anyway, the problem is not here, which is fully on https. It's with cosmology, which doesn't use it, but it appears his browser is trying to use what the server cannot.

Your missing what I said last night.
The main page and all other pages except for login and sign up work fine.
Well also Your Account page.

Basically anything that requires you to login goes bad.
I think the login pages are https and will not allow http?

Ah, I see. And oh shit. To test, I logged out (my browser had been left logged in for months). So I clicked log out, then log in. The log in link is only http, but it redirects (presumably at the server's request) to https. That page then gives "ERR_CONNECTION_CLOSED" which is presumably a server misconfiguration. It insists on using a protocol they haven't yet set up?

The remote system is whatever system you are trying to connect to, in this instance Cosmology@Home. What is going on here has nothing to do with how your computer is set up, nor any application configuration on your computer. The change from http to https is being done by C@H's firewall.
Every decent firewall is capable of forwarding any given port to any other port. Think in terms of moving to a new place of residence, and instructing the post office to forward your mail from the old address to the new one. Port forwarding works in much the same way: In this instance, the C@H firewall is set up to send http traffic to the https port number (port 80 is redirected to port 8080, to be more specific). Not only can a firewall do this much, but it can also send http traffic to the https port on a completely different computer.
This is nothing you have any control over, and it does not matter if you are using Boinc or your web browser to make the connection.

Excellent explanation, that clears a lot of things up.

As for the reason for the error, C@H's security certificate is expired, and so the issuing authority will no longer authenticate it. Because of this, your browser is refusing to load that page. Once upon a time, Firefox gave you a chance to accept the certificate anyway, and proceed at your own caution -- apparently no longer, but if there is a way to change Firefox's config back to the way it worked before, I haven't yet found it.

But I've had certificate expired messages in Opera before, and they clearly state there's a certificate problem. Now I'm just getting

This site can’t be reached
www.cosmologyathome.org unexpectedly closed the connection.
ERR_CONNECTION_CLOSED

With no mention of a certificate. So does that mean the rejection of the expired certificate is not done by my browser in this case, but by something in Cosmology at Home's servers or firewall?