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Message 80935 - Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 2:06:13 UTC - in response to Message 80932.  

I seem to get quite a few work units that end with "computation error" although more finish with out any problem. I am new to Rosetta so I'm just wondering if this is normal or if I should be looking for some kind of solution?

I think my error rate is less than 5% or so. Are you overclocking your CPU, or is it running hot? Do you have enough memory?
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Message 80942 - Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 20:40:48 UTC

Since December 24th I have noted that my Rosetta@home average work has been steadily dropping. Looking at it a bit further today I found the message "Rosetta Mini for Android is not available for your type of computer"

I have seen this message before sometime earlier this year and it seems to have come back again. The Rosetta server appears to have plenty of work available and my systems are all windows based.

If I shutdown and restart Boinc it will start retrieving work units again but that is a painful process to go through all the systems. These are all running Boinc version 7.6.33 and Rosetta version 3.73.

If there is a better method to keep up production please let me know. I would be willing to try testing some things if needed. Let me know if you need more information.


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Message 80943 - Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 20:49:49 UTC - in response to Message 80942.  
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...I found the message "Rosetta Mini for Android is not available for your type of computer"
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If I shutdown and restart Boinc it will start retrieving work units again...


I tend to believe it was coincidence that ending and restarting BOINC Manager led to you receiving work. Instead, I believe it was just a matter of prepared WUs being available on your next project update. But I'd be interested to hear if you've seen this occur enough times that you see a correlation.
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Message 80944 - Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 22:53:59 UTC - in response to Message 80942.  


If I shutdown and restart Boinc it will start retrieving work units again but that is a painful process to go through all the systems. These are all running Boinc version 7.6.33 and Rosetta version 3.73.

If there is a better method to keep up production please let me know.


You could use Powershell to restart the service on a number of hosts, e.g. like this.

Theoretically you should also be able to parse the output of
boinccmd --get_messages
and look for the "no work" string.

If you find it, restart the service. Use the Windows task scheduler...

PS: This message board is SLOW. Where's the new hardware?
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Message 80945 - Posted: 28 Dec 2016, 4:03:04 UTC - in response to Message 80943.  

...I found the message "Rosetta Mini for Android is not available for your type of computer"
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If I shutdown and restart Boinc it will start retrieving work units again...

I tend to believe it was coincidence that ending and restarting BOINC Manager led to you receiving work. Instead, I believe it was just a matter of prepared WUs being available on your next project update. But I'd be interested to hear if you've seen this occur enough times that you see a correlation.

I've had this message multiple times too - with the immediate 24hr deferral like last time too. The whole site is particularly unresponsive since before Christmas, with validation slightly delayed. And I also note Boincstats hasn't been able to pick up data for a few days either.

I'm not expecting this to improve until after new year. Work is coming through regularly enough, but the 24hr deferral thing has caused at least one of my team-members to run out of work. A forced update will often cure it, but only if I notice. Not all my PCs are attended.

On the plus side, Android tasks are readily available right now.
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Message 80946 - Posted: 28 Dec 2016, 5:10:21 UTC - in response to Message 80945.  

I had wondered if anyone else had noticed the 24 hour deferral along with the lack of stats site updates for the past several days.

Both of these issues surfaced in the past when there was a significant uptick in new users. I suspect something else may be the root cause this time.



I've had this message multiple times too - with the immediate 24hr deferral like last time too. The whole site is particularly unresponsive since before Christmas, with validation slightly delayed. And I also note Boincstats hasn't been able to pick up data for a few days either.

I'm not expecting this to improve until after new year. Work is coming through regularly enough, but the 24hr deferral thing has caused at least one of my team-members to run out of work. A forced update will often cure it, but only if I notice. Not all my PCs are attended.


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Message 80947 - Posted: 28 Dec 2016, 11:37:10 UTC

The site seems so slow....
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Message 80948 - Posted: 28 Dec 2016, 12:28:01 UTC - in response to Message 80946.  

I had wondered if anyone else had noticed the 24 hour deferral along with the lack of stats site updates for the past several days.

Both of these issues surfaced in the past when there was a significant uptick in new users. I suspect something else may be the root cause this time.
I've had this message multiple times too - with the immediate 24hr deferral like last time too. The whole site is particularly unresponsive since before Christmas, with validation slightly delayed. And I also note Boincstats hasn't been able to pick up data for a few days either.

I'm not expecting this to improve until after new year. Work is coming through regularly enough, but the 24hr deferral thing has caused at least one of my team-members to run out of work. A forced update will often cure it, but only if I notice. Not all my PCs are attended.

Looking at the reported credits nothing has been picked up since Christmas eve. The new users page indicates it was measured in a few hundred, not several thousand like before, so I agree it's likely something different this time.

In past years I've suggested a server reboot before the holidays just to help ensure tasks keep coming through as best they can, but didn't this year. Still, with tasks coming through, it's better than it has been before, so we'll limp along until Jan 2 or 3. Anything better will be a bonus.
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Message 80949 - Posted: 28 Dec 2016, 21:46:35 UTC

Sure seems like the server could use a kick. Site is painfully slow. At one point I had 32 tasks ready to report when its usually only had a couple on my 3770k. I'm guessing Free-DC stats is timing out when trying to pull stats. Credit is updated on My Account page but not on Free-DC. It's actually not even listed in my CPUIP page. :(
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Message 80950 - Posted: 29 Dec 2016, 16:36:51 UTC

Hi, I had 5 computation errors and 2 validation errors in the last 9 days. Is this normal? https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/results.php?userid=1202513&offset=0

last task errors is https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=893830336

2016-12-28 16:34:18:] :: BOINC :: boinc_init()
BOINC:: Setting up shared resources ... ok.
failed to create shared mem segment: minirosetta Size: 25001672

Unhandled Exception Detected...
- Unhandled Exception Record -
Reason: Access Violation (0xc0000005) at address 0x0158CAE0 write attempt to address 0x017D7EC1


another was https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=893258317

Too many restarts with no progress. Keep application in memory while preempted.
======================================================
DONE :: 0 starting structures 10177.8 cpu seconds
This process generated 0 decoys from 0 attempts
======================================================
BOINC :: WS_max 0

BOINC :: Watchdog shutting down...
BOINC :: BOINC support services shutting down cleanly ...
called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
<message>
upload failure: <file_xfer_error>
<file_name>rb_12_21_70929_114867__t000__0_C1_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_461616_167_0_0</file_name>
<error_code>-161 (not found)</error_code>
</file_xfer_error>

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Message 80997 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 4:51:02 UTC

As noted in a separate thread.

Rosetta no longer generating XML statistics files.

Last XML stats update was three weeks ago.
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Message 81006 - Posted: 12 Jan 2017, 1:54:56 UTC

Hi, is there a problem with Rosetta and Boinc for PC?

I just received this message when I turned on Boinc and enabled Rosetta:

12/01/2017 12:49:06 PM | rosetta@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
12/01/2017 12:49:06 PM | rosetta@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and AMD/ATI GPU
12/01/2017 12:49:08 PM | rosetta@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
12/01/2017 12:49:08 PM | rosetta@home | No work sent
12/01/2017 12:49:08 PM | rosetta@home | Rosetta Mini for Android is not available for your type of computer.

Umm, how will it be for Android if I am using a PC?

TIME: AEDT

Thank you
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Message 81007 - Posted: 12 Jan 2017, 2:11:01 UTC
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Getting the same issue. Won't download new work. Don't know why it thinks my windows pc is running android.
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Message 81009 - Posted: 12 Jan 2017, 6:20:58 UTC

"Rosetta Mini for Android is not available for your type of computer" is a correct statement if you're running a PC.

What I think it means to say is it's only got Android tasks - none for a PC - and they're no good for you, so it can't send you anything.
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Message 81010 - Posted: 12 Jan 2017, 8:00:01 UTC - in response to Message 81009.  

"Rosetta Mini for Android is not available for your type of computer" is a correct statement if you're running a PC.

What I think it means to say is it's only got Android tasks - none for a PC - and they're no good for you, so it can't send you anything.


Hi,
My interpretation of the statement used, is that it thinks that our client is asking for Android units while being a PC, so it will not send us units. :-)

Unless, you are correct too, but they should have put it as such. i.e. "No "units" available for your client" would have been way better :D No confusion that way.
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Message 81015 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 1:30:19 UTC - in response to Message 81010.  

My interpretation of the statement used, is that it thinks that our client is asking for Android units while being a PC, so it will not send us units. :-)

I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that, but we can all agree it's a dreadful line whatever they're trying to tell us.

Are people getting tasks through ok yet? I can see some of my unattended PCs haven't polled for a long while and it always bugs me whether it's because the PC has crashed or it's been forced into a 24-hour backoff again.
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Message 81016 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 3:59:17 UTC - in response to Message 81015.  

I haven't received new tasks for quite a while. Not so big a deal, WorldGrid is picking up the slack for now.

But of course what would be seriously nice is to get some explanation of the status of things from project folks....

My interpretation of the statement used, is that it thinks that our client is asking for Android units while being a PC, so it will not send us units. :-)

I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that, but we can all agree it's a dreadful line whatever they're trying to tell us.

Are people getting tasks through ok yet? I can see some of my unattended PCs haven't polled for a long while and it always bugs me whether it's because the PC has crashed or it's been forced into a 24-hour backoff again.

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Message 81020 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 13:34:18 UTC

Why all the WUs with super short deadlines?

I finally got some new work today (1/13). I use a 1+1 day queue. Now the Rosetta work is going into panic mode, shutting off the use of some of my graphic cards from other projects (SETI and Einstein).

More than 32 new WUs came down around 6:46PM on 1/13 and have deadlines at 6:46PM on 1/15. They are 80,000 GFLOPS and should run about 4 hours each. Running 7 threads, they will require (32/7)*4 hours to complete, which is around 20 hours to all finish.

Meanwhile, 3 of my 4 graphic cards are idle due to panic mode. Not nice.

Please assign AT LEAST 7 days to process work units.

Computer is https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=2098312
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Message 81021 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 20:19:24 UTC - in response to Message 81009.  

"Rosetta Mini for Android is not available for your type of computer" is a correct statement if you're running a PC.

What I think it means to say is it's only got Android tasks - none for a PC - and they're no good for you, so it can't send you anything.


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Message 81022 - Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 1:34:56 UTC - in response to Message 81020.  

Why all the WUs with super short deadlines?

I finally got some new work today (1/13). I use a 1+1 day queue. Now the Rosetta work is going into panic mode, shutting off the use of some of my graphic cards from other projects (SETI and Einstein).

More than 32 new WUs came down around 6:46PM on 1/13 and have deadlines at 6:46PM on 1/15. They are 80,000 GFLOPS and should run about 4 hours each. Running 7 threads, they will require (32/7)*4 hours to complete, which is around 20 hours to all finish.

Meanwhile, 3 of my 4 graphic cards are idle due to panic mode. Not nice.

Please assign AT LEAST 7 days to process work units.

Computer is https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=2098312


I've had CPU tasks get to high priority and my GPUs still ran. Multiple systems. Your GPUs tasks must require a CPU thread all to itself and thats causing the issue. Not rosetta.
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