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Message 101644 - Posted: 30 Apr 2021, 22:52:07 UTC - in response to Message 101630.  
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And, of course, while you may be more likely to die from Cancer over 20+yrs, that's compared to CV19 in 28 days. Apples v bicycles.
It doesn't matter how long it takes, I'm talking about how many people die.

There's also no way of telling if you're more or less likely to die of CV19 until after you've had it. Most people haven't had it.
Well done, most people haven't had it, so why are you worried you will?

Personally I'm not worried at all. It hasn't made any difference to me that's bothered me.
I'm not the one obsessing over how hard done by I am. That'll be you, which is why you're posting multiple messages every time you log on in order to to tell us how you are so delighted by the number of extra weak people dying all over the world.

There's also no way of telling if the vaccine you're given, which can give you the same symptoms, will stay in your forever and kill you later on.

The number of people who die after being vaccinated isn't just fewer by several orders of magnitude than the number of people who have CV19, it's also less than the rate that people die ordinarily, which is actually quite remarkable seeing as it's being given to the very oldest and most frail first.

At some point you're going to ask yourself why you're contributing to a site that's currently working toward increasing knowledge and production of several types of cures and palliatives for CV19 while simultaneously being delighted by every death as it reduces the population of the weakest and most vulnerable. I'll leave that one with you.

Irrespective of the number of people who've had CV19, if the number of people who are recorded to have died is dependent on having been tested for it too, which the majority of people haven't, then it makes no difference. So 4.4m positive tested, 152k positive tested <and> died from it, then the proportion is 1 in 29.
You're not including those that were never tested and never realised they had it. But you are including all those that got symptoms, because they saw a doctor. So your figures are biased towards pessimism.

It always amuses me how people are so desperate to hold onto their indefensible biases while conveniently forgetting parts of the argument already established. I never mentioned symptoms in that part - not part of anyone's argument. You just made something up no-one said so you could feel good about knocking it down. Hospitalisation (1 in 9.5) is only a subset of "seeing a doctor". The vast majority of those who sought medical advice were told to stay home and take paracetamol. And a subset of them went straight to death without being hospitalised or any treatment at all. Well over UK 30% of CV19 deaths never attended hospital at all according to ONS. During part of the 1st wave, the number of CV19 deaths outside hospital was the same as the number in hospital.

All of this is documented in the UK. Only an idiot would contest it. And yet here we are... stay well.
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Message 101645 - Posted: 30 Apr 2021, 23:11:32 UTC - in response to Message 101643.  

Still getting plenty of failures of the norn_struct_profile_layered_design_ Taks. Probably around a 40% failure rate at present. Tasks complete OK but then fail when trying to return the result. Although you do get Credit for it, it's only a bit over 2/3 of the Credit you get for one that's Valid.
I'm getting work for my hosts which have 8gb or more of memory. The ones with 4gb still are not getting work. The error notice has changed. It used to say that it needed 6.2gb of memory but only 3.1gb was available; now it says that it needs 3.8gb of memory but only 3.1gb is available. So a change was made, but it has no effect, probably because whoever made it didn't research how much memory is required for basic operation of a host with 4gb of RAM.

Can you check what settings you have on Options/Computing Disk & Memory tab?
If you change the amount of memory when the computer is idle to 99% it might not be sufficient right now, but when tasks are reconfigured again to to use slightly less than 3.8Gb you may find you have enough.
Note, the tasks don't actually use 3.8Gb so it's unlikely you'll have a problem while they're running, just at the point of download. Worth a try anyway.

I'm surprised these norn... tasks are reporting problems again. I thought that got fixed f(though those were file xfer errors the previous time iirc)
I'm away again until Sunday, so I'll take a proper look once I get home.
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Message 101646 - Posted: 30 Apr 2021, 23:54:01 UTC - in response to Message 101645.  
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I thought that got fixed f(though those were file xfer errors the previous time iirc)
And still the same file transfer errors; for a while there the percentage that errored out wasn't as bad, but now it's a bad as it was when they were first released.

Tasks that died within seconds of starting (pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_) are also still about, but they're probably 1% or less of what is released. 99% or so complete with no issue, so i don't consider them to be a problem (NB- although there are those that only run for a few seconds, with the same error as the ones that Error out, but are marked as Valid. Probably a similar percentage as those that Error out). But 40% or more of Tasks failing- that's a problem (and even more so when they have actually finished 8 hours of processing without issue, then die when trying to return the result).
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Message 101647 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 2:34:55 UTC - in response to Message 101645.  

change the amount of memory when the computer is idle to 99%
I did it and there was no immediate effect, but let's let it breathe for awhile and see what happens. Thanks for the tip.
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Message 101648 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 2:44:10 UTC - in response to Message 101642.  

The vaccines for COVID are mRNA based. That means that they have the genetic code for the coronavirus, but not the ability to infect cells and rewire them to churn out copies of themselves. They are UNABLE to cause COVID. They are UNABLE to replicate.
I have to amend this, as I found out just now that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is DNA based. However, the scenario that Puffer described, where a virus lays dormant for a time and then awakes after the T-cells "forget" the virus sequence, is extremely unlikely. First, it would require ALL of the latent virii to be dormant, which doesn't happen. Different virii in different location would periodically activate, refreshing the "memory." Second, the time required for the "memory" to erode is on the order of decades.

So Puffer's scenario works on paper, but not in real life.

By the way, the reason Johnson & Johnson went with a DNA-based vaccine are well-founded. There is only one shot necessary, rather than two for mRNA-based vaccines, which is a huge logistical advantage. DNA-based vaccines are also much more stable, so it's less like to "go bad" and less expensive to store and transport. And mRNA vaccines are a new technology. DNA vaccines have been around for a relatively long time and are better understood. Every shot anyone has ever had, up until COVID, has a DNA vaccine.
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Message 101649 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 2:46:41 UTC - in response to Message 101644.  

At some point you're going to ask yourself why you're contributing to a site that's currently working toward increasing knowledge and production of several types of cures and palliatives for CV19 while simultaneously being delighted by every death as it reduces the population of the weakest and most vulnerable.
This is side-splittingly hilarious! I can't wait to see how Puffer wiggles out of this latest hypocrisy.
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Message 101652 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 3:29:14 UTC - in response to Message 101648.  



I have to amend this, as I found out just now that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is DNA based. However, the scenario that Puffer described, where a virus lays dormant for a time and then awakes after the T-cells "forget" the virus sequence, is extremely unlikely. First, it would require ALL of the latent virii to be dormant, which doesn't happen. Different virii in different location would periodically activate, refreshing the "memory." Second, the time required for the "memory" to erode is on the order of decades.

So Puffer's scenario works on paper, but not in real life.


It's an argument non Science based discussions often devolve into, kind of like the comment 'why can't we just send out nuclear waste and garbage to the Sun and let it burn up' it's based on someone having no clue how the Solar System and Universe work but trying to explain that to people takes more time than just saying 'NO it doesn't work like that'.
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Message 101656 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 8:38:06 UTC - in response to Message 101647.  

change the amount of memory when the computer is idle to 99%
I did it and there was no immediate effect, but let's let it breathe for awhile and see what happens. Thanks for the tip.
You need to change the "When computer is in use, use at most" value as well, otherwise as long as you are making use of the computer for anything other than BOINC, that value will be the limiting factor.
If you are using the wbe based preferences, they need to be saved, then BOINC needs to contact the Scheduler to get the changes, then on the next request for work, the new value will be taken in to account.
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Message 101659 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 17:36:06 UTC - in response to Message 101639.  

Agreed, but imagine if guns were banned. Most of the nutters currently using them would have a lot more difficulty getting them, and have a high chance of getting caught with one before they go and use it. You'd also remove the deaths caused by kids getting hold of dad's gun he didn't lock up properly.
Then we would have the same problem England and Scotland does...people running around with machetes and whacking people to death. The US already has that with some Hispanic gangs and it's not pretty.
It's harder to kill with a knife.
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Message 101660 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 17:37:30 UTC - in response to Message 101640.  

Slowly (very, very, very slowly) things are recovering as the mis-configured Tasks make their way through the system.



WOO HOO!!!
See that little dip on the 28.5th of April? That's when I changed over to Private GFN server. 62nd place isn't good enough, I'm gonna catch you.
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Message 101661 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 17:45:40 UTC - in response to Message 101642.  

An insignificant change.
Overstating it by 30% is insignificant?
Yes, if someone says something is 5 times bigger but it turns out to be 4 times bigger, their point that it's significantly more still stands. If I say my Ferrari is 5 times faster than your Fiat, but it turns out I miscalculated and it's 4 times faster, my Ferrari is still way better than your Fiat.

More to the point, it indicates that you formed an opinion, then made up some numbers to support it, then looked for a source to support it.
Invalid conclusion. The fact is (which I've already stated) I looked up the number of annual cancer deaths somewhere a few months ago and compared it to the number of coronavirus deaths so far (which was over approximately a year). It was about 4x (could have been 3.8 to 4.2). Now I mention it a few months later, I took the same numbers, one of which has increased due to bit being just over a year, and not just under a year. But since I don't have OCD like you, I'm not concerned about a small change. I was just pointing out cancer is a lot more, making the virus utterly insignificant.

I got my information from the American Cancer Society, which is why, BTW, that I quoted USA COVID deaths. Not because I'm arrogantly American (I don't even live in the USA, you clown!), but because it was the most accurate comparison.
The most accurate comparison would be mine, over the whole world.

Cancer will stay the same until we make cures.
An ignorant statement. Cancer rates have been gradually dropping as sources of cancer are discovered in things like consumer products and eliminated. Living is easy with eyes closed, amirite?
Less people smoke. So all we've done is make people's lives miserable, not cure cancer.

There's also no way of telling if the vaccine you're given, which can give you the same symptoms, will stay in your forever and kill you later on.
Do you have any idea how immunity is formed in the human body? No, of course you don't. When you are infected with a virus for the first time, there is some hysteresis between being infected and your immune system becoming aware that the virus is a threat. During that time, the virus gets a head start, and you fall ill. The symptoms that you express are your body fighting off the infection. If you are able to do so successfully, and not die, your T cells develop a protein on their surfaces that will recognize a virally-infected cell, of the same type, if they encounter it again. The infection can still occur, but the virus loses the ability to get a head start over your immune system.

The vaccines for COVID are mRNA based. That means that they have the genetic code for the coronavirus, but not the ability to infect cells and rewire them to churn out copies of themselves. They are UNABLE to cause COVID. They are UNABLE to replicate. They do, however, trigger an immune system response, which is why there can be symptoms. Eventually, they disintegrate.
If I feel like I have the flu, I'm ill, end of story. I'm not going to do that to myself on purpose. It's obviously harming me. Putting unnatural things inside you is always a bad idea. Why do you think people prefer to eat natural ingredients?
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Message 101662 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 17:51:49 UTC - in response to Message 101644.  
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There's also no way of telling if you're more or less likely to die of CV19 until after you've had it. Most people haven't had it.
Well done, most people haven't had it, so why are you worried you will?
Personally I'm not worried at all. It hasn't made any difference to me that's bothered me.
I'm not the one obsessing over how hard done by I am. That'll be you, which is why you're posting multiple messages every time you log on in order to to tell us how you are so delighted by the number of extra weak people dying all over the world.
You're not worried by half the world closing down unnecessarily and businesses going bankrupt left right and centre?

And I'm not sad enough to be on here all the time, which is why I post once a day.

There's also no way of telling if the vaccine you're given, which can give you the same symptoms, will stay in your forever and kill you later on.

The number of people who die after being vaccinated isn't just fewer by several orders of magnitude than the number of people who have CV19, it's also less than the rate that people die ordinarily, which is actually quite remarkable seeing as it's being given to the very oldest and most frail first.
It might kill you after 2 years.

At some point you're going to ask yourself why you're contributing to a site that's currently working toward increasing knowledge and production of several types of cures and palliatives for CV19 while simultaneously being delighted by every death as it reduces the population of the weakest and most vulnerable. I'll leave that one with you.
They find useful things too. A new painkiller was developed while people wasted their time on what's effectively a bad flu virus.

Irrespective of the number of people who've had CV19, if the number of people who are recorded to have died is dependent on having been tested for it too, which the majority of people haven't, then it makes no difference. So 4.4m positive tested, 152k positive tested <and> died from it, then the proportion is 1 in 29.
You're not including those that were never tested and never realised they had it. But you are including all those that got symptoms, because they saw a doctor. So your figures are biased towards pessimism.
It always amuses me how people are so desperate to hold onto their indefensible biases while conveniently forgetting parts of the argument already established. I never mentioned symptoms in that part - not part of anyone's argument.
You said "So 4.4m positive tested, 152k positive tested <and> died from it, then the proportion is 1 in 29." You're giving the ratio of the number of dead people to the number of people who survived it AND were in hospital. You need to include the ones that didn't get symptoms, or got small symptoms and didn't bother telling anyone. That shrinks your ratio significantly.
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Message 101663 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 17:56:14 UTC - in response to Message 101652.  
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It's an argument non Science based discussions often devolve into, kind of like the comment 'why can't we just send out nuclear waste and garbage to the Sun and let it burn up' it's based on someone having no clue how the Solar System and Universe work but trying to explain that to people takes more time than just saying 'NO it doesn't work like that'.
Actually there's no reason you couldn't (apart from expense, and risk of the rocket failing and it landing back on earth in pieces). Do you really think the radiation would get back here? Do you really think the sun (which is an extreme nuclear power station) would notice?
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Message 101664 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 21:20:40 UTC - in response to Message 101663.  
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Actually there's no reason you couldn't (apart from expense, and risk of the rocket failing and it landing back on earth in pieces).
Well, Huffer, I see that you've decided to don the red nose and the big floppy shoes again. There IS a reason, and it's called "orbital mechanics." The amount of thrust required to shoot it into the sun would be prohibitive. I'm not going to bother explaining it to you. Google it -- something that you could have done prior to making yourself look foolish (again), if you weren't so arrogantly certain about your understanding and knowledge.

Do you really think the sun (which is an extreme nuclear power station) would notice?
So, you also don't understand that the source of the sun's power is fusion, not fission? Add that to the list.
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Message 101666 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 21:45:10 UTC - in response to Message 101659.  

Agreed, but imagine if guns were banned. Most of the nutters currently using them would have a lot more difficulty getting them, and have a high chance of getting caught with one before they go and use it. You'd also remove the deaths caused by kids getting hold of dad's gun he didn't lock up properly.
Then we would have the same problem England and Scotland does...people running around with machetes and whacking people to death. The US already has that with some Hispanic gangs and it's not pretty.


It's harder to kill with a knife.


Not exactly the point if they stab you 50 times, but it does mean it also takes longer to die and more suffering in the process
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Message 101667 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 21:46:30 UTC - in response to Message 101661.  

The most accurate comparison would be mine, over the whole world.
The most accurate comparison would be 2020 COVID stats compared to 2012 cancer stats from tinfoilhat.com, rather than 2020 cancer stats from the American CANCER society. Why? BECAUSE HUFFER HAS SPOKEN

Less people smoke. So all we've done is make people's lives miserable, not cure cancer.
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed, and I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because this statement of yours gave me cancer anyway.

If I feel like I have the flu, I'm ill, end of story.
You would be having an immune system response. Feel free to continue making up your own definitions for things and changing the subject when you get called out for saying something wrong. I realize that your ego won't have it any other way.

I'm not going to do that to myself on purpose.
My, you ARE a delicate little flower, aren't you? "Horrid side effects" -- and you mock others as weak?
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Message 101668 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 21:53:27 UTC - in response to Message 101663.  

It's an argument non Science based discussions often devolve into, kind of like the comment 'why can't we just send out nuclear waste and garbage to the Sun and let it burn up' it's based on someone having no clue how the Solar System and Universe work but trying to explain that to people takes more time than just saying 'NO it doesn't work like that'.


Actually there's no reason you couldn't (apart from expense, and risk of the rocket failing and it landing back on earth in pieces). Do you really think the radiation would get back here? Do you really think the sun (which is an extreme nuclear power station) would notice?


Peter please try using Google for more than virus related stuff....one it's too far away and the chance of it getting hit and coming back is too great and two if there's a problem and it has to be destroyed then there's going to be radiation spilled from where it was launched all the way across the Earth, think Chernobyl on a MASSIVE scale!! Today they just bury it and hopefully our million ancestor will figure out a way to deal with it.
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Message 101670 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 22:58:57 UTC - in response to Message 101656.  

You need to change the "When computer is in use, use at most" value as well
Yeah, did that at the same time. It is working now on one host, but apparently not the other, which I will check on Monday.
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Message 101671 - Posted: 1 May 2021, 23:30:53 UTC - in response to Message 101670.  

You need to change the "When computer is in use, use at most" value as well
Yeah, did that at the same time. It is working now on one host, but apparently not the other, which I will check on Monday.
Check for local settings, as they override Web based ones.
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Message 101676 - Posted: 2 May 2021, 2:57:43 UTC - in response to Message 101646.  

I thought that got fixed (though those were file xfer errors the previous time iirc)
And still the same file transfer errors; for a while there the percentage that errored out wasn't as bad, but now it's a bad as it was when they were first released.

Tasks that died within seconds of starting (pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_) are also still about, but they're probably 1% or less of what is released. 99% or so complete with no issue, so i don't consider them to be a problem (NB- although there are those that only run for a few seconds, with the same error as the ones that Error out, but are marked as Valid. Probably a similar percentage as those that Error out). But 40% or more of Tasks failing- that's a problem (and even more so when they have actually finished 8 hours of processing without issue, then die when trying to return the result).

I'm quite prepared to to report it just on your say-so, but I'll try to see exactly what mine are saying so I can describe it properly.
As I think I've mentioned to you, these norn tasks are produced by the guy I'm talking to, so he'll confirm itfix it pretty rapidly once I get my act together.
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