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Message 108062 - Posted: 17 Feb 2023, 23:52:44 UTC

20 of 88 have crashed. But they crash quickly so don't waste much time.
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Message 108063 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 13:18:49 UTC

Yup , the "fix test" that needs fixed don't take long to crash ;-)

Name - fix_test_S_00002_00011201_af2_SAVE_ALL_OUT_2938596_724
State - Computation error
CPU time - 00:00:08
Elapsed time - 00:00:24
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Message 108064 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 14:48:36 UTC
Last modified: 18 Feb 2023, 14:51:35 UTC

I know Guys, this have been already reported to the People in Charge. But i still dont receive any Tasks for Rossetta@Home.
Im running SiDock@Home in the Meantime im not sure what causes it, or what i should do. Is there a Fix maybe to overwrite the Settings in Rossetta Directory?
Any Help will be much appreciated. I´ve posted that issue a While ago, after the Post i surprisingly received 8 new Tasks - completed them and its Silence again...
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Message 108065 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 16:34:50 UTC - in response to Message 108064.  

I know Guys, this have been already reported to the People in Charge. But i still dont receive any Tasks for Rossetta@Home.
Im running SiDock@Home in the Meantime im not sure what causes it, or what i should do. Is there a Fix maybe to overwrite the Settings in Rossetta Directory?
Any Help will be much appreciated. I´ve posted that issue a While ago, after the Post i surprisingly received 8 new Tasks - completed them and its Silence again...
Have you tried resetting the project? Or even detaching it and adding it again fresh?
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Message 108066 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 16:54:19 UTC - in response to Message 108064.  

They had some problems with latest batch of tasks, and cancelled them.
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Message 108067 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 17:51:29 UTC

On Feb 16, I finally got the following to download. I did not do anything to cause this, but that means that as soon as the server has some tasks for me. I should get some.

(app_config.xml is one of mine.)

[/var/lib/boinc/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta]$ ls -l
total 739224
-rw-r--r--. 1 boinc boinc        83 Nov 23 18:41 app_config.xml
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 boinc boinc 507570722 Feb 16 15:38 database_357d5d93529_n_methyl.zip
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 boinc boinc    352308 Feb 16 15:38 LiberationSans-Regular.ttf
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 boinc boinc 125232600 Feb 16 15:38 rosetta_4.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 boinc boinc 123794008 Feb 16 16:10 rosetta_graphics_4.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

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Message 108068 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 17:56:41 UTC

Jean-David, I see you're using Linux. I've just installed Linux in a virtual machine (the only way I can get CPDN tasks). How on earth do you do a simple task like editing Boinc's cc_config.xml?! It won't let me! I don't have permission to edit a file for an application I installed on my own machine! I eventually had to find a way (which everyone said oh no you'll cause a nuclear war) to log on as root. I've been doing that in Windows for 30 years, and nothing ever broke. Why is Linux such a mess?
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Message 108069 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 17:57:57 UTC - in response to Message 108068.  
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Try to use sudo instead of logging in as root.
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Message 108070 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 18:02:35 UTC - in response to Message 108069.  
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Try to use sudo.
Been there, done that. That's a command line text editor! There's no GUI in it! UGH! I thought Linux had become GUI like Windows. I was using Windows Notepad in 1991! I want to use a basic program like Mousepad. Sorted now, I break the rules, I'm a bad boy, I always log on as root so I can do what I like WITH MY OWN PROPERTY. Just like I don't have a padlock on every single door inside my own house.
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Message 108071 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 18:03:46 UTC - in response to Message 108070.  
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Try to run sudo mousepad.
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Message 108072 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 18:17:55 UTC - in response to Message 108071.  
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Try to run sudo mousepad.
I shouldn't have to, everything should be in the menu where it belongs, this is a GUI not DOS. I'm happy running as root, screw the rules. There should be an option somewhere to just switch off all security. It's my computer, nobody else can get to it.
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Message 108073 - Posted: 18 Feb 2023, 21:40:13 UTC
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I have had my fill with "enter password" again and again this last month ,
In Linux mint 20,2 you can type :-
sudo nemo (enter password)

password is your normal `user` password
You may have to wait a minit or so till the system lets you in ,
nemo is the gui file manager for mint
Or whatever simple file manager for your Linux distro
This will open nemo file manager with a red bar across the top with with the words "Elevated Privaleges" in it
Then you can go screw with your system in a few mouse clicks ;-)
I know this works because I recently built a system using mint and could not place my app_config.xml in the Milkyway project folder "paste" was grayed out , though eventualy remembered how to do it .
To edit a txt/xml file after `search` for it , like cc_config.xml , click on it [enter password] then go play with it , had to do quite a bit of `bang-head-on-screen-till-it-works` stuff lately and its an old CRT , those things are hard ..
unless I have typo`ed what I just wrote :-)
Over 20 years ago when I first found Linux [and found it near impossible to use = still got the Red Hat 5 cd] it was easy to always run as root/administrator , these days it is considered bad practice and `not safe` to do so , spoilsports . . . .

edited several times so not to look like an 1D10T
and for bad spelling
one time my spell casting got so bad I turned a Prince into a musician instead of a frog
I`le let the readers work that one out for them self .
[shop floor humour for witches] with or without pentagram .
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Message 108074 - Posted: 19 Feb 2023, 0:23:39 UTC - in response to Message 108073.  

I have had my fill with "enter password" again and again this last month ,
In Linux mint 20,2 you can type :-
sudo nemo (enter password)

password is your normal `user` password
You may have to wait a minit or so till the system lets you in ,
nemo is the gui file manager for mint
Or whatever simple file manager for your Linux distro
This will open nemo file manager with a red bar across the top with with the words "Elevated Privaleges" in it
Then you can go screw with your system in a few mouse clicks ;-)
Or just use Windows and not have these problems. If it's a problem of money, did you know 57% of Windows systems worldwide (including 18% in the USA) are pirated?

I know this works because I recently built a system using mint and could not place my app_config.xml in the Milkyway project folder "paste" was grayed out , though eventualy remembered how to do it .
To edit a txt/xml file after `search` for it , like cc_config.xml , click on it [enter password] then go play with it , had to do quite a bit of `bang-head-on-screen-till-it-works` stuff lately and its an old CRT , those things are hard ..
Better than an LCD, which you might damage irrepairably.

unless I have typo`ed what I just wrote :-)
Over 20 years ago when I first found Linux [and found it near impossible to use = still got the Red Hat 5 cd] it was easy to always run as root/administrator , these days it is considered bad practice and `not safe` to do so , spoilsports . . . .
In Windows most of us are admins, and funnily enough the systems don't get destroyed. I found out how to log in as root and always do so. Not sure how to automatically do that though. Do you? I'd like to know. Mine boots up and logs in without asking for a password to "peter", initial account I made when installing it. I can then log out and select "other" as the user, type "root" as the user and enter the password, and that lasts until the next reboot. But I'd rather it auto logged in as root.

edited several times so not to look like an 1D10T
and for bad spelling
one time my spell casting got so bad I turned a Prince into a musician instead of a frog
I`le let the readers work that one out for them self .
[shop floor humour for witches] with or without pentagram .
Isn't a musician more useful than a frog? Or were you trying to punish him?
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Message 108075 - Posted: 19 Feb 2023, 0:50:51 UTC - in response to Message 108068.  
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Jean-David, I see you're using Linux. I've just installed Linux in a virtual machine (the only way I can get CPDN tasks). How on earth do you do a simple task like editing Boinc's cc_config.xml?! It won't let me! I don't have permission to edit a file for an application I installed on my own machine! I eventually had to find a way (which everyone said oh no you'll cause a nuclear war) to log on as root. I've been doing that in Windows for 30 years, and nothing ever broke. Why is Linux such a mess?


I login as myself for my normal use of this machine.

I started programming on an IBM 704 computer in the mid 1960s. I got very proficient at running an IBM 026 card punch. But it had only 32768 words of memory and no operating system. Later on I used the MIT Automatic Operator Program, the FORTRAN MONITOR SYSTEM (FMS) andthen BE-SYS4. And one thing lead to another. When I had to use UNIX for something, I absolutely hated it: It was almost impossible to run it to do real-time process control. Not really Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie's fault: they did not design it for that. (So I had to write my own OS, but that's another story.) For the kind of work I do these days UNIX would be just fine, though I happen to use
Red Hat Enterprise Linux release 8.7 (Ootpa)
with the
4.18.0-425.10.1.el8_7.x86_64 kernel.
I do not think it is a mess.

For a simple task like editing one of the cc_config.xml files, I open a Linux terminal (I select it from
Applications->Favorites->Terminal and run like this:


localhost:jeandavid8[~]$ cd /var/lib/boinc/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/
localhost:jeandavid8[/var/lib/boinc/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta]$ su
Password: 
localhost:root[/var/lib/boinc/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta]# vi app_config.xml 
<app_config>
    <project_max_concurrent>3</project_max_concurrent>
</app_config>
:q
localhost:root[/var/lib/boinc/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta]# 


While in the vi editor, I could make any changes I need.
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Message 108076 - Posted: 19 Feb 2023, 1:11:00 UTC - in response to Message 108075.  
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I do not think it is a mess.

For a simple task like editing one of the cc_config.xml files, I open a Linux terminal (I select it from
Applications->Favorites->Terminal and run like this:


localhost:jeandavid8[~]$ cd /var/lib/boinc/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/
localhost:jeandavid8[/var/lib/boinc/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta]$ su
Password: 
localhost:root[/var/lib/boinc/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta]# vi app_config.xml 
<app_config>
    <project_max_concurrent>3</project_max_concurrent>
</app_config>
:q
localhost:root[/var/lib/boinc/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta]# 


While in the vi editor, I could make any changes I need.
Wow. In Windows, I just double click the file. Time how long it takes for you to get into that file and make a small change. Now imagine being able to do that in seconds.

What Linux should do (if it insists on protecting a file in an app YOU installed) is let you double click the file in Mousepad or whatever, then when you save it, prompt you for admin permission and require the password. However, since YOU installed it under your usual user account, you should have full permissions on every file in that app under that same account.
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Message 108077 - Posted: 19 Feb 2023, 2:01:02 UTC - in response to Message 108076.  

Wow. In Windows, I just double click the file. Time how long it takes for you to get into that file and make a small change. Now imagine being able to do that in seconds.


For something I do only once every few months at most, I do what I said, because it is easier.

I can do it all with a mouse if I insist.

Click on icon at top left of the screen.
Select OtherLocations
Select Computer
Select var
Select lib
Select boinc
Select projects
Select boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta
Select app_config.xml
Browse to tell it what editor to use. vi is not one of the choices.

That is why I do not do it that way.

In Windows 10 it is so difficult to find the file in question that I find it a mess to use.
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Message 108078 - Posted: 19 Feb 2023, 3:02:46 UTC - in response to Message 108077.  

For something I do only once every few months at most
I change a Boinc config every other day. Boinc needs constant nursing.

I do what I said, because it is easier.

I can do it all with a mouse if I insist.

Click on icon at top left of the screen.
Select OtherLocations
Select Computer
In Windows all that would just be "press WIN-E"

Select var
Select lib
Select boinc
Select projects
Select boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta
Select app_config.xml
In windows Boinc is a commonly used folder, automatically. I just click it in the top 10 most recently used.

Browse to tell it what editor to use. vi is not one of the choices.
I just double click it. Notepad is perfectly fine at editing xml. I could have another as default.
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Message 108080 - Posted: 19 Feb 2023, 13:56:31 UTC

Oh!
3.2m tasks queued up
Good
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Message 108081 - Posted: 19 Feb 2023, 15:57:12 UTC
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[Pushes oversized lever to engage processing]
https://youtu.be/27Wzz-2X_v4?t=44
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Message 108082 - Posted: 19 Feb 2023, 18:14:02 UTC - in response to Message 108067.  

On Feb 16, I finally got the following to download. I did not do anything to cause this, but that means that as soon as the server has some tasks for me. I should get some.


I got a bunch overnight and three of them are already running.

    PID    PPID USER      PR  NI S    RES  %MEM  %CPU  P     TIME+ COMMAND                                                            
  85474    4932 boinc     39  19 R 324404   0.5  98.8  3 320:20.08 ../../projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/rosetta_4.20_x86_64-pc-+ 
  86661    4932 boinc     39  19 R 318656   0.5  99.1  6 303:30.00 ../../projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/rosetta_4.20_x86_64-pc-+ 
  86815    4932 boinc     39  19 R 317856   0.5  99.2  5 301:23.59 ../../projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/rosetta_4.20_x86_64-pc-+ 
  97768    4932 boinc     39  19 R 213900   0.3  98.8 11 168:02.96 ../../projects/einstein.phys.uwm.edu/einsteinbinary_BRP4G_1.33_x8+

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