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Message 107232 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 1:33:01 UTC - in response to Message 107231.  

I'll see about talking our Rosetta@Home team tomorrow. Sorry for the delay on this.
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Message 107233 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 2:35:42 UTC - in response to Message 107232.  

Good news, as I'm tired of reading posts from this Pompous Arse and his perfect English!
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Message 107234 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 4:18:34 UTC - in response to Message 107214.  
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@Peter the Huckster

If I bought a Ferrari, I sure wouldn't be running around telling everyone that I bought "a car", but what has that got to do with any of this? Nada.

As for the rest of your AHD-driven post, by all means continue to perpetuate the errors that "people" make. I really don't care anymore, but on a technical board you could at least demonstrate that you know a bit more than the average computer user.
Wow, you actually admit you would say "Ferrari" and not "car", yet you would call you NVME an "SSD"? You really haven't grasped this simple concept at all. And BTW nada isn't a word in English. Maybe you meant nothing.


Was that all addressed to me?

I have always admitted that I know little more than the average computer user.
That's why I ask you guys for advice.
If you didn't care anymore, why did you bother with the above response?

I fail to grasp the relevance of your references to Ferraris and cars. Another example of my obtuseness?

And BTW, "nada" is a Spanish word, but in common use in the Western world. Most people understand its meaning.

S. Gaber


Ah. Now I realize your tirade was directed to another BOINCer you consider beneath your erudite stature. Sorry.

As for your critique on American English, it's obvious that you do not understand how languages work. They evolve. Isolation causes change. How do you think the English language came to be? It incorporates words, phrases and idioms from many other languages. Latin, Greek, French, German, Spanish. That's what makes it universal.

Despite your ethnocentric comment that American English is English spoken badly, the fact is that your English, my English and that of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and about half of the rest of the world are mutually comprehensible. Each has its own pronunciation and colloquialisms, but it is basically the same language.

It changes all the time, regardless of whether you like it or not.

You may look down on American English, but would you also disparage the English spoken by Australians, South Africans, residents of Caribbean countries, all of who claim English to be their native tongue, each spoken uniquely?

I admit that my knowledge of computers and the intricacies of BOINC are sorely lacking. But I assure you that I can speak and write in English at least as proficiently as you can., although peppered with occasional Americanisms. And I have never sued anybody.

You said you were part Swedish. I was in Sweden. Almost everybody there spoke English. This is also true in the rest of Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Belgium, the Baltic states, etc. It is primarily people like you and the French who are so snobby about their language. How quaint!

I have a British friend who always brags about British English being the "mother tongue." But he cannot spell his mother tongue better than a fourth-grade student..

BTW, all my BOINC projects, including Rosetta, are running fine now, except for the long list of Rosetta tasks waiting for validation.

S. Gaber



As is typical of some Brits. It's "Queens" English or nothing.
Well sorry to say, there are many flavors of English and as an American with international friends and living in Belgium, English here in the EU is a mix of all flavors. American, Bad East Block, French version and even German version. Then we can get into those less educated that learned it from comparing English shows (US and UK) with subtitles to compare to the English. So there is no "true" single correct version of English. Also UK English uses many different terms than other flavors of English and the same for US English. Typically the English I get around Belgium is a blend of both, but typically favoring US because of TV influence and social media. There is no "pure" English anymore except for text books of each country.


Quite true.

Even the Scottish phrases The Huckster disparages were not from the language of their ancestors nor of the pre-Saxon residents of Britain.

Modern media -- TV and radio-- have homogenized the English language beyond what people 300 years ago would recognize.

Taylor Island and Smith Island, in the middle of Chesapeake Bay within the state of Maryland were settled by British people around 1608. They spoke the Elizabethan English of their period. Being isolated islands with little connection to the mainland, these farmers and fishermen had no access to TV until the 1960s. As a result of their isolation, the 20th century residents of those islands spoke the closest thing to Elizabethan English found anywhere in the world. There are recordings of them speaking so you can hear when it sounded like.

But, now, access to TV and radio has caused that form of the language to disappear. People speaking today sound pretty much like other American living in Maryland and Virginia, although their way of life is disappearing. .Also, the islands themselves are disappearing, eroding away due to sea level rise. The would survive another 50 years.

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Message 107235 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 4:34:31 UTC - in response to Message 107233.  

Good news, as I'm tired of reading posts from this Pompous Arse and his perfect English!
At least you spelt arse correctly. I'm tired of Americans confusing buttocks with donkeys.
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Message 107236 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 4:40:16 UTC - in response to Message 107234.  

Even the Scottish phrases The Huckster disparages were not from the language of their ancestors nor of the pre-Saxon residents of Britain.
Neither do you speak like the amoebas you evolved from, what's your point?

Modern media -- TV and radio-- have homogenized the English language beyond what people 300 years ago would recognize.
I guess that's why I keep saying I guess.

Taylor Island and Smith Island, in the middle of Chesapeake Bay within the state of Maryland were settled by British people around 1608. They spoke the Elizabethan English of their period. Being isolated islands with little connection to the mainland, these farmers and fishermen had no access to TV until the 1960s. As a result of their isolation, the 20th century residents of those islands spoke the closest thing to Elizabethan English found anywhere in the world. There are recordings of them speaking so you can hear when it sounded like.
I cannot locate these recordings, do you have a link?
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Message 107238 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 9:24:17 UTC - in response to Message 107219.  

As for your critique on American English, it's obvious that you do not understand how languages work. They evolve. Isolation causes change. How do you think the English language came to be? It incorporates words, phrases and idioms from many other languages. Latin, Greek, French, German, Spanish. That's what makes it universal.
America just failed to evolve. <<-- says who? You?

Despite your ethnocentric comment that American English is English spoken badly, the fact is that your English, my English and that of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and about half of the rest of the world are mutually comprehensible. Each has its own pronunciation and colloquialisms, but it is basically the same language.
Comprehensible but annoying. And when you start making words up like sidewalk, somebody has to use google. <--- Well take Dutch then literally translated foot path, but then to use some stuff from UK English...boot? really? That's what you put on your feet. Fortnight? Two weeks is more clear. And I have to say some of the UK dialects really take some concentration to figure out what they are saying.

It changes all the time, regardless of whether you like it or not.
It changes too slowly. There are a lot of things in English that should be simplified. Remove the word fewer for example, or at least be consistant and also have severaler. And why do Americans say gotten instead of got? <<---Its a US thing. Pretty sure there are some things in UK English that are equally strange.

You may look down on American English,
Mainly I look down on Americans, they're world famous for being a bit thick. And I cannot stand to watch a video on Youtube explaining how to fix something when instead of saying "tighten the screw" he says "now what you're gonna wanna do next is tighten the screw". Do they just like the sound of their own voice? It's a part of our language style? Why do you guys always say Thank You, Thank you very much all the time? Just stick with one thank you or just one thank you very much. How about all the 'Bye' you say before hanging up?

but would you also disparage the English spoken by Australians, South Africans, residents of Caribbean countries, all of who claim English to be their native tongue, each spoken uniquely?
No, because they're nowhere near as ridiculous.

I admit that my knowledge of computers and the intricacies of BOINC are sorely lacking. But I assure you that I can speak and write in English at least as proficiently as you can., although peppered with occasional Americanisms.

And I have never sued anybody.
Then you're not a real American. Do you do that swear allegiance to god and the united states crap? <<-- You swear allegiance to the flag, not to the president, not to the king. We use 'In God we Trust' on the money, not any monarch or president. When being sworn in court, it is 'So help me God' You have to answer to God on these matters. God Bless the United States when used by a politician is the most stupid thing they could say. It's a catch phrase. They don't mean it. It sounds good.

You said you were part Swedish. I was in Sweden. Almost everybody there spoke English.
Indeed, m'colleague was an English teacher in Sweden. Maybe you met all his pupils! Just goes to show the whole world is converging on one language.

This is also true in the rest of Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Belgium, the Baltic states, etc. It is primarily people like you and the French who are so snobby about their language. How quaint!
You can't call French a language when they say things like "le weekend" and "le fast food". <<-- Because English is invading their language by the younger generation. Same here in Belgium and Netherlands, heavy English influence in the language. But the base language still exists and is used.

I have a British friend who always brags about British English being the "mother tongue." But he cannot spell his mother tongue better than a fourth-grade student..
He is correct though, we had it first. Your lot are descended from people who ran away to steal land from American Indians. https://youtu.be/p4zR9r9olOg
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Message 107239 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 9:26:02 UTC - in response to Message 107235.  

Good news, as I'm tired of reading posts from this Pompous Arse and his perfect English!
At least you spelt arse correctly. I'm tired of Americans confusing buttocks with donkeys.



LMAO, an ass vs an ass. But both have a hole. Or right and right and write?
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Message 107240 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 17:45:19 UTC - in response to Message 107226.  

"Workunits waiting for validation: 1607599"

I guess we'll have to wait after Thanksgiving.
I had to look up what that was. It's in November?

Ah, Thanksgiving day is today where I live. Second Monday of October.
I'm going to assume there is no holiday today where Rosetta is based at.
Odd, from Google it's some kind of thanks for a harvest, I thought it would be fairly fixed (Like Easter, first Sunday in the month or whatever it is).

Here we are, USA/Canada November 24: https://www.calendar-12.com/holidays/thanksgiving/2022

It's celebrated in other countries?

Hang on, aren't you Canadian?


Yes, I'm in Ontario, Canada. Thanksgiving is the second Monday every October here.
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Message 107241 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 18:17:12 UTC - in response to Message 107238.  

<<-- says who? You?

Says the entire internet. Just look up IQs, youtube videos of idiots, etc.

<--- Well take Dutch then literally translated foot path,

Better than sidewalk, but not distinguishable from one nowhere near a road.

but then to use some stuff from UK English...boot? really? That's what you put on your feet.

Trunk? Really? Elephants use those.

Fortnight? Two weeks is more clear. And I have to say some of the UK dialects really take some concentration to figure out what they are saying.

Thanks for confirming you can't count to fourteen in the USA.

<<---Its a US thing. Pretty sure there are some things in UK English that are equally strange.

Americans don't actually know. Some say gotten is *instead* of got, and some say it's past historic or something, and they use got and gotten in different contexts.

It's a part of our language style?

To triple the words needed? I was trying to open a laptop! I don't want waffle!

Why do you guys always say Thank You, Thank you very much all the time? Just stick with one thank you or just one thank you very much. How about all the 'Bye' you say before hanging up?

I say "thanks". I say "bye". Never heard longer versions like you mention, unless perhaps someone had just been given a million pounds.

<<-- You swear allegiance to the flag, not to the president, not to the king.

Allegiance to a piece of cloth, it gets better and better.

We use 'In God we Trust' on the money, not any monarch or president.

I prefer real beings that actually exist. This is another reason the world looks down on America, the high percentage of deeply religious nuts. Most christian countries are giving up on religion, it's just the extremists like muslims that continue to take it seriously.

When being sworn in court, it is 'So help me God' You have to answer to God on these matters.

Courts are way behind in everything, it wasn't long ago they stopped using Latin. I wonder what would happen if you refused to swear on the bible in court on the grounds you're an atheist? I wouldn't like to try it. Maybe if I'm nothing to do with a case and just a witness who doesn't mind pissing off the judge.

God Bless the United States when used by a politician is the most stupid thing they could say. It's a catch phrase. They don't mean it. It sounds good.

We don't say "god bless". We sometimes say "for god's sake" without meaning it, since the only other alternative is "for fuck's sake".

<<-- Because English is invading their language by the younger generation. Same here in Belgium and Netherlands, heavy English influence in the language. But the base language still exists and is used.

I can understand that but not why they don't just use the existing French words for fast and food so vite aliments. ARGH! I tried to get that from my Google Home, and it spoke with an American accent in French! Couldn't understand a word! It normally talks to me with an English accent.
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Message 107242 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 18:20:10 UTC - in response to Message 107239.  

LMAO,
You laughed your donkey off?

an ass vs an ass. But both have a hole.
One has more holes.

But what's funnier is you refer to entire people as ass - even when not being rude. For example "get your ass over here". What about the rest of them? Yes ok, Americans are mainly ass because they eat so much.

Or right and right and write?
That is silly, but at least we differentiate an animal from a body part.
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Message 107243 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 18:22:18 UTC - in response to Message 107240.  
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Here we are, USA/Canada November 24: https://www.calendar-12.com/holidays/thanksgiving/2022

It's celebrated in other countries?

Hang on, aren't you Canadian?
Yes, I'm in Ontario, Canada. Thanksgiving is the second Monday every October here.
Oops I missed a part of that page saying you're earlier, should have asked my Google Home, it got it right. So you have an earlier harvest despite being further North? Maybe the yanks ate the first one and had to start again.

Your name is in English and Chinese, do you consider yourself Canadian?
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Message 107244 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 19:23:15 UTC

It is impossible to call English pure, it is and always has been a cacophony of other languages. It isn't even the native language of England.
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Message 107245 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 19:48:57 UTC - in response to Message 107244.  

It is impossible to call English pure, it is and always has been a cacophony of other languages. It isn't even the native language of England.
I can't call cottage cheese pure either since it has preservative in it, but if I poured in engine oil I'd dislike it.
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Message 107246 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 19:50:07 UTC - in response to Message 107244.  
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It is impossible to call English pure, it is and always has been a cacophony of other languages. It isn't even the native language of England.



Not quite accurate:

Official native languages

English is spoken across the UK, but it is not the only native official language. You may also hear:

Welsh in Wales
Gaelic and Scots in Scotland
Irish and Ulster Scots in Northern Ireland
Cornish in Cornwall, England

https://study-uk.britishcouncil.org/why-study/about-uk/language

Or more specific from wiki:
The de facto official language of the United Kingdom is English, which is spoken by approximately 59.8 million residents, or 98% of the population, over the age of three. (According to 2011 census data, 864,000 people in England and Wales reported speaking little or no English) An estimated 900,000 people speak Welsh in the UK, an official language in Wales[19] and the only de jure official language in any part of the UK. Approximately 124,000 people speak Irish in Northern Ireland, the second most spoken language after English. In May 2022, the British Government pledged to implement an Irish language act in Northern Ireland, which would give Irish equal status to English, similar to the Welsh language act in Wales.
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Message 107247 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 19:54:41 UTC - in response to Message 107246.  
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It is impossible to call English pure, it is and always has been a cacophony of other languages. It isn't even the native language of England.
Not quite accurate:

Official native languages

English is spoken across the UK, but it is not the only native official language. You may also hear:

Welsh in Wales
Gaelic and Scots in Scotland
Irish and Ulster Scots in Northern Ireland
Cornish in Cornwall, England
Only a small minority of patriotic fools speak those dated languages. But for some reason they put it on road signs in some parts of the country. I have therefore learned the most important words in Welsh for speed camera, police, and slow. Mind you that arsehole Brunstrom has retired now.
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Message 107248 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 19:55:00 UTC - in response to Message 107245.  

It is impossible to call English pure, it is and always has been a cacophony of other languages. It isn't even the native language of England.
I can't call cottage cheese pure either since it has preservative in it, but if I poured in engine oil I'd dislike it.



Pretty good analogy, look at this confusing description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language
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Message 107249 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 19:57:33 UTC - in response to Message 107248.  

Pretty good analogy, look at this confusing description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language
Bring back the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire
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Message 107251 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 22:25:40 UTC

Hey guys is there anyway you can stop hijacking this thread and instead use it for what is is meant for? eg "Problems and technical issues with Rosetta@home".

By writing pages and pages of replies not related to supporting Rosetta, you actually make it far more difficult for those trying to get help, or those trying to help others.

Clearly everyone that speaks English has a view on this language, and how it is used; however this support thread is obviously not the place to have that discussion.
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Message 107253 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 22:41:29 UTC - in response to Message 107251.  

Hey guys is there anyway you can stop hijacking this thread and instead use it for what is is meant for? eg "Problems and technical issues with Rosetta@home".

By writing pages and pages of replies not related to supporting Rosetta, you actually make it far more difficult for those trying to get help, or those trying to help others.

Clearly everyone that speaks English has a view on this language, and how it is used; however this support thread is obviously not the place to have that discussion.
Ok, everyone can reply with off topic stuff in this thread I made in the cafe. https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=15073
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Message 107256 - Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 23:32:56 UTC

Does the tiny increase in the number of work units "awaiting assimilation" mean that at least some of the backlog is getting validated?
Or does it simply mean we are getting a bit closer to Borg assimilation?
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