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Message 106820 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 18:43:15 UTC - in response to Message 106819.  

If you set it to finish and it finishes work and pauses it will forget that it was paused on reboot. You have to press pause button to make it remember.
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Message 106821 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 18:58:42 UTC - in response to Message 106820.  

If you set it to finish and it finishes work and pauses it will forget that it was paused on reboot. You have to press pause button to make it remember.

There is a setting for that, if you want it to remain paused:
In Extra Core Options, you set "pause-on-start = true"
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Message 106822 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 19:16:20 UTC - in response to Message 106821.  

If you set it to finish and it finishes work and pauses it will forget that it was paused on reboot. You have to press pause button to make it remember.

There is a setting for that, if you want it to remain paused:
In Extra Core Options, you set "pause-on-start = true"
There is a setting to always be paused on reboot, and a setting to always runon reboot, but no setting to "do the same as it was doing before the reboot". A basic item missing.
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Message 106823 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 19:29:08 UTC - in response to Message 106822.  

I mainly use a third-party program, "HFM.NET" to control my Folding machines over the LAN.
https://github.com/harlam357/hfm-net/releases

If you set it to "Pause Slot", it will remember it upon reboot.
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Message 106824 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 20:30:34 UTC - in response to Message 106823.  
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I mainly use a third-party program, "HFM.NET" to control my Folding machines over the LAN.
https://github.com/harlam357/hfm-net/releases

If you set it to "Pause Slot", it will remember it upon reboot.
No it doesn't. I can pause or run any slot, live. A seperate setting controls what it does on reboot. So if I change to pause, I have to change both settings.
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Message 106825 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 21:13:11 UTC - in response to Message 106824.  

It is the same setting for me, "Pause Slot".
I am controlling Linux machines from Win10.
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Message 106826 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 21:55:37 UTC - in response to Message 106825.  

It is the same setting for me, "Pause Slot".
I am controlling Linux machines from Win10.
There are two settings for me, either controlling by the standard folding control program, or the third party HFM. I can pause or fold or stop a slot. That takes effect immediately, but is ignored on restart. There is the advanced setting "pause on start" which affects startup. I cannot change one thing to do both. They keep claiming there's a new version in the works, but we all know how long programmers take to finish their coffee.
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Message 106827 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 22:39:18 UTC - in response to Message 106826.  

I just tried it on my Win10 machine, and it works there too. (Normally, I just use the FAH client.)
But I paused the slot with HFM, and rebooted. It stayed paused.

Do you have the latest version of HFM.NET? They have made some changes recently.
Then, you just add that machine to HFM.NET, and right-click on it, and choose "Pause Slot".
(It was a CPU slot. I did not try it on the GPU.)

It has been long-requested on the Folding forum, and yes they are very slow.
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Message 106828 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 22:45:29 UTC - in response to Message 106827.  

How does your folding client start? My starts with "E:program files (x86)FAHClientHideConsole.exe" "e:Program Files (x86)FAHClientFAHClient.exe" --client-type=advanced link in C:ProgramDataMicrosoftWindowsStart MenuProgramsStartup
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Message 106829 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 22:51:44 UTC - in response to Message 106827.  

I just tried it on my Win10 machine, and it works there too. (Normally, I just use the FAH client.)
But I paused the slot with HFM, and rebooted. It stayed paused.

Do you have the latest version of HFM.NET? They have made some changes recently.
Then, you just add that machine to HFM.NET, and right-click on it, and choose "Pause Slot".
(It was a CPU slot. I did not try it on the GPU.)

It has been long-requested on the Folding forum, and yes they are very slow.
Now start the slot and reboot. It might have just been set to pause on start. That's what I find, a different setting controls what it will do at startup.

Another problem I have which they have admitted to in the forum is if you reboot or shut down windows, Folding doesn't close cleanly and can lose your entire task. I always have to pause them before restarting.

I have the latest 10.0.1937 of HFM according to the "check for updates" within the app. Folding is 7.6.21 which is the latest according to the joining up page at https://foldingathome.org/start-folding/
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Message 106830 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 22:54:36 UTC - in response to Message 106828.  
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How does your folding client start? My starts with "E:program files (x86)FAHClientHideConsole.exe" "e:Program Files (x86)FAHClientFAHClient.exe" --client-type=advanced link in C:ProgramDataMicrosoftWindowsStart MenuProgramsStartup
"C:Program Files (x86)FAHClientHideConsole.exe" C:Program Files (x86)FAHClientFAHClient.exe - similar to yours, but without opening any windows. I assume "--client-type=advanced" in your link just causes the advanced window to open?
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Message 106832 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 23:11:12 UTC - in response to Message 106828.  
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How does your folding client start? My starts with "E:program files (x86)FAHClientHideConsole.exe" "e:Program Files (x86)FAHClientFAHClient.exe" --client-type=advanced link in C:ProgramDataMicrosoftWindowsStart MenuProgramsStartup


C:Program Files (x86)FAHClientHideConsole.exe
(note that the backslashes are removed by the Rosetta forum)
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Message 106833 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 23:14:51 UTC - in response to Message 106832.  
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How does your folding client start? My starts with "E:program files (x86)FAHClientHideConsole.exe" "e:Program Files (x86)FAHClientFAHClient.exe" --client-type=advanced link in C:ProgramDataMicrosoftWindowsStart MenuProgramsStartup


C:Program Files (x86)FAHClientHideConsole.exe
(note that the backslashes are removed by the Rosetta forum)
All Boinc forums do that, it sucks. They also remove double spacing, which I always use inbetween sentences. How hard can it be to just post what you type?
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Message 106834 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 23:17:17 UTC - in response to Message 106833.  

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So you have to type backslash four times to display one backslash
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Message 106835 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 23:25:27 UTC - in response to Message 106829.  
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Now start the slot and reboot. It might have just been set to pause on start. That's what I find, a different setting controls what it will do at startup.

No problem with starting the slot, then pausing it, then rebooting. It stays paused until I start it again.
I did not set "pause on start" at all.

I don't recall ever losing a Folding task on reboot either in Windows or Ubuntu. That is different than certain BOINC projects, where it can happen.
In Folding, they control the software both for the client that runs the task, and also the control program. So they are usually very compatible.

One advantage is that you don't have to put up with the insufferable BOINC scheduler. It has to juggle a lot of different tasks with different run times from different projects.
And they also have the resource share setting to consider, while running VirtualBox tasks with other ones, while meeting the deadlines. It is all a big mess.

Folding just downloads a new work unit when the running one is 99% complete. There is no buffer to set and really not much to go wrong.
The only real problem I have seen in recent years is when COVID hit and all the servers were overloaded. But that is all straightened out now.
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Message 106836 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 23:44:10 UTC - in response to Message 106834.  

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rosetta forums remove 3 backslashes out of 4
So you have to type backslash four times to display one backslash
What buffoon came up with that idea? Why not just display what I type?
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Message 106837 - Posted: 26 Aug 2022, 23:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 106835.  

No problem with starting the slot, then pausing it, then rebooting. It stays paused until I start it again.
I did not set "pause on start" at all.

I don't recall ever losing a Folding task on reboot either in Windows or Ubuntu. That is different than certain BOINC projects, where it can happen.
In Folding, they control the software both for the client that runs the task, and also the control program. So they are usually very compatible.

One advantage is that you don't have to put up with the insufferable BOINC scheduler. It has to juggle a lot of different tasks with different run times from different projects.
And they also have the resource share setting to consider, while running VirtualBox tasks with other ones, while meeting the deadlines. It is all a big mess.

Folding just downloads a new work unit when the running one is 99% complete. There is no buffer to set and really not much to go wrong.
The only real problem I have seen in recent years is when COVID hit and all the servers were overloaded. But that is all straightened out now.
Doesn't work that way here. If pause on start is set, it pauses on start, if it's not set, it runs on start, irrespective of whether it was running before the reboot or whether there was even a task downloaded. I've had a computer paused because I don't want to run folding on it for a week, yet when I restart, it downloads another one and runs it!

The Boinc scheduler is really thick at scheduling but so is Folding. It constantly downloads things I won't have time to run. It has no way of checking the speed of a CPU, it just goes by the number of cores, so older computers are useless. It also assume you have it running 24/7, so my gaming machine which is only available 1/2 to 2/3rds of that time is always missing deadlines.
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Message 106839 - Posted: 29 Aug 2022, 11:53:51 UTC
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Hey guys! Im an brand new! Annnnnd lookin at last few posts, i may not be the only one having some issues. I linked BOINC to Rosetta last night, i have Downloaded VB. I cannot get work.

Im sure this is posted somewhere, but I'm a moron and cant find it. Can someone shoot me a link, or explain how I can start crunching (like you were explaining to a 5 year old). Do I need to/how do I set up VB. I couldn't find a video. Thanks in advance!

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1494118662 1328707801 6218174 29 Aug 2022, 0:42:47 UTC 29 Aug 2022, 3:15:00 UTC Abandoned 0.00 0.00 --- rosetta python projects v1.03 (vbox64)
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1494118468 1328707649 6218174 29 Aug 2022, 0:42:47 UTC 29 Aug 2022, 3:15:00 UTC Abandoned 0.00 0.00 --- rosetta python projects v1.03 (vbox64)
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1494118629 1328707777 6218174 29 Aug 2022, 0:42:47 UTC 29 Aug 2022, 3:15:00 UTC Abandoned 0.00 0.00 --- rosetta python projects v1.03 (vbox64)
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Message 106840 - Posted: 29 Aug 2022, 12:08:18 UTC - in response to Message 106839.  

I think you can use this guide.
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=4161
I use virtualbox 5.2.44
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Message 106841 - Posted: 29 Aug 2022, 12:19:42 UTC - in response to Message 106840.  
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Thanks Dude! Seems to be a shitload of hoops to jump through, I wonder why other projects are point and click? It seem to me they would get alot more help if its was easier for idiots like me. eh, Ill look at it tonight. Thanks again!
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