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Message 106100 - Posted: 27 Apr 2022, 19:25:25 UTC - in response to Message 106098.  

The application does not give tasks. I have a lot of space on my memory card. I have Universe @ Home on my smartphone, which works well in the Boinc application.


Universe is a plain project.
Rosetta is much more complex and they are running a program now that requires virtualization.
I looked ARM and virtualization up, you can do it.

The ARM virtualization extensions provide a hardware means for a hypervisor to virtualize the CPU, allowing for multiple OS to be run on the same system. Each physical CPU contains dual copies of its primary ID and affinity registers to allow a hypervisor to manipulate the values passed into a VM.

So you will have to find what that is exactly for your device and download it and then you have to go into your device profile to the details section and enable your account to get python virtualized tasks.
Yikes, VB slows down a 24 core Ryzen 9 CPU, I dread to think what it would do to a little phone.
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Message 106101 - Posted: 27 Apr 2022, 19:58:29 UTC - in response to Message 106096.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Folding@home_cores
I guess they have more programmers/money.



You can't compare the two.
FAH is staffed way better than GPU and it is older and more mature of a program
It was designed for all devices.

GPU:
GPUGRID is a distributed computing project hosted by Pompeu Fabra University (a public funded university) and running on the Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) software platform. It performs full-atom molecular biology simulations that are designed to run on Nvidia's CUDA-compatible graphics processing units.

FAH:

Developer(s) Pande Laboratory, Sony, Nvidia, ATI Technologies, Joseph Coffland, Cauldron Development[1]
Initial release October 1, 2000; 21 years ago

Folding@home is currently based at Washington University in St. Louis (Private, so they can raise money and spend it without limitations) and led by Greg Bowman, a former student of Vijay Pande.

The project utilizes graphics processing units (GPUs), central processing units (CPUs), and ARM processors like those on the Raspberry Pi for distributed computing and scientific research.

So your really comparing apples and oranges while trying to call everything a pear.
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Message 106102 - Posted: 27 Apr 2022, 20:32:27 UTC - in response to Message 106101.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Folding@home_cores
I guess they have more programmers/money.
You can't compare the two.
FAH is staffed way better than GPU and it is older and more mature of a program
It was designed for all devices.

GPU:
GPUGRID is a distributed computing project hosted by Pompeu Fabra University (a public funded university) and running on the Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) software platform. It performs full-atom molecular biology simulations that are designed to run on Nvidia's CUDA-compatible graphics processing units.

FAH:

Developer(s) Pande Laboratory, Sony, Nvidia, ATI Technologies, Joseph Coffland, Cauldron Development[1]
Initial release October 1, 2000; 21 years ago

Folding@home is currently based at Washington University in St. Louis (Private, so they can raise money and spend it without limitations) and led by Greg Bowman, a former student of Vijay Pande.

The project utilizes graphics processing units (GPUs), central processing units (CPUs), and ARM processors like those on the Raspberry Pi for distributed computing and scientific research.

So your really comparing apples and oranges while trying to call everything a pear.
No, we're in agreement, FAH is a bigger organisation with more money behind it so has programmed for more chips.
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Message 106103 - Posted: 27 Apr 2022, 23:13:48 UTC - in response to Message 106101.  

Folding@home is currently based at Washington University in St. Louis (Private, so they can raise money and spend it without limitations) and led by Greg Bowman, a former student of Vijay Pande.

FYI, Prof. Bowman is moving to the University of Pennsylvania this summer.
https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=37813
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Message 106106 - Posted: 28 Apr 2022, 16:18:22 UTC - in response to Message 106100.  

I don't really understand. My smartphone Xiaomi Mi 9T pro worked under Rosetta @Home and I have probably 10,000 points there. Currently it is not getting any task. I'm using the Boinc app, so what can I do to get Rosetta to download tasks?
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Message 106107 - Posted: 28 Apr 2022, 16:23:39 UTC - in response to Message 106106.  
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Currently all 239861 workunits are already distributed to crunchers.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/server_status.php
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Message 106108 - Posted: 28 Apr 2022, 18:20:12 UTC - in response to Message 106106.  
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I don't really understand. My smartphone Xiaomi Mi 9T pro worked under Rosetta @Home and I have probably 10,000 points there. Currently it is not getting any task. I'm using the Boinc app, so what can I do to get Rosetta to download tasks?

Can you load VirtualBox? You needit for rosetta python.
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Message 106109 - Posted: 28 Apr 2022, 18:21:45 UTC - in response to Message 106108.  

I don't think there is virtualbox for android.
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Message 106111 - Posted: 28 Apr 2022, 19:25:51 UTC - in response to Message 106103.  

Folding@home is currently based at Washington University in St. Louis (Private, so they can raise money and spend it without limitations) and led by Greg Bowman, a former student of Vijay Pande.

FYI, Prof. Bowman is moving to the University of Pennsylvania this summer.
https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=37813


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Message 106112 - Posted: 28 Apr 2022, 19:30:48 UTC - in response to Message 106109.  

I don't think there is virtualbox for android.


https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=VMOS
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Message 106113 - Posted: 28 Apr 2022, 19:35:43 UTC - in response to Message 106106.  

I don't really understand. My smartphone Xiaomi Mi 9T pro worked under Rosetta @Home and I have probably 10,000 points there. Currently it is not getting any task. I'm using the Boinc app, so what can I do to get Rosetta to download tasks?



Your phone works the same as us PC users.
You got tasks when they were non virtualbox 4.2 plain jane tasks.
You could crunch those without anything extra.

This has changed. 4.2 is a thing of the past or very rare in having tasks and if there are tasks quite often they error out due to a bug in the code that the person did not check.

So now you need virtualization software that allows these special kinds of tasks to run on your computer and phone. Look up VMOS and read about it. It requires rooting your phone if you haven't done that already, but it does provide the virtualization environment to run these new python tasks in theory. The majority of us use PC's so we can only guess and read on the net (same as you) what works on a android phone.
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Message 106115 - Posted: 28 Apr 2022, 23:53:31 UTC - in response to Message 106113.  

Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, I don't have root on my phone and won't do it, but I'll try to get it running on my PC. 😊
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Message 106116 - Posted: 28 Apr 2022, 23:53:41 UTC - in response to Message 106113.  

Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, I don't have root on my phone and won't do it, but I'll try to get it running on my PC. 😊
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Message 106117 - Posted: 29 Apr 2022, 1:19:56 UTC - in response to Message 106115.  

Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, I don't have root on my phone and won't do it, but I'll try to get it running on my PC. 😊
Indeed. I have two phones and rooted the old one which I only use for Boinc. I would never risk rooting the phone I use every day. All kinds of shit could go wrong. It's absurd this is required for so many things. Whoever wrote the Android OS is an idiot.
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Message 106118 - Posted: 29 Apr 2022, 2:37:26 UTC - in response to Message 106033.  

I may have spoken too soon. The tasks were running for exceptionally long times (18-26 hours) - although unlike the normal "not doing anything" vbox tasks, they were showing significant CPU time utilised (rather than the tasks that "run" for 18 hours but have only consumed 10-20 seconds of CPU). I shut down BOINC, rolled VBox back to version 6.1.12 (BOINC recommended version, not 6.1.32 which I had been running), restarted, and all the vbox tasks came up with computation errors.

Oh well, will see what happens with the next tasks to run.
I'm on VB version 5 (or Cosmology breaks completely) and it seems to run Rosetta Python just as well as 6. LHC is also happy with it. Kryptos at Home also hates 6. Seems like VB screwed up when they made the new one.


Downgraded to VBox 5, everything was happy. Tried upgrading back to VBox 6.1.12, and everything continued to be happy, including an in-progress task resuming and completing normally. So maybe there was something up with 6.1.34 - and in-progress tasks can cope with VBox upgrades but not downgrades.

So looks like I'll stick with VBox 6.1.12 for the time being. I'm only using it for R@H (or other enrolled BOINC projects if they can make use of it) so not being up-to-date won't affect anything else.
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Message 106119 - Posted: 29 Apr 2022, 5:29:19 UTC

I am using 6.1.34 on rosetta python, Atlas@home and QuChem. All go well, but QuChem has many invalid results, not errors.
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Message 106120 - Posted: 29 Apr 2022, 6:10:57 UTC - in response to Message 106119.  

I am using 6.1.34 on rosetta python, Atlas@home and QuChem. All go well, but QuChem has many invalid results, not errors.
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My QuChem works perfectly on VB5. The good VB before they messed it up.

Why do you differentiate between "invalid" and "error"?
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Message 106125 - Posted: 29 Apr 2022, 11:09:16 UTC - in response to Message 106120.  
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I think error means task crashed and result wasn't uploaded to server.
Invalid means task ran to completion but result wasn't accepted by the project..
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Message 106126 - Posted: 29 Apr 2022, 16:25:09 UTC - in response to Message 106116.  

Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, I don't have root on my phone and won't do it, but I'll try to get it running on my PC. 😊



Then you phone might as well do some other non virtual box work from another project.
This project has gone to 99% virtual box.

Look on the BOINC list of projects and see what there is for ARM projects, but then watch out for the virtual box symbol because the project may be only virtualbox work.
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Message 106127 - Posted: 29 Apr 2022, 16:29:57 UTC - in response to Message 106120.  

I am using 6.1.34 on rosetta python, Atlas@home and QuChem. All go well, but QuChem has many invalid results, not errors.
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My QuChem works perfectly on VB5. The good VB before they messed it up.

Why do you differentiate between "invalid" and "error"?



Maybe you should check with the project for us and see if they know that VB 6 flavors DO NOT work on their project. Because I had the 6.1.32 and QuChem kept going unstable. So I gave up.
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