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Message 105013 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:06:22 UTC
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movingstub_gzm1_minimize_3CL_AVLstub_0182_184_extract_B_SAVE_ALL_OUT_2908283_416_1

NOT FIXED! I had 25 errors last night after I killed 24 of these damn things and now I am 51.
After killing two rounds of this garbage I am at 165.
GEES!
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Message 105015 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:13:05 UTC - in response to Message 105012.  

I was trying to get 4.21 application



4.21? I must be missing something. I am only aware of 4.20
Maybe 4.21 is not released to us yet since they need to get 4.20 cleaned up before moving to a new version I would think.
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Message 105016 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:15:10 UTC - in response to Message 105015.  

For some reason 4.21 app is released only for 32 bit windows.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/apps.php
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Message 105017 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:18:50 UTC

Can I get an answer as to what is going on with this?
All my tasks over the last few days have been "computation error."

Included, sample of report.
Application
Rosetta 4.20
Name
movingstub_gzm1_minimize_3CL_AVLstub_0016_208_extract_B_SAVE_ALL_OUT_2906721_735
State
Computation error
Received
20/02/2022 09:04:33
Report deadline
23/02/2022 09:04:29
Estimated computation size
80,000 GFLOPs
CPU time
00:00:02
Elapsed time
00:00:22
Executable
rosetta_4.20_windows_x86_64.exe
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Message 105018 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:20:39 UTC - in response to Message 105017.  

Can I get an answer as to what is going on with this?
All my tasks over the last few days have been "computation error."

Included, sample of report.
Application
Rosetta 4.20
Name
movingstub_gzm1_minimize_3CL_AVLstub_0016_208_extract_B_SAVE_ALL_OUT_2906721_735
State
Computation error
Received
20/02/2022 09:04:33
Report deadline
23/02/2022 09:04:29
Estimated computation size
80,000 GFLOPs
CPU time
00:00:02
Elapsed time
00:00:22
Executable
rosetta_4.20_windows_x86_64.exe


Bryn,

it has nothing to do with your computers.
The issue is with the tasks that project supplies.
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Message 105019 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:20:58 UTC - in response to Message 105016.  
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For some reason 4.21 app is released only for 32 bit windows.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/apps.php



You don't qualify, you run AMD and Android
Microsoft Windows (98 or later) running on an ->Intel ,- x86-compatible CPU
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Message 105020 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:23:39 UTC - in response to Message 105017.  
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Bryn - when you see them. Abort them.
I've killed over 120 in 24hrs.
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Message 105021 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:25:16 UTC - in response to Message 105019.  
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It says Intel[B] x86-compatible CPU
Do you think if i install 32 bit windows in virtualbox i will be able to use 4.21 version?
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Message 105022 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:29:54 UTC

Warning! RAH is sending out moving stubs in bulk now. I just aborted over 130 of them in the last 5 minutes
Now setting RAH to no new tasks.
I have only 1 python running.

UNREAL!
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Message 105023 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:31:46 UTC - in response to Message 105021.  

No, because during the benchmarks BOINC will tell the project what kind of processor you have.
You need a intel chip and even then there is no guarantee there is work in 4.21
Your the first to bring it up.

Anyone else here have INTEL machines that are getting 4.21 or is it all 4.20?
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Message 105024 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 20:46:59 UTC

It says Intel[B] x86-compatible CPU

You need a intel chip

The description is misleading - it has nothing to do with the CPU.
Instead, those apps run on a computer with a 32-bit OS while the 64-bit apps don't.

On a computer running a 64-bit OS you can run both apps.
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Message 105027 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 22:03:51 UTC - in response to Message 105023.  

You need a intel chip

No, you need a CPU compatible with intel-x86, but it doesn't matter if this is a "true" intel CPU or AMD or whatever.
Also, it doesn't matter if it's a "real" 32-bit CPU, or if it's a 64-bit CPU that is also intel-x86 compatible.

As you can see from the application-page, if you're using 32-bit Linux/Windows none of the application mentions AMD at all, but if you're using either OS you can still download and crunch work units with your AMD.
"I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might."
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Message 105030 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 22:50:27 UTC - in response to Message 105022.  

Warning! RAH is sending out moving stubs in bulk now.
It has been doing that since they were released. If you keep aborting them, then it will keep sending them.
Just let them error out and the BOINC Manager backoffs will stop more from being downloaded till the backoff expires several hours later.
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Message 105031 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 22:53:10 UTC

For Pete's sake.

Rosetta 4.21 is nothing new, it was released only 7 days after Rosetta 4.20, almost 2 years ago.
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Message 105034 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 23:14:33 UTC - in response to Message 105031.  

What is the difference between the two?
If .21 is "newer" then why are we are .20?
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Message 105035 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 23:15:12 UTC - in response to Message 105030.  

oh ok.....kind of wondered why it kept sending despite aborting.
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Message 105036 - Posted: 19 Feb 2022, 23:16:08 UTC - in response to Message 105024.  

Which leads me to the question I posted.
Whats the difference?
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Message 105037 - Posted: 20 Feb 2022, 0:21:17 UTC - in response to Message 105034.  
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What is the difference between the two?
If .21 is "newer" then why are we are .20?
It's not newer, it was just a fix for 4.20 on 32bit systems.
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Message 105038 - Posted: 20 Feb 2022, 0:26:28 UTC - in response to Message 105035.  

oh ok.....kind of wondered why it kept sending despite aborting.
If you do it enough, you'll end up with only getting 1 Rosetta 4.20 Task per 24 hours until you start returning Valid work again (just under another 200 to go to reach that point).
But just leaving it be & let the BOINC Manager timeouts limit the amount you get is just a whole lot easier. And if we do ever get any Rosetta 4.20 work we can process again, you'll be able to get a full load on your first request instead of having to build up how many you can get every 24 hours over several days.
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Message 105039 - Posted: 20 Feb 2022, 0:28:27 UTC - in response to Message 105036.  
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Which leads me to the question I posted.
Whats the difference?



IIRC, Rosetta 4.20 is the regular modern Rosetta that requires a 64bit OS and CPU. 4.21 was released specifically for older systems on 32 bit. I remember there being talk about phasing out 32 bit Rosetta tasks, I think the consensus was that that probably wasn't a good idea so 4.21 was released. I do not know about any other differences.

In other words, 4.20 requires a 64 bit system, 4.21 requires a 32 bit system.

Anyways, "Intel x86 compatible" has nothing to do with Intel vs AMD, the same way "AMD x86_64 compatible" has nothing to do with AMD. They basically mean garden variety X86-32 and X86-64, respectively.
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