Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
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Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Ignore that big fancy number on the front page.But the point is that was spotted dropping suddenly, so they must have removed some, presumably due to problems. I wish other projects had that number. All we get to see is the little front end buffer on most projects. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Check this out from a 4.2 task todayLooks rather like something tried to use the 4th dimension. Does your processor not support that function? |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
Check this out from a 4.2 task todayLooks rather like something tried to use the 4th dimension. Does your processor not support that function? I have no graphics on my CPU. Besides, the program is supposed to take care of any graphics or whatever. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
Ignore that big fancy number on the front page.But the point is that was spotted dropping suddenly, so they must have removed some, presumably due to problems. I wish other projects had that number. All we get to see is the little front end buffer on most projects. But again, that number is mute to this aspect of the project. It has no bearing on what we do. Just watch the numbers I quoted. That is all you need to be concerned about. Because that is the work WE get, not the machine. It just looks cool to say..oh we have 2 million tasks queued up, but when you dig deeper on Robetta, then you see, AI, AI, AI,AI.....Rosetta,AI,AI,AI,AI maybe a Rosetta. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
I have no graphics on my CPU.I was trying to make a joke. It said the angle wasn't within the normal 360 degrees. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Actually the word is moot, not that I ever use that strange sounding word. I also have an aversion to the word dupe.Ignore that big fancy number on the front page.But the point is that was spotted dropping suddenly, so they must have removed some, presumably due to problems. I wish other projects had that number. All we get to see is the little front end buffer on most projects. It has no bearing on what we do.Admittedly it doesn't tell you which of the two apps it is, but it's more meaningful than the tiny number, which is just the first bunch in their RAM buffer or whatever. The main number is what we always used to look at to see how much work was left. You could see there was a month's supply etc. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
Ah ha! Well sorry for the misspelling. Quick typing and no thinking after work. 4th dimension does exist...but anyway...again after work..not thinking. Missed the pun. Now...if you go here: https://robetta.bakerlab.org/queue.php?id=&target=&username=&seq=&page=2 and look at the active tasks at random, you will see that the majority are queued for RoseTTAFold which is the AI. You can read about it here: https://www.ipd.uw.edu/2021/07/rosettafold-accurate-protein-structure-prediction-accessible-to-all/ Now bed... |
Falconet Send message Joined: 9 Mar 09 Posts: 354 Credit: 1,242,603 RAC: 1,752 |
Ah ha! Well sorry for the misspelling. Quick typing and no thinking after work. Since these Robetta jobs aren't run at Rosetta@home, it doesn't make sense that they would get queued at Rosetta@home. They seem to be directly sent from Robetta to the Baker Lab cluster and to the HHMI's Janelia Research Campus. My bet is the 2.6 million tasks on the Rosetta@home queue are all Pythons. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Now...if you go here: https://robetta.bakerlab.org/queue.php?id=&target=&username=&seq=&page=2 and look at the active tasks at random, you will see that the majority are queued for RoseTTAFold which is the AI.The first thing I spotted when looking at the "user input" page was the word KILL somewhere in the sequence. Either I'm a homicidal maniac, or it's because I'm playing fallout 4 on a Ryzen 3900XT that should be folding. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
So how come there are so many usernames, it certainly looks like Boinc.https://robetta.bakerlab.org/queue.php?id=&target=&username=&seq=&page=2Since these Robetta jobs aren't run at Rosetta@home, it doesn't make sense that they would get queued at Rosetta@home. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
So how come there are so many usernames, it certainly looks like Boinc.https://robetta.bakerlab.org/queue.php?id=&target=&username=&seq=&page=2Since these Robetta jobs aren't run at Rosetta@home, it doesn't make sense that they would get queued at Rosetta@home. That's not users related to us. That's the person who submitted the protein. Again...if its Robetta, its not us. That's all there is to it. I'll have to dig around some more. I have always known from other sources that Robetta server supplied Rosetta servers. That Robetta was where everything is stored. That may not be the case, but it's something that will take some digging around. The group is not that transparent on how their setup works. |
Falconet Send message Joined: 9 Mar 09 Posts: 354 Credit: 1,242,603 RAC: 1,752 |
Robetta, as far as I can tell, is separate from Rosetta@home and is used mostly by researchers outside of the Baker Lab/IPD. It's an interface for users who wish to get computing power for their jobs. Jobs that require the use of Rosetta 4.20 that are submitted to Robetta get sent to Rosetta@home but the rest goes to the other servers that they set up when they launched RoseTTAFold. |
aperience Send message Joined: 26 May 21 Posts: 1 Credit: 178,486 RAC: 115 |
So how come there are so many usernames, it certainly looks like Boinc.https://robetta.bakerlab.org/queue.php?id=&target=&username=&seq=&page=2Since these Robetta jobs aren't run at Rosetta@home, it doesn't make sense that they would get queued at Rosetta@home. Hi, regular Boinc user here, first time posting. I don't know why, but I've never had issues with python projects tasks. I haven't done anything special apart from downloading VirtualBox alongside Boinc. I assume many people did, unless there's some controversy around VirtualBox that I'm unaware of. I've seen that I can't have more than 2 python tasks at a time, whatever the reason is, but it's not a limitation for me, as I mostly run tasks for Numberfields@home. I'm just posting to tell you that users like me exist, although we may be rare (I assume I'm not the only one). I'm not saying that there aren't users related to the running team among the ~1000 users running python tasks right now, I can just tell that I'm not one of them and that it's possible to run python tasks through Boinc and VB. I guess I'm just lucky it works on my laptop. I can give you more info if you want but I haven't really followed the discussion and I'm not an expert with computers, so try to give instructions if you want technical details. |
Jim1348 Send message Joined: 19 Jan 06 Posts: 881 Credit: 52,257,545 RAC: 0 |
I have posted this many times before. They should make it a sticky if there were any moderator around to do it. If you are running VirtualBox 6.1.x, you will get the "Vm job unmanageable" problem with the pythons. That is true whether you are running Windows or Linux. The difference is that it can be fixed with Windows. You go back to VirtualBox 5.2.44 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_5_2 Unfortunately, that does not work on Linux, at least Ubuntu. Firstly, Ubuntu 20.04.3 works only with VBox 6.1.x. Secondly, even going back to Ubuntu 18.04.6, which allows you to install VBox 5.2.44, still has the problem. They need to fix it at the project end, by compiling a new Vbox wrapper. They did it on LHC, and it works there. (It has to do with the COM interface, in case you are interested.) NB: If you reboot frequently, you may not see the problem. It usually occurs after the pythons have been running 12 hours or so, but I have seen it even after a reboot on Ubuntu. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
That's only one of the problems, I can't get python to work on 6 of 7 Windows PCs no matter which version of VB I use. One of them fails validation at the server end, the rest just sit with almost 0 CPU time. Pythons for 12 hours? They average 2 hours here. As for only being able to run a couple at a time, you need a lot of RAM. I can run 5 but it won't do 6 in 16GB. |
Jim1348 Send message Joined: 19 Jan 06 Posts: 881 Credit: 52,257,545 RAC: 0 |
Pythons for 12 hours? They average 2 hours here. No, not an individual run for 12 hours. After running a series of them continually. I didn't say anything about running only two. I usually run at least eight, and am presently running twenty on a Ryzen 3900X with 80 GB of memory. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
The two was the post before yours. Sorry, I was too lazy to quote who I was talking to in which bit. I'm giving a dodgy machine another go on the old VB, but I think I've tried this. It just doesn't use the CPU at all.Pythons for 12 hours? They average 2 hours here. |
Jim1348 Send message Joined: 19 Jan 06 Posts: 881 Credit: 52,257,545 RAC: 0 |
I'm giving a dodgy machine another go on the old VB, but I think I've tried this. It just doesn't use the CPU at all. I wish I had a fix, but you have tried a lot. Good luck. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
Robetta, as far as I can tell, is separate from Rosetta@home and is used mostly by researchers outside of the Baker Lab/IPD. It's an interface for users who wish to get computing power for their jobs. Ok..so then where do they get the million something tasks in queue? But yet there appears to be only a few thousand released? There has always been a million something in queue, even back when it was just 4.2 alone. So something doesn't add up. And that you can't see what is next in line....but yet you can see Robetta? Plus someone kept quoting Robetta information some time ago as if that was where RAH gets its work. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
Pythons for 12 hours? They average 2 hours here. Holy cow! 80 gigs?!?! That's more than my budget can afford! It hurt enough to put in 32 on top of the 16 I put in about 4 years ago. I just can't see investing much more for being a volunteer. At best another 1080 or better, but that's it. |
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