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Message 73677 - Posted: 22 Aug 2012, 20:25:29 UTC

Hello,

I have got a message:

reached daily quota of 8 results

and no tasks sent. Is it a new rule on rosetta? I have never seen it before.

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Message 73679 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 7:27:06 UTC - in response to Message 73677.  

Since your computers are hidden I can only guess, but probably you are throwing out only errors (on a 8 core machine). Unhide your computers, than we can eventually see the reason.
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Message 73680 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 8:32:45 UTC - in response to Message 73679.  

Since your computers are hidden I can only guess, but probably you are throwing out only errors (on a 8 core machine). Unhide your computers, than we can eventually see the reason.


I did and yes there are many errored task with CLientError. I miss it. According to log all task are calculated ok and succesfuly finished. I don't know why there is clienterror and what this error means.

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Message 73681 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 11:23:50 UTC - in response to Message 73680.  

Since your computers are hidden I can only guess, but probably you are throwing out only errors (on a 8 core machine). Unhide your computers, than we can eventually see the reason.


I did and yes there are many errored task with CLientError. I miss it. According to log all task are calculated ok and succesfuly finished. I don't know why there is clienterror and what this error means.

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You have two problems...1st is you are using an unapproved version of Boinc here at Rosetta, they have NOT approved the version 7.X.X series yet and you are using version 7.0.31. 2nd you are also gpu crunching with your pc, that is another deal breaker for the Rosetta workunits, they do not share well with others! Rosetta has consistently said they are happy with the settings they have and are not going to be changing them.
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Message 73682 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 11:48:52 UTC - in response to Message 73681.  


You have two problems...1st is you are using an unapproved version of Boinc here at Rosetta, they have NOT approved the version 7.X.X series yet and you are using version 7.0.31. 2nd you are also gpu crunching with your pc, that is another deal breaker for the Rosetta workunits, they do not share well with others! Rosetta has consistently said they are happy with the settings they have and are not going to be changing them.


I'm using 7.0.27 with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and this is the main problem. GPU project (GPUGRID) is ok with rosseta (1 year without problems with 6.x version).

I have upgraded PC's to Ubuntu 12.04 one or two weeks ago. I will disable rosseta on these computers and wait till 7.x support.

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Message 73683 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 12:15:08 UTC - in response to Message 73681.  
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2nd you are also gpu crunching with your pc, that is another deal breaker for the Rosetta workunits, they do not share well with others!

I'm crunching Milkyway on GPU and Rosetta on CPU, no problems here, however I'm using BOINC 6.12.34.



I have upgraded PC's to Ubuntu 12.04 one or two weeks ago. I will disable rosseta on these computers and wait till 7.x support.

Or you simply downgrade to v6 again if that worked before for you (unless you need v7 for some other project).
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Message 73684 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 17:16:54 UTC

Look at this guy's RAC and total... would be a shame to lose him on this project. Makes me wonder how many we have lost total and/or returning nothing but errors unnoticed because of this. It really needs to be revisited by the project administrators.
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Message 73685 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 19:54:35 UTC - in response to Message 73684.  

It really needs to be revisited by the project administrators.

Well, that's for sure the only long-term solution, in a while most users will be on v7.
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Message 73688 - Posted: 24 Aug 2012, 11:25:40 UTC - in response to Message 73685.  
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It really needs to be revisited by the project administrators.

Well, that's for sure the only long-term solution, in a while most users will be on v7.


AND I keep getting messages from Berkeley that there is a new version for my version 6!!! It keeps pressing me to upgrade but then Rosetta punishes you, big time, for doing so! They REALLY need to communicate with each other!! Even World Community Grid recommends version 6 but lets people use whatever version they want to and it works just fine.
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Message 73695 - Posted: 25 Aug 2012, 7:29:22 UTC - in response to Message 73688.  
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It keeps pressing me to upgrade...

Pressing you? How hard is it to ignore those messages? I almost never see them, they are pushed up quite fast by other messages, so usually I see them only if I search for something in the log. Also new BOINC Manager versions have the log hidden, most people probably never find it.

BTW, is there actually a way to disable that check?
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Message 73696 - Posted: 25 Aug 2012, 11:11:46 UTC - in response to Message 73695.  

It keeps pressing me to upgrade...

Pressing you? How hard is it to ignore those messages? I almost never see them, they are pushed up quite fast by other messages, so usually I see them only if I search for something in the log. Also new BOINC Manager versions have the log hidden, most people probably never find it.

BTW, is there actually a way to disable that check?


I do not know if you can disable the checking, I think it is a Boinc thing to help prevent problems that are fixed in later versions. But the messages come up when I open Boinc Manager, there is a tab that says "Notices" and then a number indicating the number of messages in there.
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Message 73697 - Posted: 26 Aug 2012, 10:43:02 UTC - in response to Message 73696.  

Summary of my experiences with rosetta from last 6 months:

1. Boinc 7.xx and windows xp (32bit) as service = No problems
2. Boinc 7.xx and windows server 2008 R2 x64 as service = No problems
3. Boinc 6.xx and 7.xx with windows 7 64 bit (intel i5) = 50% error, 50 % ok
Does not matter of Boinc version and service/noservice install
4. Boinc 6.xx and Ubuntu 11.04, 11.10 x64 = no problem
5. Boinc 7.xx and Ubuntu 12.04 x64 = first week after install ok, next week all tasks with client error

Other project I'm running:

1. WCG CPU ok (6.XX and 7.XX, windows and Ubuntu)
2. Primegrid GPU ok (6.XX and 7.XX, Ubuntu)
3. GPUGRID ok (6.XX and 7.XX, Ubuntu)
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Message 73698 - Posted: 26 Aug 2012, 15:07:29 UTC - in response to Message 73696.  
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But the messages come up when I open Boinc Manager, there is a tab that says "Notices" and then a number indicating the number of messages in there.

I see... or I don't since I downgraded to the 6.10 Manager even on my 6.12.34 machine, the new versions are for me somewhat unusable without a real log (Messages) tab.


@HA-SOFT, s.r.o.: do the errors occur only or mostly on machines also running GPU tasks? Or also on machines without GPUs used for crunching? Some people reported that in the other thread. BTW, minirosetta 3.41 is out, you could try that.
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Message 73704 - Posted: 27 Aug 2012, 9:48:32 UTC - in response to Message 73698.  

But the messages come up when I open Boinc Manager, there is a tab that says "Notices" and then a number indicating the number of messages in there.

I see... or I don't since I downgraded to the 6.10 Manager even on my 6.12.34 machine, the new versions are for me somewhat unusable without a real log (Messages) tab.


I too do not like the missing Messages tab! I KNOW there is still a messages box that can be brought up but I too liked the tab better!
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Message 73705 - Posted: 27 Aug 2012, 13:10:28 UTC - in response to Message 73704.  

But the messages come up when I open Boinc Manager, there is a tab that says "Notices" and then a number indicating the number of messages in there.

I see... or I don't since I downgraded to the 6.10 Manager even on my 6.12.34 machine, the new versions are for me somewhat unusable without a real log (Messages) tab.


I too do not like the missing Messages tab! I KNOW there is still a messages box that can be brought up but I too liked the tab better!


Same here.
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Message 73706 - Posted: 27 Aug 2012, 13:16:07 UTC - in response to Message 73698.  

do the errors occur only or mostly on machines also running GPU tasks? Or also on machines without GPUs used for crunching? Some people reported that in the other thread. BTW, minirosetta 3.41 is out, you could try that.


I tried it without WCG. Only rosetta and gpugrid together, but no luck. Client error again. If I look into log of jobs with client error, they are normal with succesfull boinc finish. I think there may be a problem with interpreting results on server side.

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Message 73709 - Posted: 27 Aug 2012, 19:30:16 UTC - in response to Message 73706.  

I tried it without WCG. Only rosetta and gpugrid together, but no luck.

GPUgrid, that's running on GPU, isn't it? Try without that. Some of your machines are completing Rosetta tasks successfully, are that those without GPU crunching?
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Message 73711 - Posted: 28 Aug 2012, 9:06:26 UTC - in response to Message 73709.  

I tried it without WCG. Only rosetta and gpugrid together, but no luck.

GPUgrid, that's running on GPU, isn't it? Try without that. Some of your machines are completing Rosetta tasks successfully, are that those without GPU crunching?


These are windows machines, where the situation is not so bad. I think it's related to linux with combination of 7.xx client. I know that rosetta is worse on linux than on windows.

I'll try rosetta without gpugrid, but I think that problem is not in crunching, but in sending/validating.
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Message 73719 - Posted: 29 Aug 2012, 8:15:35 UTC - in response to Message 73711.  

but I think that problem is not in crunching, but in sending/validating.

These are "client errors", which means the errors occur on the client. Since the std_err looks clean, it must happen pretty much when the tasks exits or even after that when the BOINC client cleans up after it. The application self is running OK, otherwise these were "compute errors", in case of issues with validating "validate errors", file transfer errors have also their own names.
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Message 74462 - Posted: 17 Nov 2012, 19:24:15 UTC

Hi,

I have recognized some problems with Rosetta@home in 64-bit BOINC in 64-bit Ubuntu. See my post for workaround.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6053&nowrap=true#74461

Regards, Markus
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