This thread could get really long if we started bashing Seti. ;-)))

Not necessary. They do a good job on their own.

I keep track of my accumulation and RAC, and compare it to the others around me to keep it interesting, but I crunch here because I hope the research makes a difference.

Fair comment. I believe it will.

(Hint) IT'S NOT MONEY!!

I have followed this thread and I believe that over time, Rosetta does not compensate its user's well for the work that is done.

Overall, it's very stingy.

The 'nickle and dime' mentality used here is laughably 'non-gratis'. 51 credits for 13,000 sec work is downright robbery. Period!

If it's not money and it doesn't buy you anything, what does the lack of credit rob you of?

Pitiful.

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I'll be building an I7 950 for my daughters graduation gift in a few weeks. It will be interesting to see how it compares, given the slight disparity in clock speed, twice the "cores" due to hyperthreading, but half (actually quarter if you factor hyperthreading) the L2 Cache.

I'd imagine the i7 will beat it right out of the water. It's a whole different architecture. i7 are the Core 2 Duo's on really strong steroids.

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[color=green][size=12]While I am not a scientist, I am attached to this project BECAUSE of the reasons you pointed out. BUT, if I(we) are going to help you do this 'important' research then you should reward us far better than you do. The credit reward system you now have in place is too low for the work done. Example: After a year and a half of work for this project, all I have to show for it is 14,000 credits. In contrast, I have been in DNET for less that two months and have 40,000 credits, in Collatz less than a year and have 360,000, all using the same computer. Is their 'work' more important than yours?? This is MY point.

MW,DNETC, Collatz, gpugrid.net, and seti@home cuda tasks use nvidia gpu. Rosetta@home do not use gpu. My old radeon 4850 get 10 gflops/sek peak. My core2 duo 8400 get 3397 floating point mips per second. how you can give such a large difference in the performance of the same number of points?

I'll be building an I7 950 for my daughters graduation gift in a few weeks.

I think I wish my dad had done that when I graduated! You are a VERY nice dad!!

[color=green][size=12]While I am not a scientist, I am attached to this project BECAUSE of the reasons you pointed out. BUT, if I(we) are going to help you do this 'important' research then you should reward us far better than you do. The credit reward system you now have in place is too low for the work done. Example: After a year and a half of work for this project, all I have to show for it is 14,000 credits. In contrast, I have been in DNET for less that two months and have 40,000 credits, in Collatz less than a year and have 360,000, all using the same computer. Is their 'work' more important than yours?? This is MY point.

MW,DNETC, Collatz, gpugrid.net, and seti@home cuda tasks use nvidia gpu. Rosetta@home do not use gpu. My old radeon 4850 get 10 gflops/sek peak. My core2 duo 8400 get 3397 floating point mips per second. how you can give such a large difference in the performance of the same number of points?

Actually I just looked and I do not think she is using a video card to crunch those projects with, I think she is just using her cpu. Yes they are MUCH slower than the gpu, for those projects the gpu works for. Also most if not all of those projects can also use an ATI video card to crunch with.

Yeah, I don't know what the whole problem is... I crunch Collatz with my video cards and get about 5,000 RAC so far. While I get ~2000 RAC in rosetta@home, but I find my contribution to rosetta way more beneficial, even though I don't get the same amounts of credit. BTW, it comes in handy to compare your stats with people crunching IN THE SAME PROJECT. I'll keep crunching collats with my GPUs until Rosetta finds a way to develop a GPU application.

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I have been following this thread and a part of me really wants to be angry at the people that whine about credit.

Anyone who has had any biology can tell you that proteins are what allows life to exist. The other thing they can tell you is that in biology structure equals function.

Having knowledge of protein structure and how they function will benefit every living organism on this planet!

I think Chris:

"I just look at credits as being a benchmark as to how well I am doing within a project and as a measure of what I am accomplishing for the project. And with the credit structure they have setup here it can also serve as a flag when something is not working right (see the long running work unit discussion)"

and JackOnTheRox:

"I keep track of my accumulation and RAC, and compare it to the others around me to keep it interesting, but I crunch here because I hope the research makes a difference."

gave the best reasons for credit.

But if raising the credit could bring in a few more credit whores that would equal more models produced right?

"Another 'theory' is that if you keep the credits low the 'credit whores' won't come and make the server work extra hard. Just the people that 'believe' in the idea of your project will come and since they are always going to be here the server load stays fairly steady. More credits means more people meaning more work for the project and that can mean more monetary expenditures. Credits ARE low here, but they may plan it that way."

But then mikey’s comment brings up a very good point:

So is there any way some kind cost benefit analysis can be performed?
How much throughput could be gained by raising the awarded credit and what would it cost in server time?
And can the project accept monetary contributions? I know a lot of other projects ask.
You never know, you might have some crunchers around here that wouldn’t mind giving a few bucks to help with buying a little more sever power.

Anyway, just my thoughts, I imagine the last question is the only one that can be easily answered.

Bikermatt said:

You never know, you might have some crunchers around here that wouldn’t mind giving a few bucks to help with buying a little more sever power.

Hell, I'd rather give it to the Rosetta project than the IRS ...

Bikermatt said:

You never know, you might have some crunchers around here that wouldn’t mind giving a few bucks to help with buying a little more sever power.

Hell, I'd rather give it to the Rosetta project than the IRS ...

Unfortunately I have not found a project that takes tax deductible donations yet! If they did they might find more money than they knew what to do with, and what a predicament that would be!

Bikermatt I too crunch for a project that gives lower credit than some others, Malaria, and I too do it for the Science! Choosing where to put our resources becomes harder and harder as more projects come online, but increases the fun level! It also means we need more pc's so we can adequately contribute to each project!!

...can the project accept monetary contributions?

You can click the [home] link at the top of any message board webpage and then click the "Donate" link at the bottom of the "Join Rosetta@home" links. The link describes the foundation that has been established and deductability of your donation.

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...can the project accept monetary contributions?

You can click the [home] link at the top of any message board webpage and then click the "Donate" link at the bottom of the "Join Rosetta@home" links. The link describes the foundation that has been established and deductability of your donation.

I did not know that, THANKS!!