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Message 61459 - Posted: 30 May 2009, 1:01:31 UTC

I just got a Dell Mini9 netbook...Atom processor with 1gig ram and Windows XP.

Anyone have any stats on what I should expect if I run BOINC on it 24x7? Any computers that you have that I can look at...RAC stats?

I see the netbook industry as crushing the traditional laptop industry by end of 2010 if not sooner (yes there will always be people who want a high powered laptop but for most of the public, they just want a nice thin laptop to check email, surf, upload some photos).

Anyway, any stats or help would be greatly appreciated!

-Eric
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Message 61467 - Posted: 30 May 2009, 8:41:40 UTC

Atom processors are not designed to run at full load all the time. I would expect the RAC from it to be very very low. I don't even try to run BOINC on my mini 9 at all anymore because of the very few credits that you get and the fact that the heat it creates and the rate at which it drains the battery is horrible!!
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Message 61469 - Posted: 30 May 2009, 11:44:28 UTC - in response to Message 61459.  

I just got a Dell Mini9 netbook...Atom processor with 1gig ram and Windows XP.

Anyone have any stats on what I should expect if I run BOINC on it 24x7? Any computers that you have that I can look at...RAC stats?

I see the netbook industry as crushing the traditional laptop industry by end of 2010 if not sooner (yes there will always be people who want a high powered laptop but for most of the public, they just want a nice thin laptop to check email, surf, upload some photos).

Anyway, any stats or help would be greatly appreciated!
-Eric


I have an Asus mini and I ran Boinc for less than a week bit but have now stopped because it takes FOREVER to finish a unit!! Also because I didn't buy mine to run it 24/7, I bought it for trips etc. It works GREAT for that, as you suggest.
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Message 61485 - Posted: 31 May 2009, 2:20:12 UTC - in response to Message 61459.  

I just got a Dell Mini9 netbook...Atom processor with 1gig ram and Windows XP.

Anyone have any stats on what I should expect if I run BOINC on it 24x7? Any computers that you have that I can look at...RAC stats?

I see the netbook industry as crushing the traditional laptop industry by end of 2010 if not sooner (yes there will always be people who want a high powered laptop but for most of the public, they just want a nice thin laptop to check email, surf, upload some photos).

Anyway, any stats or help would be greatly appreciated!

-Eric


Here's a Mini 9. It's been crunching rosetta exclusively for a while. About 100 credits/day on rosetta is what I'd expect.

I'm going to be taking this system off of BOINC -- can't justify the power expended for the results.
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Message 61501 - Posted: 31 May 2009, 12:00:54 UTC - in response to Message 61485.  

I just got a Dell Mini9 netbook...Atom processor with 1gig ram and Windows XP.

Anyone have any stats on what I should expect if I run BOINC on it 24x7? Any computers that you have that I can look at...RAC stats?

I see the netbook industry as crushing the traditional laptop industry by end of 2010 if not sooner (yes there will always be people who want a high powered laptop but for most of the public, they just want a nice thin laptop to check email, surf, upload some photos).

Anyway, any stats or help would be greatly appreciated!

-Eric


Here's a Mini 9. It's been crunching rosetta exclusively for a while. About 100 credits/day on rosetta is what I'd expect.

I'm going to be taking this system off of BOINC -- can't justify the power expended for the results.


I couldn't find mine, it has been too long I guess, it was a month or so ago but anyway..., it is similar to what I found, long run times and not worth the electricity expended!
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Message 61508 - Posted: 31 May 2009, 20:08:32 UTC - in response to Message 61501.  
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I just got a Dell Mini9 netbook...Atom processor with 1gig ram and Windows XP.

Anyone have any stats on what I should expect if I run BOINC on it 24x7? Any computers that you have that I can look at... RAC stats?

Here's a Mini 9. It's been crunching rosetta exclusively for a while. About 100 credits/day on rosetta is what I'd expect.

I'm going to be taking this system off of BOINC -- can't justify the power expended for the results.

I couldn't find mine, it has been too long I guess, it was a month or so ago but anyway..., it is similar to what I found, long run times and not worth the electricity expended!

That's remarkably blase, if you don't mind my saying so. Less than a year ago a friend was using a 6 year old desktop, reasonably spec'd when bought, that was barely managing half that daily figure.
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Message 61541 - Posted: 2 Jun 2009, 10:34:58 UTC - in response to Message 61508.  
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I just got a Dell Mini9 netbook...Atom processor with 1gig ram and Windows XP.

Anyone have any stats on what I should expect if I run BOINC on it 24x7? Any computers that you have that I can look at... RAC stats?

Here's a Mini 9. It's been crunching rosetta exclusively for a while. About 100 credits/day on rosetta is what I'd expect.

I'm going to be taking this system off of BOINC -- can't justify the power expended for the results.

I couldn't find mine, it has been too long I guess, it was a month or so ago but anyway..., it is similar to what I found, long run times and not worth the electricity expended!

That's remarkably blase, if you don't mind my saying so. Less than a year ago a friend was using a 6 year old desktop, reasonably spec'd when bought, that was barely managing half that daily figure.


Ah but I personally have 17 computers currently crunching, 4 quad cores, 12 dual cores and 1 single core machine. The new Atom based cruncher just isn't up to snuff by comparison. The netbook just doesn't stand a chance of competing in my environment, therefore my decision and comment. If a netbook is all you have, by all means crunch with it, but after losing a laptop to Boinc several years ago, heat and the constant harddrive access killed it, I don't like to use laptops to crunch with. Although I am typing this on a laptop that is crunching. But it is a dual core, crunching with only one core, and sitting on a dual fan cooling thingy. It runs 24/7 anyway so it might as well be crunching. It is in the family room and my wife uses it mostly to surf the net while she watches tv. The laptop that died has been fixed, but it is now just a test machine for new Linux builds so I can test them before setting up the donated pc's for the foster kids at work.
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Message 61561 - Posted: 3 Jun 2009, 16:42:07 UTC - in response to Message 61541.  

...before setting up the donated pc's for the foster kids at work.

A work force of orphans running open source software on donated hardware. Interesting business model! ;)

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Message 61575 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 10:05:12 UTC - in response to Message 61561.  
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...before setting up the donated pc's for the foster kids at work.

A work force of orphans running open source software on donated hardware. Interesting business model! ;)


Nah I just work for a large local government and they have lots of kids they have taken from bad homes and placed, hopefully, in better ones. They have very little to call their own and of course want to be just every other kid. they go to school etc and need access to computers to do their homework, play games, etc. So we get donated computers, set them up as much as we can, they really are pretty minimal though, and put open source stuff on them and give them to the kids. It belongs to the kid then, it is theirs to keep forever. They have something to call their own, but like I said it is not the latest and greatest computer. Most have just 256 or 512 meg of ram, an under 30 gig hard drive and so far nothing above a single core cpu. Some donated machines are good for parts only, we get 233mhz machines etc sometimes. We strip them down and use the parts for other machines. We try to give out nothing less than a 1ghz machines right now, but we have given out 750ghz machines because they seem as fast as a 1ghz machine. The kid has nothing to start with and this is better than that. Last year I donated 10 pc's myself to the kids, this year I still have 2 or 3 they may get as I upgrade my own stuff. I don't actually for the section with the kids, I just like computers and kind of got dragged in when I did the webpage for the kids. Someone else does the webpage now though. We have been given laptops to fix up, some of those to are beyond fixing, but some are okay. It makes people happy, is not too hard and I enjoy helping.

I asked about putting Boinc on the pc's, but was told they belong to the kids so no we can't. I tried!
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Message 72292 - Posted: 13 Feb 2012, 18:48:09 UTC - in response to Message 61459.  

I just got a Dell Mini9 netbook...Atom processor with 1gig ram and Windows XP.

Anyone have any stats on what I should expect if I run BOINC on it 24x7? Any computers that you have that I can look at...RAC stats?

I see the netbook industry as crushing the traditional laptop industry by end of 2010 if not sooner (yes there will always be people who want a high powered laptop but for most of the public, they just want a nice thin laptop to check email, surf, upload some photos).

Anyway, any stats or help would be greatly appreciated!

-Eric


They don't pump out a lot, but every little bit helps. If you look at my stats (The_Saint_LDS), I've got my Dell Mini10n (linux) running basicaly 24/7 and you can see what to generally expect. XP might reduce it a hair, but probably not much.
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Message 72302 - Posted: 14 Feb 2012, 11:49:02 UTC - in response to Message 72292.  

I just got a Dell Mini9 netbook...Atom processor with 1gig ram and Windows XP.

Anyone have any stats on what I should expect if I run BOINC on it 24x7? Any computers that you have that I can look at...RAC stats?

I see the netbook industry as crushing the traditional laptop industry by end of 2010 if not sooner (yes there will always be people who want a high powered laptop but for most of the public, they just want a nice thin laptop to check email, surf, upload some photos).

Anyway, any stats or help would be greatly appreciated!

-Eric


They don't pump out a lot, but every little bit helps. If you look at my stats (The_Saint_LDS), I've got my Dell Mini10n (linux) running basicaly 24/7 and you can see what to generally expect. XP might reduce it a hair, but probably not much.


If you are using both cores make SURE you have a fan underneath the laptop, they don't last long, in my experience, if you don't!
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Message 72304 - Posted: 14 Feb 2012, 15:40:20 UTC

Ok so I joined not too long ago, I actually have 2 1U servers with atom processors the 330's dualcore with hyperthreading so its treated as 4 cores (I know its not really). Machine's also have 1.5 tb hd and 2gb ram. I had the same concerns regarding heat and 100% load...but this isn't a laptop, so I'm not so sure that the assumption about loads can be thrown out there as a blanket statement, as this was designed to be running 24-7/365.

The server that I'm running is with linux, and I leave it running for the majority of the night, turn it off for a few hours and fire it back up. Its a spare rig that Im using to do some labs with so I figured why not donate cpu power, how ever underwhelming it may be.
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Message 72317 - Posted: 15 Feb 2012, 23:20:19 UTC

"If you are using both cores make SURE you have a fan underneath the laptop, they don't last long, in my experience, if you don't!"

I keep thinking about the above statement and how to qualify it... the fact that the Intel Atom processor is soldered directly onto the motherboard has me questioning the effect of cpu loads at or hovering near 100% for lengthly durations. We can all infer that the electrical usage will be converted into heat in some way or another.

So if a laptop cooling stand works- that leads me to believe that the overall environment of the laptop is lacking in airflow, which can and does happen especially on a 100% load. But what about in a 1U server case??

This takes me to another related thought on my own setup- why would Intel approve a design from a reputable server OEM like Supermicro (the brand of my servers) to use an Atom processor??? The equipment I have is designed to be deployed as a firewall or other type of critical network infrastructure that must stay on 24/7 365.

In no way am I indicting the above mentioned logic in this thread. I'm really scratching my head and wondering if I have a ticking time bomb. FWIW I am getting decent numbers of tasks and credits etc...
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Message 72324 - Posted: 16 Feb 2012, 12:18:09 UTC - in response to Message 72317.  

"If you are using both cores make SURE you have a fan underneath the laptop, they don't last long, in my experience, if you don't!"

I keep thinking about the above statement and how to qualify it... the fact that the Intel Atom processor is soldered directly onto the motherboard has me questioning the effect of cpu loads at or hovering near 100% for lengthly durations. We can all infer that the electrical usage will be converted into heat in some way or another.

So if a laptop cooling stand works- that leads me to believe that the overall environment of the laptop is lacking in airflow, which can and does happen especially on a 100% load. But what about in a 1U server case??

This takes me to another related thought on my own setup- why would Intel approve a design from a reputable server OEM like Supermicro (the brand of my servers) to use an Atom processor??? The equipment I have is designed to be deployed as a firewall or other type of critical network infrastructure that must stay on 24/7 365.

In no way am I indicting the above mentioned logic in this thread. I'm really scratching my head and wondering if I have a ticking time bomb. FWIW I am getting decent numbers of tasks and credits etc...


Because even Servers do not work at 100% of their potential for long periods of time, Boinc DOES do that all day every day! The airflow thru a netbook, 1u server, etc is fine as long as the usage fluctuates so it has time to cool down, Boinc does not work that way. Boinc is designed to use 100% of your cpu 100% of the time, so if your Server is using 40% of the cpu then Boinc is using the other 60%. If your server is just hanging out at 3% then Boinc uses the other 97% of the free cpu time, and vice versa.
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Message 72349 - Posted: 17 Feb 2012, 20:06:20 UTC

Just keep in mind that BOINC preferences can be used to indicate some percentage LESS than 100% of CPU if you find heat, noise, disk activity or electricity to be a concern for you. You can control both the percentage of available cores, and of available CPU seconds.

So, by default, BOINC will use "UP TO" 100% of CPU (when there is no other regular priority work to be done), but it can be configured to use less.
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