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Message 64463 - Posted: 13 Dec 2009, 15:14:02 UTC

Very interesting.

Last year, I actually met Dr. Taufer at the University of Delaware, and discussed "Docking@Home".

Anyway, I see the article states:

Kevin Kreiser, a third-year graduate student in Taufer’s group, is developing the software for ExSciTecH (an immersive volunteer computing system to Explore Science, Technology, and Health), which will allow volunteers to “throw” a molecule right into a protein using a Nintendo Wii.


Don't know exactly what “throw” a molecule right into a protein exactly means, but I suspect that it is something very different that the computationally intensive "folding" that F@H does.

Would love to be wrong about this. Anything that will bring more people into DC is a good thing...
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Message 64464 - Posted: 13 Dec 2009, 17:43:03 UTC - in response to Message 64463.  

Very interesting.

Last year, I actually met Dr. Taufer at the University of Delaware, and discussed "Docking@Home".

Anyway, I see the article states:

Kevin Kreiser, a third-year graduate student in Taufer’s group, is developing the software for ExSciTecH (an immersive volunteer computing system to Explore Science, Technology, and Health), which will allow volunteers to “throw” a molecule right into a protein using a Nintendo Wii.


Don't know exactly what “throw” a molecule right into a protein exactly means, but I suspect that it is something very different that the computationally intensive "folding" that F@H does.

Would love to be wrong about this. Anything that will bring more people into DC is a good thing...


maybe its similar to the fold-it game
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Message 64466 - Posted: 13 Dec 2009, 19:28:48 UTC

Possibly.

If so, then its more like Distributed Thinking than Distributed Computing. My premise was the WII likely isn't strong enough cpu/gpu wise, and "open platform" enough to perform Distributed Computing in a meaningful way...
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Message 64467 - Posted: 13 Dec 2009, 21:42:59 UTC - in response to Message 64466.  

Possibly.

If so, then its more like Distributed Thinking than Distributed Computing. My premise was the WII likely isn't strong enough cpu/gpu wise, and "open platform" enough to perform Distributed Computing in a meaningful way...


if you find out please post
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Message 64468 - Posted: 13 Dec 2009, 21:56:08 UTC

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Message 64543 - Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 20:00:55 UTC

Seems like Dell and I were able to resolve our differences re alleged pricing error, and an XPS 9000 Intel Core i7 920 should be on its way...

As I wasn't certain that it was going to happen, finished buying up parts to build my own i7. So, that should be coming online also.

That will be 2 quadcores with hyperthreading, or 16 threads capable of running Boinc.

I'm not certain, but I thought I read somewhere that if you're going to use hyperthreading, its best to give the cpu a good mix of Boinc, rather than all the same project. Don't remember all the technical reasons, but just that to maximize hyperthreading, best for multiple projects, not all Rosie.

So, I haven't done so in awhile, but I guess I'll go take a look at all the new projects that have come on line, and make a list of all the projects I'm willing to allocate resources to, and then decide what the percentages will be.

So, with two i7 920's and my current q6600, thats 20 threads for Boinc'ing !

Rosie and Simap are my two favorites, and that will be reflected in my ultimate allocations...
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Message 64544 - Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 20:58:31 UTC

The main reason was just that some HT systems share a floating point processor for both of the virtual cores. Since R@h is so floating point intensive, this shared resource becomes a point of contention. A mix of applications, especially one that uses more integer arithmetic, would help utilize both cores while not overcommitting the shared floating point processor.

If the system is low on memory (i.e. less then about 1GB per core), then a mix of projects would also tend to include things that use less memory then R@h and avoid swapping and memory contention issues.
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Message 64546 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 0:26:01 UTC
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silly question, but is there a list somewhere (a thread here at Rosie, or external website) that would list which Boinc Projects play nice (i.e., more integer arithmetic, use less memory then R@h) on hyperthreaded cpu's?
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Message 64548 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 12:35:38 UTC - in response to Message 64546.  

silly question, but is there a list somewhere (a thread here at Rosie, or external website) that would list which Boinc Projects play nice (i.e., more integer arithmetic, use less memory then R@h) on hyperthreaded cpu's?


I do not know of one but hope someone does, this could get tedious otherwise!!
I run Malaria right now and it is using 155K for Malaria itself while Boinc Manager is using 13K, I am only running it one of the 2 cores on this laptop.
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Message 64555 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 18:30:19 UTC

The UBW is the only one I'm aware of that gives you a feel for the resources used.
http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Choosing_a_BOINC_Powered_Project
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Message 64559 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 23:49:22 UTC

Thanx!

Gonna be my first experiences with Win7 (64bit). Home Premium on one, Professional on the other.

Does it have the same (UAC - User Access Control) "problem" that Vista does? (i.e., won't automatically start Boinc upon a reboot)
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Message 64560 - Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 11:25:18 UTC - in response to Message 64559.  

Thanx!

Gonna be my first experiences with Win7 (64bit). Home Premium on one, Professional on the other.

Does it have the same (UAC - User Access Control) "problem" that Vista does? (i.e., won't automatically start Boinc upon a reboot)


Both of my 64 bit machines restart just fine after a reboot. I did go in and make them not ask for the account password during the setup though. I do that on all my machines, it seems silly to ask for a password when it is just the family here.
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Message 64561 - Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 11:26:39 UTC - in response to Message 64555.  

The UBW is the only one I'm aware of that gives you a feel for the resources used.
http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Choosing_a_BOINC_Powered_Project


Boy someone needs to go in and update that page! There are quite a few more Projects than are listed there, but it does provide the needed info for what is there.
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Message 64573 - Posted: 22 Dec 2009, 18:32:48 UTC - in response to Message 64560.  

Reboot itself isn't the issue, but the fact that Boinc won't restart once Windoze has.

Have to go through a UAC "rig-a-ma-row" to restart Boinc once Windoze is running.

Both of my 64 bit machines restart just fine after a reboot. I did go in and make them not ask for the account password during the setup though. I do that on all my machines, it seems silly to ask for a password when it is just the family here.

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Message 64581 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009, 10:27:48 UTC - in response to Message 64573.  

Reboot itself isn't the issue, but the fact that Boinc won't restart once Windoze has.

Have to go through a UAC "rig-a-ma-row" to restart Boinc once Windoze is running.

Both of my 64 bit machines restart just fine after a reboot. I did go in and make them not ask for the account password during the setup though. I do that on all my machines, it seems silly to ask for a password when it is just the family here.


Yes that is what I was talking about too, I have to do that on my main machine, which is 32 bit, but my 64bit machines don't have that problem.
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Message 64593 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009, 19:12:45 UTC

eta on dell xps 9000 (core i7 920) is 01-20-10.

just received the 60gb ocz vertex solid state drive, for my core i7 920 build. can't believe how small/light that thing is! there's nothing to it! and allegedly very energy efficient. hdd's are dead...
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Message 64595 - Posted: 25 Dec 2009, 12:09:48 UTC - in response to Message 64593.  

eta on dell xps 9000 (core i7 920) is 01-20-10.

just received the 60gb ocz vertex solid state drive, for my core i7 920 build. can't believe how small/light that thing is! there's nothing to it! and allegedly very energy efficient. hdd's are dead...


Actually I think their demise might be held up just a little bit, the ssd's are NOT cheap yet, but are getting less expensive. The cost of the hdd's are dropping every day so yes I think it will happen, just not yet. I actually got a 64gb ssd last year for about 100 dollars US and I put that in my netbook so I could test different OS's and not worry about the OS that came with it, Windows XP Home. The netbook is currently running Win7 Beta. I have not found a Linux OS I like that supports all the things it can do. I have tried Ubuntu, Mint and half a dozen others but either the wireless doesn't work, the camera doesn't work or something else doesn't work. I will keep looking though! I want to try the new Google OS but haven't found a download for it yet. I have an Asus 1000HA and have upgraded to 2 gig of ram already, so Win7 runs just fine but the screen won't go beyond 1024 x 600 so it looks funky.

I got some money for Christmas so I may work on building my own i7 here shortly.
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Message 64598 - Posted: 26 Dec 2009, 1:17:22 UTC

it has been stated that only Win 7 supports the ssd TRIM command. supposedly coming to linux "soon". so, i'm going with win 7 pro...

Boinc can always use as many i7's as we can get !

merry xmas one and all !!!
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Message 64618 - Posted: 29 Dec 2009, 0:08:12 UTC

here's a large tin of fresh deep frozen krill for your holidays pengy.
here's to 2010.
going to install microspy 7 now are you?
good luck with that.
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Message 64797 - Posted: 4 Jan 2010, 21:48:08 UTC

A very Happy New Year to all!
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