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Message 54548 - Posted: 17 Jul 2008, 0:09:46 UTC - in response to Message 54545.  

Sorry no option to delete post. Should have paid closer attentio to previous post.

Sure there is :-)
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Message 54551 - Posted: 17 Jul 2008, 13:12:24 UTC - in response to Message 54548.  

Sorry no option to delete post. Should have paid closer attentio to previous post.

Sure there is :-)
You can edit your post to no text, it will be self deleted.

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You can only edit your own posts, and only for an hour after it is originally posted. Moderators can edit without time limit, but again, only their own posts.

Note that the post saying KWSN couldn't edit is their first post to the boards. They were signed on with one KWSN ID while thinking about the post of another KWSN ID. So, that was "someone else's" post as well.
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Message 54554 - Posted: 17 Jul 2008, 13:32:57 UTC - in response to Message 54551.  
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...and the next

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I was team founder, now it's nothing to see of them. Long time ago, i've checked this death team. But this.

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Message 54555 - Posted: 17 Jul 2008, 16:09:24 UTC - in response to Message 54554.  

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I was team founder, now it's nothing to see of them. Long time ago, i've checked this death team. But this.

Mentioned BOINC-wide team "Shadowland" had a credit loss (~44,000 C$T) around March/April 2008. Just the Predictor team was left, something is missing. Which project did you mean?

On Rosetta, you were member of team ID=31 (now Seti-Leipzig) (03 Sep 2007 - 21 Dec 2007) and left there 179,127 C$T - a different amount than the mising one. On the same day 21 Dec 2007 you've joined team ID=144 (now Rechenkraft.net), so I suppose it was on your own will.

So, which project(s)? (You are active on more projects.)

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Message 54561 - Posted: 18 Jul 2008, 0:55:21 UTC - in response to Message 54365.  

I just made them aware of this in their forum ;)

http://www.spacefamily.czeweb.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=184

I bet they consider your unsolicited post as spam. How rude.
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Message 54563 - Posted: 18 Jul 2008, 5:37:46 UTC

Looks like another of the still crunching Czechs (martin) has just left Teddies for Space Family....leaves us with one Czech cruncher and a few dead/bounced Czechs still in Teddies....
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Message 54598 - Posted: 21 Jul 2008, 17:00:59 UTC - in response to Message 54536.  
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David, what about setting also the hi-jacked Czech Boinc Team a.k.a. Space Family a.k.a. (possibly) XM Satellite Radio team and (dag's?) xx team free?

And finally renaming MrPetan's xxx to Space Family?

please compile a list of teams with ids along with the original teams and founders (with ids) along with proof of the takeover and removal of team members.

I'll try to replicate Rosetta's properties of Space Family history to Ralph.

Ralph's team with ID=13 was "dissolved" on 10 Jan 2008 (7 remaining members), a day before Barbar appeared: as you can see, PoorBoy was member of the team until 19 Aug 2006 and created most (again nearly 100%) of its credit. According to the WayBackMachine Internet Archive query, which stored 3 Ralph's Top teams lists (sorted by total credit), e.g. the Top Teams list from 26.6.2006, Top Teams list from 8.2.2007 and Top Teams list from 6.5.2007, team "Free-DC" did have ID 13 and was relaxing on top three positions according to the total credit.

You can also compare following two BoincStats' statistics graphs:

From Detailed statistics for "PoorBoy":


From Detailed statistics for team with ID=13 (a.k.a. "Space Family"):


Again, any obvious match?

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Please, excuse me, no pun intended - but somehow Space Family accomodates very good in PoorBoy's former teams :-)

I've no idea about the foundership of Free-DC team, but as its former members are still actively around, I'd leave it on them to vote and contact David E Kim accordingly. BTW, there is already one small replacement team with desperate former Free-DC members, but I believe they will likely agree to rename it and come back into their home team.

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Message 54599 - Posted: 22 Jul 2008, 0:35:58 UTC - in response to Message 54555.  
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I was team founder, now it's nothing to see of them. Long time ago, i've checked this death team. But this.

Mentioned BOINC-wide team "Shadowland" had a credit loss (~44,000 C$T) around March/April 2008. Just the Predictor team was left, something is missing. Which project did you mean?

On Rosetta, you were member of team ID=31 (now Seti-Leipzig) (03 Sep 2007 - 21 Dec 2007) and left there 179,127 C$T - a different amount than the mising one. On the same day 21 Dec 2007 you've joined team ID=144 (now Rechenkraft.net), so I suppose it was on your own will.

So, which project(s)? (You are active on more projects.)

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Team "Shadowland" was a Team only for me between "GermanFunClan" and "Seti-Leipzig". I was the 100% of all members ;). If you can, please check my rosetta points in this time. If you want, you can delete this team, but it isn`t good that hi-jackers will go away with this earned points.

That all and worry enough with this peoples.
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Message 54604 - Posted: 22 Jul 2008, 13:45:40 UTC - in response to Message 54599.  

Mentioned BOINC-wide team "Shadowland" had a credit loss (~44,000 C$T) around March/April 2008. Just the Predictor team was left, something is missing. Which project did you mean?

On Rosetta, you were member of team ID=31 (now Seti-Leipzig) (03 Sep 2007 - 21 Dec 2007) and left there 179,127 C$T - a different amount than the mising one. On the same day 21 Dec 2007 you've joined team ID=144 (now Rechenkraft.net), so I suppose it was on your own will.

So, which project(s)?

Team "Shadowland" was a Team only for me between "GermanFunClan" and "Seti-Leipzig". I was the 100% of all members ;). If you can, please check my rosetta points in this time.

OK, found one more team ID=5545 (now GermanFunClan.net) (25 Apr 2007 - 09 Jun 2007), you have earned 21,556 C$T for it.

So, there are your few known Rosetta periods:
25 Apr 2007 - 09 Jun 2007: GermanFunClan.net
09 Jun 2007 - 03 Sep 2007: ??????? (39,787 C$T - 21,709 C$T = 18,078 C$T earned)
03 Sep 2007 - 21 Dec 2007: Seti-Leipzig
21 Dec 2007 - 22 Jul 2008: Rechenkraft.net

There are 3 missing months, when you possibly were teamless, or in the mentioned team "Shadowland" and left there a copy of your 18,078 C$T. But I've no idea how to find out its team ID. Available Rosetta archive files (which I've found) do not list the team (yet), they are apparently older. Could you find any older bookmark to this team's stats, or screenshot or saved web page, where the team ID could be stored?.

If you want, you can delete this team, but it isn`t good that hi-jackers will go away with this earned points.

I can not, I' just a plain user. Additionally, teams are not meant to be deleted. They are a history. There is no such management function for it available. Their names must be secured with other means (maybe on some "Team History" subpage).

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Message 54620 - Posted: 22 Jul 2008, 23:30:17 UTC

I nominate Pepo as a new Moderator :-)
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Message 54621 - Posted: 23 Jul 2008, 1:46:08 UTC - in response to Message 54620.  

I nominate Pepo as a new Moderator :-)

Even then I could not find or delete schatten1411's old team :-)

No way, I decline, I know next to nothing about the underlying science, I'd have to take it much more seriously :-D
With my posts count? And AFAIK Rosetta's mods are virtual, aren't they?

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Message 54622 - Posted: 23 Jul 2008, 2:05:19 UTC - in response to Message 54604.  

There are 3 missing months, when you possibly were teamless, or in the mentioned team "Shadowland" and left there a copy of your 18,078 C$T. But I've no idea how to find out its team ID. Available Rosetta archive files (which I've found) do not list the team (yet), they are apparently older. Could you find any older bookmark to this team's stats, or screenshot or saved web page, where the team ID could be stored?.


If you want, you can delete this team, but it isn`t good that hi-jackers will go away with this earned points.

I can not, I' just a plain user. Additionally, teams are not meant to be deleted. They are a history. There is no such management function for it available. Their names must be secured with other means (maybe on some "Team History" subpage).

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Thats a problem, then i have currently no idea where i can find these. But i believe in wonders. If i have it, i will find you. But, when the teams must secure, i can`t understand, that someone can delete this.

So long, i thank you.
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Message 54627 - Posted: 23 Jul 2008, 9:09:50 UTC


My team's founder stopped crunching last year. So, properly paranoid after reading this thread, I clicked on Request Foundership, to help avoid having our team stolen.

I hope the present founder becomes informed of my request and declines to allow the transfer. But I'm not hopeful.

Otherwise, if I get the Foundership, I know I'll be there to intercept and scrutinize future Foundership Requests -- especially if performed by someone who just joined the team five minutes ago.

Certainly, if Foundership is requested by an interested, at-least-occasionally-contributing member, I will be delighted to hand it over.

OK, I've also sent a PM to the Founder, with an explanation of why I did a Request Foundership, including a link to this thread.

But I wonder: Has anything changed with the Request Foundership procedure, yet? As far as I can tell, I'm going to be offered the Foundership in 60 days. Wasn't that too easy?

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Message 54628 - Posted: 23 Jul 2008, 10:58:24 UTC - in response to Message 54620.  

I nominate Pepo as a new Moderator :-)

Not possible.........Pepo is far too active and helpful :P

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Message 54633 - Posted: 23 Jul 2008, 13:26:40 UTC - in response to Message 54622.  

There are 3 missing months, when you possibly were teamless, or in the mentioned team "Shadowland" and left there a copy of your 18,078 C$T. But I've no idea how to find out its team ID. Available Rosetta archive files (which I've found) do not list the team (yet), they are apparently older. Could you find any older bookmark to this team's stats, or screenshot or saved web page, where the team ID could be stored?.

If you want, you can delete this team, but it isn`t good that hi-jackers will go away with this earned points.

I can not, I' just a plain user. Additionally, teams are not meant to be deleted. They are a history. There is no such management function for it available. Their names must be secured with other means (maybe on some "Team History" subpage).


Thats a problem, then i have currently no idea where i can find these. But i believe in wonders. If i have it, i will find you. But, when the teams must secure, i can`t understand, that someone can delete this.

I've heard rumours, that it could be the team ID=5961, during 11 Jun 2007 - 03 Sep 2007. The problem is, that such team does not exist anymore in project's DB and in the most recent available team export I've found, from 03-Mar-2007 14:53, the team is not yet there. Apparently the team must have been deleted from the project DB sometimes.

Just to summarize your teamship:

25 Apr 2007 - 09 Jun 2007: GermanFunClan.net
10 Jun 2007 - 10 Jun 2007: (no tem)
11 Jun 2007 - 03 Sep 2007: ???????
03 Sep 2007 - 21 Dec 2007: Seti-Leipzig
21 Dec 2007 - 23 Jul 2008: Rechenkraft.net

I'm afraid my miracles do end here. Sorry to say so :-(

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Message 54649 - Posted: 25 Jul 2008, 13:52:11 UTC

I think a perfect fix for this problem is to block changing the name of a team after it has been around for 1 month. This will give plenty of time to make sure the name of the team is correct and nobody will want to change the name for any other reason than to hijack the points. Once a name is established on alot of projects the stat sites show team totals and because some projects shut down and you can't access the site, you wouldn't want to change the name of a team because your total team stats would then be split between two names, the ones you changed and the ones you couldn't change.
Check out the forum for Canada the #1 Canadian team.

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Message 54650 - Posted: 25 Jul 2008, 15:25:47 UTC - in response to Message 54649.  

I think a perfect fix for this problem is to block changing the name of a team after it has been around for 1 month. This will give plenty of time to make sure the name of the team is correct and nobody will want to change the name for any other reason than to hijack the points.

I personally do not agree. It could happen my team MyCityTeam agrees with a bunch of teamles people from around MyTown and we decide to change the team name accordingly - MyAreaTeam. Otherwise they'll build their own team MyAreaTeam and leave me alone :-(

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Message 54655 - Posted: 25 Jul 2008, 19:19:07 UTC - in response to Message 54650.  
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I personally do not agree. It could happen my team MyCityTeam agrees with a bunch of teamles people from around MyTown and we decide to change the team name accordingly - MyAreaTeam. Otherwise they'll build their own team MyAreaTeam and leave me alone :-(

Peter

And what happens on the projects that are shut down? You may not be able to change the team name so your points will be lost on the team stat sites who go by the name.
Check out the forum for Canada the #1 Canadian team.

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Message 54659 - Posted: 25 Jul 2008, 21:17:12 UTC - in response to Message 54655.  

I personally do not agree. It could happen my team MyCityTeam agrees with a bunch of teamless people from around MyTown and we decide to change the team name accordingly - MyAreaTeam. Otherwise they'll build their own team MyAreaTeam and leave us alone :-(

And what happens on the projects that are shut down? You may not be able to change the team name so your points will be lost on the team stat sites who go by the name.

I know. That's life and its history. Farewell... (Maybe some Cross-project-BOINC-wide-team-IDs will exist at the time? ;-)

But I could change my teams' name few years later, if I had a good reason for it. Without bothering ... 137? :-) project admins to allow it for me :-D

And if I'd once surprisingly (possibly because my notification email got lost back then) notice, that my team's name disappeared, and on my team's history page I'd read "User "Qwerty" got team ownership on 17.7.2016, changed the team name to "The WowTeam" on 19.7.2016, kicked me and other members off the team on 20.7.2011", I'd have a very good reason to politely ask project's admin to kick his @$$ off my team. I believe such publicly accessible log page would let any hijacker carefully decide at least five times, whether he really wants to try it.

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Message 54665 - Posted: 26 Jul 2008, 11:13:10 UTC

Another good reason for a name change is project diversification.

Start a team @Einstein with the name of "Gravitation Nerds", after some time you want to do more astro stuff and start over @Cosmo, Milky, BRaTS, Orbit, perhaps even Seti and want to change the name accordingly to "Astronomical Nerds". Then, some time further down the road, you want to go BOINC wide, and want to change again to something along "Distributed Nerds". Imho all those changes are valid, and should be possible. They should not be possible necessary with just one click, security tops convenience, but it should be possible nevertheless.
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