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Message 38101 - Posted: 21 Mar 2007, 19:50:57 UTC

Hello !

I'd just like to make a suggestion concerning the workunit's graphics.
Some of them contain a text, explaining what the workunit is actually doing (e.g. "a low resolution search followed by a full atom refinement").
I think it would be great if every workunit could contain this text within the graphics, and it would be even greater if the text could mention about the science it's working on (HIV, Alzheimer, ...)

Thank you.
Duanra.
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Message 38115 - Posted: 22 Mar 2007, 2:16:09 UTC

DITTO!!!
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Message 38139 - Posted: 22 Mar 2007, 19:11:46 UTC

I third that.

One of the things that make Rosetta so appealing is how transparent and accessible the scientific team is. But it is mostly on these message boards..

I'm sure that added a bit more information and context to all WUs would spread that benefit to the majority of crunchers who are not on these message boards.
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Message 38174 - Posted: 23 Mar 2007, 15:33:16 UTC

A while back I put a suggestion to use the 'stupid waste of space slide show area on the SimpleGUI' to the boinc dev team for something useful, for example putting the rosetta's text info there. It would then may be sread to other projects as well...
That never happend and I have no idea how to go about implementing it, though I have looked.

afaik with rosetta it is up to the 'current project team' to put the text there when they load them up on to the server. I guess not all do in practice.
So yes it would be very nice (to reitterate this post and previous posts) for all people to do it :D
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Message 38180 - Posted: 23 Mar 2007, 20:45:58 UTC
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Actually, I'd like to suggest that Rosetta make backups of your data, everytime you shut down the program or once every ___ minutes. This is in the case that some data gets corrupted, either due to a computer crash or some other issue.

However, it can be difficult to get your suggestions heard by the developers, no?

And yeah, it'd be interesting to see what exactly they're working on. After all, staring at a bunch of graphics doesn't do much for increasing my knowledge. :p
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Message 38201 - Posted: 24 Mar 2007, 0:55:22 UTC

We've had a number of changes made to Rosetta thanks to our suggestions in the past. So they do watch our conversations on problems and suggested improvements and sometimes incorporate them into the Rosetta client. I.e. let us make a suggestion, watch others point out failings of that suggestion, and others come forward with suggestions to overcome the mentioned failings.
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Message 38261 - Posted: 24 Mar 2007, 22:05:30 UTC

Ooh, that's good news. :)

Btw, don't you wish for a setting under General settings, that allows you to make choices like: If cpu load is more than or equal to ____%, run Boinc at ____%. (Or just maybe, this suggestion is defunct if BOINC already possesses similar capabilities.)

Also, some layman explanations of the labels like Steps, Models and how some of this data is related to one another, would be great. :)
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Message 38291 - Posted: 25 Mar 2007, 5:06:59 UTC - in response to Message 38101.  

Hello !

I'd just like to make a suggestion concerning the workunit's graphics.
Some of them contain a text, explaining what the workunit is actually doing (e.g. "a low resolution search followed by a full atom refinement").
I think it would be great if every workunit could contain this text within the graphics, and it would be even greater if the text could mention about the science it's working on (HIV, Alzheimer, ...)

Thank you.
Duanra.



I agree, and I will reemphasize to my coworkers that the description text should always be present. thank you for the suggestion.
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Message 38317 - Posted: 25 Mar 2007, 9:13:15 UTC - in response to Message 38291.  

Hello !

I'd just like to make a suggestion concerning the workunit's graphics.
Some of them contain a text, explaining what the workunit is actually doing (e.g. "a low resolution search followed by a full atom refinement").
I think it would be great if every workunit could contain this text within the graphics, and it would be even greater if the text could mention about the science it's working on (HIV, Alzheimer, ...)

Thank you.
Duanra.



I agree, and I will reemphasize to my coworkers that the description text should always be present. thank you for the suggestion.


I agree on this as well, it would be nice to have descriptions in laymans terms of what the work units are doing, either here in the cafe, similar to the active work units thread or some short explanation in the graphics window.
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Message 45484 - Posted: 26 Aug 2007, 18:28:09 UTC

Hello !

Well... looks like this has been a little forgotten lately...
Since the appearance of the "beta" app, in fact.
No doubt scientists and informaticians are putting their best efforts in making an excellent science application.

But PLEASE do not forget "simple" crunchers (like me) who'd very much like to know why and for what they actually are crunching !

Just let us now if it's for Alzheimer, cancer or whatever else.
Not something like "ab initio followed by full-atom refinement"... I think we nearly all know this (if not, just read the "graphics explanation" section).
Or worse...... nothing at all !

Thanks in advance.
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Message 45488 - Posted: 26 Aug 2007, 19:46:09 UTC
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duanra, I wouldn't say your suggestion went unheard or unnoticed. I think it is more just that it isn't as simple as naming one disease that a given task will help studying.

Let's look at the last update in the version log for example.

This version fixes another bug in high resolution modeling of RNA; due to a rather arcane issue, certain RNA hydrogen bonds were not being scored properly.

We will also be testing a new procedure for closing chainbreaks that should lead to faster recognition that a protein structure is completely wacky, and allow your computer to go on to simulating a new conformation quickly. More efficient, hopefully!


"completely wacky" is a non-scientific way of describing the 98% of the models that are not going in a direction that is likely to have a low energy outcome.

And as for the rest of it, high res. RNA models, scoring or RNA hydrogen bonds, these pertain to ANY RNA that you run Rosetta against. So which RNA they use to verify that they have improved the scoring algorythm doesn't really describe the work they are doing.

"new procedure for closing chainbreaks", this pertains to any protein that they apply the chainbreak algorythms to. Again, which proteins they use to verify they've truely improved the program does not describe the true improvement.

When they were able to specifically mark tasks as related to the HIV work they did, and they told us about it. When they were sending out tasks related to predictions for CASP7, they put CASP in the WU names. And the results of the CASP runs, "accuracy that is unprecedented" was later provided.

Rest assured that helping develop the Rosetta program, you are helping ALL of those diseases, and many others. Even the seasonal flu virus and avian flu.

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Message 45493 - Posted: 26 Aug 2007, 19:53:32 UTC

Thanks for your quick answer, Mod. Sense !

I must admit that I didn't know (or had forgotten... same result !) about this particular aspect of developping the rosetta app.
Sorry about that !

So let them just not forget to put some explanation when it eventually (one day) comes to a specific disease.

Thanks again.
Duanra
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