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Message 29498 - Posted: 17 Oct 2006, 8:10:17 UTC

hi all,

everything used to work fine, but now since a few days rosetta (or boinc) does not always suspend when the screen saver is interrupted (by moving the mouse).

Looking in the logs, it actually says "Suspending network activity - user is active" (as it should) but the CPU keeps burning 100% on the "rosetta_5.32_wi" process with no end in sight.

It didnt used to do this, but its doing it now
I need to terminate the process in order for the CPU to stop working.
It does not always do this, i estimate this to happen about 50% of the cases

Has anybody else seen this happen?
Any suggestions?

Is killing the process doing damage to the workload?


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Message 29502 - Posted: 17 Oct 2006, 9:12:37 UTC - in response to Message 29498.  
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First question always drilling home is the OS, BOINC Version, Antivirus, Firewall.
Second question: Did u do a search on the forum for the keyword 'screensaver'.....

Killing a process mid-flight could cause damage to the WU depending on what it happened to do at the moment....if e.g. during checkpoint writing, it could cause the loss of the recovery point and make it start all over.

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Message 29504 - Posted: 17 Oct 2006, 10:11:13 UTC - in response to Message 29502.  
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First question always drilling home is the OS, BOINC Version, Antivirus, Firewall.


I agree - and it's doubleplus important when the question is posted by someone with hidden computers.

There can bre good reasons for hiding computers (eg some employers insist on it as a condition of running BOINC @ work), but in the absence of such reasons it really does help others to answer your q if we can see your computers.

Some people hide their boxes because they are not sure what info others will find - let me reassure you we can't see your IP addresses etc even if you unhide. To see what is revealed to strangers, click on my name to the left of this post, then click on the view computers link, then click on one of my computers. Notice what info is shown, and more importantly what info is not shown there.

If you'd be happy for us to see the equivalent info about your computer(s), please unhide them - for a few weeks at least while we ponder you question.

The does not suspend problem arises on some projects when running under win 95, 98, or Me - Is this relevant to you ? The issue I am thinking of does not arise with win 2k or XP.

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Message 29505 - Posted: 17 Oct 2006, 10:45:27 UTC
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sorry - i didn't mean for you guys to get all worked up, there i made my computer visible, please don't shoot me

and no, i didnt think of doing a search for screensaver because the screensaver itself behaves just fine (and terminates as its supposed to) - its the number-crunching-process which keeps on going.

i'm behind a company firewall of which i have no idea what it is.
i dont have any firewall software on my machine installed, the only security-related program locally running is Symantec Antivirus.

I have weeks to install anything new, or make any system-wide changes to my OS.
This problem is new - started this week afaik

I'm running Win2K SP4
[Edit] Boinc is 5.4.9 - libcurl/7.15.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8a zlib/1.2.3[/edit]

again, my apologies for not being more precise
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Message 29525 - Posted: 17 Oct 2006, 17:34:58 UTC
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sorry if I sounded a bit fierce before...

I don't know of any problems specific to win2k that would cause this (win2k is the win os I still use most, and I have not experienced this problem).

A couple of elementary points - you have still got No next to "run while computer in use" in your settings?

And you didn't accidentally change venue by mistake?

And is it actually slowing down the computer visibly? (Some people can';t tell when BOINC is running, as it has such a low priority, other users find that the keyboard has noticeable delays, etc)

Instead of killing the Roseta task, you may like to stop BOINC (open the manager and click file->exit) and see if this solves the problem for now. If so you have a work-around that will preserve more of your work than your current response.

See if restarting BOINC brings the problem back immediately, or only when the s/s has run again?

Finally: did this problem arise immediately after installing a win update? If so it might be that the win malicious software removal kit has decided to hide your keyboard from BOINC. Some anti virus software does do this already, as intercepting keystrokes is an indicator of some kinds of malice (eg password stealing).

I have seen a fix for this whe it occurs with a virus checker, but can't remember where - anyone else remember?


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Message 29623 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 7:46:21 UTC - in response to Message 29525.  

sorry if I sounded a bit fierce before...

I don't know of any problems specific to win2k that would cause this (win2k is the win os I still use most, and I have not experienced this problem).

A couple of elementary points - you have still got No next to "run while computer in use" in your settings?

And you didn't accidentally change venue by mistake?

And is it actually slowing down the computer visibly? (Some people can';t tell when BOINC is running, as it has such a low priority, other users find that the keyboard has noticeable delays, etc)

Instead of killing the Roseta task, you may like to stop BOINC (open the manager and click file->exit) and see if this solves the problem for now. If so you have a work-around that will preserve more of your work than your current response.

See if restarting BOINC brings the problem back immediately, or only when the s/s has run again?

Finally: did this problem arise immediately after installing a win update? If so it might be that the win malicious software removal kit has decided to hide your keyboard from BOINC. Some anti virus software does do this already, as intercepting keystrokes is an indicator of some kinds of malice (eg password stealing).

I have seen a fix for this whe it occurs with a virus checker, but can't remember where - anyone else remember?


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using "exit" from the menu seems to clean up nicely - at least now there's no need to terminate the process.
After restarting the boinc application activity is suspended and it doesnt use CPU.

I haven't changed anything since the initial installation many many months ago

its not slowing down the computer at all - but i suspect this to be because of the dual core cpu i have - boinc keeps one core busy while the other works for me. I notice its behaviour though the task-manager which shows 50% usage.
But it never was this way - it always suspended after i touched the mouse.

I dont know if the virusscanner is to blame but boinc clearly logs "Suspending network activity - user is active" so it receives the interrupt.

then why isn't it suspending the process?

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Message 29649 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 18:08:23 UTC - in response to Message 29623.  


its not slowing down the computer at all - but i suspect this to be because of the dual core cpu i have - boinc keeps one core busy while the other works for me. I notice its behaviour though the task-manager which shows 50% usage.


OK, two more things to think about not directly answering your question:

1/ if you have two cpus, are you letting boinc use both? (setting in general preferences) - this will increase your crunching

2/ if after enabling two cpus, you see task manager showing 100% usage, but the computer still does not slow down noticably, then I'd suggest setting Do work while computer in use to Yes and forgetting the issue.

Coming back to your question, if it is suspending the net and not the tasks and you have swdinitely set do work while computer in use = no then it does begin to sound to me like a possible bug in a new boinc client or in a recent Rosetta app.
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