As such, if someone calls me slavedriver, they are making an implication that I am a part of the group of people who did that.

You are really that old ? Blimey ! What you are saying is ridiculous, you are a victim of PC, in that we should all be guilty for our forebears deeds!

White male is important because as an educated person


Black/Hispanic/Chinese males are not educated ?


Not at all what I said and you know it.

The inference is there if I choose to take umbrage and as a black person the fact you need to state your whiteness and your education level comes across as quite racist !

Carl : as the direct decendant of an African Slave ( my great grand dad on my paternal grand mother side) and as a Hispanic I can understand your feelings. But alas, racism is a two way street. People on both sides of the fences have been guilty of it. I know I have and I am not proud of it.

So that said... this is off topic.

mmciastro and Jose, now I'm curious what your solutions are. I have slight doubts that they are identical though. ;-)

OK, here's the solution. As a cancer patient who doesn't work a 9-5 job, I have lots of time I can choose to allocate to whatever I choose. It appears Jose does as well. Make Jose a moderator, and my myself a moderator. Jose will then delete every single post that doesn't line up exactly with what his vision of this project should be. Then I will delete every post that supports his views/side of any issue.

What would be left is only the posts that can't conceivably be leaned one way or another. Posts by newbies asking for help would probably make it through both filters and that's what we really only need to see/respond to anyway.

tony

As such, if someone calls me slavedriver, they are making an implication that I am a part of the group of people who did that.

You are really that old ? Blimey ! What you are saying is ridiculous, you are a victim of PC, in that we should all be guilty for our forebears deeds!

White male is important because as an educated person


Black/Hispanic/Chinese males are not educated ?


Not at all what I said and you know it.

The inference is there if I choose to take umbrage and as a black person the fact you need to state your whiteness and your education level comes across as quite racist !

The sentence only means what you imply if it is cut off precisely where you cut it. Perhaps It should have read: The words "white male" are important because as a person who knows the history of my own country...

I did not mean to irk anyone. I simply meant that if someone used that word to describe me, it would be picking out qualities that I have no control over.

I am not a victim of PC here. We are all victims of the past and the present that others in the past have created for us.

My Great Grand Mother owned slaves. In 1872 as part of the last drive n Puerto Rico to free slaves, this white woman from Galicia that moved to the southern coast of Puerto Rico ( Her Name was Sara Viera) married her last slave. And the rest is familly history.


Ah and yes I have been called a slave-driver by the people whose jobs I supervised. That was the kindest comment they used to make against me...other were less charitable as they involved my maternal blood line.

So... Jose Has Spoken , the Cause is ended. ( Ioseph locust, causa finita est.) Man I hope my really bad use of Latin doesn't offend someone :)

mmciastro and Jose, now I'm curious what your solutions are. I have slight doubts that they are identical though. ;-)

OK, here's the solution. As a cancer patient who doesn't work a 9-5 job, I have lots of time I can choose to allocate to whatever I choose. It appears Jose does as well. Make Jose a moderator, and my myself a moderator. Jose will then delete every single post that doesn't line up exactly with what his vision of this project should be. Then I will delete every post that supports his views/side of any issue.

What would be left is only the posts that can't conceivably be leaned one way or another. Posts by newbies asking for help would probably make it through both filters and that's what we really only need to see/respond to anyway.

tony

That's great! mmciastro you're the best (really)!

Posts by newbies asking for help would probably make it through both filters and that's what we really only need to see/respond to anyway.

Well, I guess I have to agree with that.

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mmciastro and Jose, now I'm curious what your solutions are. I have slight doubts that they are identical though. ;-)

OK, here's the solution. As a cancer patient who doesn't work a 9-5 job, I have lots of time I can choose to allocate to whatever I choose. It appears Jose does as well. Make Jose a moderator, and my myself a moderator. Jose will then delete every single post that doesn't line up exactly with what his vision of this project should be. Then I will delete every post that supports his views/side of any issue.

What would be left is only the posts that can't conceivably be leaned one way or another. Posts by newbies asking for help would probably make it through both filters and that's what we really only need to see/respond to anyway.

tony

Tony: my first act as a moderator would be to ban you, so I don't think this would work . :)

Yes Ban..As I hold you personally responsible for all the bad blood that has emanated in this forum You were the proximal and formal cause of all the mess that has transpired here.

Then the second ban would be to a moderator whose apology I am still waiting for.

Oh yes I am authoritarian as authoritarian can be. :)

But the way I see it, my animus towards you and that moderator is well justified and calls for the xtreme action I would use. So It would be a fair use of authority. The difference is that before I would ban you I would submit you to what in Medieval Times was known as the "Chapter Of Faults".

Man: I sound like some of the moderators here :)

RE: Making Jose a moderator... let's do that. Jose, identify the posts in your thread here which require deletion for taunting others, name calling, and being off-topic. There's 70 posts in here. And only about 2 or 3 ideas express about annonymous moderators.

In fact, if you were faced with the realization that this thread has degraded into nothing on-topic anymore... and had to pick the posts that represent the topic and start a new thread... and move them one at a time, which message IDs would you preserve?

[edit] You, as moderator, have no Ban feature. You can only delete, move or manually copy content in to a new post that you create yourself.

It is ironic that the first thing you wanted to do as moderator was to ban certain posters.

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Posts by newbies asking for help would probably make it through both filters and that's what we really only need to see/respond to anyway.

Well, I guess I have to agree with that.

That is bias in favor of newbies :)

RE: Making Jose a moderator... let's do that. Jose, identify the posts in your thread here which require deletion for taunting others, name calling, and being off-topic. There's 70 posts in here. And only about 2 or 3 ideas express about annonymous moderators.

In fact, if you were faced with the realization that this thread has degraded into nothing on-topic anymore... and had to pick the posts that represent the topic and start a new thread... and move them one at a time, which message IDs would you preserve?

I am not as uptight as many of you are with on topic vs off topic thing . I favor the Socratic method so my style would be more tolerant on that issue. So I wouldn't delete nor move any of the posts here: Except those of Tony but for the reasons I said before: As G-D is my witness and personal saviour and judge I believe Tony should be banned. ( Sounds harsh but that is what I believe is the just rewards for all his previous , current and possible future rabblesousing .

Sense, I am still waiting for the moderator that flamed me to apologize. I would like his posts on that thread deleted. Since I wouldn't move any post out of this thread: Can I do that: Ban DE until he apologizes to me? Move his posts out of that thread and hide them?

Posts by newbies asking for help would probably make it through both filters and that's what we really only need to see/respond to anyway.

Well, I guess I have to agree with that.

That is bias in favor of newbies :)

People notice the smilie.

Mod.Sense....You are trying to arrange the flowers in the garden in neat rows, they are not naturally like that. Topics change and grow.

The problems you face are...

1) The forum is not big enough to allow normal growth without interferring with informative threads.

2) The tools you have to work with are inadequate.

3) The gardeners are trying to make the plants grow in an unnatural way, their constant interference will not only inhibit but may kill the garden!

4) The gardeners keep trying to be plants !

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Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

Tony was and is sampling facts and figures.
Hes presenting them in a very good readable fashion (but he could perhaps sometimes do with a link, for the tables were sometimes a bit thread stretching).

May I deduce from your aversion against Tony, that you don't like to be bothered with facts?

Posts by newbies asking for help would probably make it through both filters and that's what we really only need to see/respond to anyway.

Well, I guess I have to agree with that.

That is bias in favor of newbies :)

People notice the smilie.

I did, that's one reason I think my plan would work. I know you really believe in your cause. I know XS MM also cares. You both wouldn't be so vocal if you didn't care. We both care about those who are in need of help in running the project.

RE: Making Jose a moderator... let's do that. Jose, identify the posts in your thread here which require deletion for taunting others, name calling, and being off-topic. There's 70 posts in here. And only about 2 or 3 ideas express about annonymous moderators.

In fact, if you were faced with the realization that this thread has degraded into nothing on-topic anymore... and had to pick the posts that represent the topic and start a new thread... and move them one at a time, which message IDs would you preserve?

[edit] You, as moderator, have no Ban feature. You can only delete, move or manually copy content in to a new post that you create yourself.

It is ironic that the first thing you wanted to do as moderator was to ban certain posters.

Not ironic , Just.

I hold Tony personally responsible for the starting of the attacks against my team. So I would be delivering justice in the name of those he and his followers have slandered here and in other projects.

As to DE. He as a moderator flamed me. He should be held to the same moderating standards he applies with so much joy . Justice. BTW all he would need is t apologize for me to forgive him . ( I can be authoritarian but I do have a heart. )

Since I cannot ban>>I would delete Tony out of this MB's memory and delete all of De's post on the thread he used the irrational word.

So Sense : When Do I start deleting? :) or were you toying with my emotions? :)

...and so Carl, and Jose, you would both leave all of this... STUFF... in here about slavory, and ethic groups, and who is educated or who might be misread as not being educate?? The talk of dictators and hipocrites and blacks?

Jose your biases are showing, you've allowed some people to flame others and not lived up to your duty as a moderator. Saenger's avitar was insulted along with his sensitivity to specific English words.

And your decision to ban mmciastro, while understandably tongue-in-cheek (as is this post), has shown your misuse of your annonymity. You should have your shrowd lifted and step in to the light.

You can now be quoted as condoning ALL of the ideas you left remaining in this thread. And in fact, be seen as biased against any ideas NOT remaining in this thread.

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Oi Sense..Behave....I`m not even a mod at my own forum not that we need one except to delete spammers. I`m admin but refuse the mod title....Just how hypocritical do you think I am ?

I am too involved to be a mod, something they shouldn`t be, they are the ref.

in here about slavory, and ethic groups, and who is educated or who might be misread as not being educate?? The talk of dictators and hipocrites and blacks?

Nothing wrong with those pieces, you see anyone uptight save yourself ?

You`re trying to apply your opinions and not the guidelines/rules and when you apply your opinions it is vocally!

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Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

...and so Carl, and Jose, you would both leave all of this... STUFF... in here about slavory, and ethic groups, and who is educated or who might be misread as not being educate?? The talk of dictators and hipocrites and blacks?

Were you speaking to me or to Carl when you made the suggestion I moderate? If you are trying to sneak Carl in now then I must say there seems to be a whiff of lack of intellectual honesty on your part. Want to talk to me, you talk to me. This was a suggestion made to me not a duo. As much as I like Carl, I will not share my moderator's salary with him.

Jose your biases are showing, you've allowed some people to flame others ...

You asked a hypothetical and I answered back with another. Nice try sense, nice try.

Saenger's avatar was insulted along

Please point that part on the thread. Please make you argument as if you were using the X. Then I will answer back in the way a great moderator would.

...with his sensitivity to specific English You can dish insults and cannot taken them and then you claim a false sensitivity , THAT would have been flaming. Pointing out he is extremely sensitive to words given his cultural experiences is a fact, not a flame.

BTW he pointed out why care has to be taken with words..the example of Pope Benedict; he for one should learn from that as he is free with some words and statements that when read can be inflamatory as the Pope's comment re the Muslims were.

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And your decision to ban mmciastro, while understandably tongue-in-cheek (as is this post),

Now ou are reaching , sense. There is nothing tongue-in-cheek as to my comments on why Tony should be banned or deleted into oblivion. I really believe that.

...has shown your misuse of your annonymity. You should have your shrowd lifted and step in to the light.

Slow down sparky..lol lol Who told you I would be an annoynous Moderator? I am Jose as a poster and Jose as a moderator.

BTW since you have accepted now that annonimity is not good...tell us your name

You can now be quoted as condoning ALL of the ideas you left remaining in this thread. And in fact, be seen as biased against any ideas NOT remaining in this thread.

Nice case of fallacious logic bordering on sophistry. Since I dont get paid to teach logic here, I will let you discover why your argument is logically deffective.


Your attempt at baiting me was lame, lame and, very lame. :)

Posts by newbies asking for help would probably make it through both filters and that's what we really only need to see/respond to anyway.

Well, I guess I have to agree with that.

That is bias in favor of newbies :)

People notice the smilie.

I did, that's one reason I think my plan would work. I know you really believe in your cause. I know XS MM also cares. You both wouldn't be so vocal if you didn't care. We both care about those who are in need of help in running the project.

Tony: there is one big problem: I don't trust you. A sad consequence of your ( and your teams) history but, a reality nonetheless

Tony was and is sampling facts and figures.
Hes presenting them in a very good readable fashion (but he could perhaps sometimes do with a link, for the tables were sometimes a bit thread stretching).

May I deduce from your aversion against Tony, that you don't like to be bothered with facts?

Please don't make me repeat why I don't like Tony. I could slip and get really nasty and ugly. ( Correction: I am ugly , so really nasty it is.:) )


The missuse of samples is .... ( I am showing such a sense of restraint , I will get me a nice cup of chocolate Ice Cream as a Reward.)

I simply brought Carl in to it, because his "flowery post" implies he sees nothing in this thread that needs to change either. Didn't mean to sit you both on the same seat of the bus.

As for logic, this does not apply. Moderators comments are taken to apply to everyone in the thread, even if they were clearly directed to specific individuals. You tell person "A" not to use that word and person "B" says "My post was deleted, and I was told that if I don't use that word it wouldn't be deleted".

And as for supporting my assertions against your hypothetical moderation... that seems to not apply either. Many of you have made vague references to events and posts, and implied you were mistreated... (NONE of it in the moderators contact thread where it belongs by the way) My reference to the insults of Saenger's avitar turns out to be misstated here as it was in another thread... don't you read all the threads? You should have KNOWN there were two people knocking each other elsewhere on the boards and PREVENTED them from carrying that forward in to this thread of purity you have going here.

Please go to the USENET where there is no moderation, have it out with each other. The system here is well established, and involves annonymous moderator handles. It by no means implies that moderators are not monitored or supervised. On the contrary. We're monitored and supervised on two ends, the project team on one, and the participants on the other.

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