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Message 27514 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 5:41:44 UTC
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self edited in the spirit of..hmmm, have to think of something fitting..
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Message 27519 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 6:39:48 UTC - in response to Message 27514.  

self edited in the spirit of..hmmm, have to think of something fitting..


ummmmm - <thinking>

Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.


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Message 27522 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 7:11:32 UTC

Movieman:
On online games that I've belonged to - having a moderator reveal their mortal's identity was reason for their suspension. Public guessing was not something that was allowed on their forums.

[deleted response to your deleted paragraph]
"That person is exactly who I said he was. I wasn't making a guess.
People are not as cloaked as they think they are."

Your detective skills suck. <rolls eyes>
.. and your claiming you had conclusive proof that my mortal account is someone other than me - kinda bugs me, too. <smile>

I've been part of the supervisory staff on an online game before. We were reminded to treat people as individuals. The groups or teams they belonged with did not define them. Granted, it was hard to keep in mind when dealing with a whole team of jerks that caused problems. Keeping my past experience in mind, if I judge you, it's for your actions and words - not your team's. And I'm pretty good at not judging your team because of your actions and words.

Dang.. responding to a now empty post makes this look silly. <smile>
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Message 27523 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 7:56:23 UTC

This thread as well as others are a treasure-chest for psycho-analysis...

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Message 27525 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 8:05:49 UTC

You best include Mod.T in that, cos I`m not sure he knows what he is or his deliberate intentions.

You see the way from his last post he squeezes in the insults, that he`ll later say was complete innocence and not aimed at the poster he was replying too. He`s a small town boy so perhaps gets a bit lonely where he is, could be something to do with it.
Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

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Message 27526 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 8:06:40 UTC - in response to Message 27523.  

This thread as well as others are a treasure-chest for psycho-analysis...


Probably, but I rather prefer to think of them as another lode for people that do research on the use of language.
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Message 27527 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 8:37:40 UTC
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Okies, the time to comment on the Moderators participation in this thread has come. This is very on topic as this thread intended to show why annonymous moderators should be eliminated.

1- DE: I think that if there is a moderator that has gained a lot of respect from me, it has to be DE.

It is known by all , that I have complained against him with the abandon of a wild banshee. I caught him in a violation of one of the moderating rules he is supposed to apply and held his feet to the fire in a way even Hernan Cortes would have been proud (Obscure historical reference to make people think and use their Google or other Search engine buttons :) ).

That said: in his participation in this thread he made a very important point and one that should be understood and be crystal clear to all the participants in this or any forums:

Moderators are human being not machines: they can be passionate and yes they do have opinions and yes they react in human ways and can become inpatient and yes a tad intolerant of opposing views. So to expect from them machine -like impartiality or behavior is unfair , worst it is not natural . So, before one passes judgment on the moderators , one should remember their humanness and strive to be fair.

This brings out the point: Participants are human too. And the same respect and the same considerations the moderators ask from us, the participants , they should grant us .

This brings me to something that has to be said.

DE by your apology ( Yes I know it was hard or as you said : "Your dead cold hands") you have shown class. You have gained my respect. I want to add something else: I want to apologize for the angry/nasty comments I made about you. Yes this human being is also passionate and has in times done or said some intemperate things. For that I apologize



2- Sense participation was priceless. With his theoretical challenge , he made clear moderating is not as easy as it seems. He got a tad sensitive at the end but even that reinforced some of the points that he tried to made and, at least in my case I understand and appreciate.

Yes, I can see and understand the moderator's position. I hope they understand , the other side of the coin.


3- Ah Mod T. participation was the best: If there is a case on which to base the argument on the need for non anonymous moderators it has been his participation in this and other threads. Enough said about Mod. T for now

4- Ah me, Mod Jose :) : I think I made a point by the way I "moderated": although of-topic comments can lead to meandering threads , they make for human threads. I can see the need for order but, I will argue that a too rigid interpretation of the topicality of a thread rules is annoying and breeds negative reactions towards the moderator increasing the chances for flare ups

A moderator that is so strict in his moderating out what he considers of topic , acts like a machine. One should not expect to be treated like a human being, when one acts like a machine.

Since modesty is not one of my vices :) , I think I did a most excellent job of "moderating" rofl

I am working on a small post about the issue of names and personas which I intend to be my last participation on the issue of annonymous mods. But at this hour of the morning (4:34 AM, AST) and after a night shift as a human shield, my brain needs some rest. And, rest I will.
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Message 27528 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 9:05:46 UTC

Mod.Sense.....

No email came through to my account re the deletion as per usual. Maybe a problem re Hotmail I don`t know.
Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

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Message 27567 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 15:42:49 UTC - in response to Message 27528.  

Mod.Sense.....

No email came through to my account re the deletion as per usual. Maybe a problem re Hotmail I don`t know.


Hmmm... don't want to name any names... but has anyone else that has had their posts deleted in the past 2 weeks NOT received explanatory EMail? This may be a technical glitch that has increased the tension between moderators and posters, as we spent considerable time explaining why we were deleting posts and trying to be clear about what to do to not be deleted next time... if these comments went in to the bit bucket and were never delivered to you, it tends to explain why our posting advice went unheeded.

Carl, any chance there is a glitch in the system? I mean did you change your EMail address? Or have you had same from the start? Perhaps a change wasn't fully completed or something in the database on the Rosetta server system. What I'm trying to ask is, can you think of anything about your account, which might be unique from others and might have uncovered such a glitch?
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Message 27568 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 15:57:42 UTC - in response to Message 27567.  
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Mod.Sense.....

No email came through to my account re the deletion as per usual. Maybe a problem re Hotmail I don`t know.


Hmmm... don't want to name any names... but has anyone else that has had their posts deleted in the past 2 weeks NOT received explanatory EMail? This may be a technical glitch that has increased the tension between moderators and posters, as we spent considerable time explaining why we were deleting posts and trying to be clear about what to do to not be deleted next time... if these comments went in to the bit bucket and were never delivered to you, it tends to explain why our posting advice went unheeded.

Carl, any chance there is a glitch in the system? I mean did you change your EMail address? Or have you had same from the start? Perhaps a change wasn't fully completed or something in the database on the Rosetta server system. What I'm trying to ask is, can you think of anything about your account, which might be unique from others and might have uncovered such a glitch?


I received a mail yesterday from Mod.DE for a deleted post (but it was not Hotmail).
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Message 27570 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 16:02:58 UTC
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Checked all the filters FC...they`re fine nothing in junk, nothing spam...

I`ve changed nothing in my account from the word go afaik.

It`s either MS, CIA, FBI, MI5, the Guantanamo sunshine club or other blocking it, cos it`s nothing my end.

P.S. I`m glad you posted that not me...else it`d be gone in a Parsec...;-)
Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

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Message 27573 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 17:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 27570.  

Checked all the filters FC...they`re fine nothing in junk, nothing spam...

I`ve changed nothing in my account from the word go afaik.

It`s either MS, CIA, FBI, MI5, the Guantanamo sunshine club or other blocking it, cos it`s nothing my end.

P.S. I`m glad you posted that not me...else it`d be gone in a Parsec...;-)


I think a "parsec" is a astronomical (in both senses of the word) unit of distance, not time, equal to 3.086 × 10^13 kilometers.

Proudly Banned from Predictator@Home and now Cosmology@home as well. Added SETI to the list today. Temporary ban only - so need to work harder :)



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Message 27574 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 17:45:22 UTC - in response to Message 27570.  

P.S. I`m glad you posted that not me...else it`d be gone in a Parsec...;-)

Nothing to do with who posts it. Just a question of how long before it is found.

...suffice it to say Fluffy has also received EMail notifications on moderator actions. Since the EMail shows you your deleted message, and the entire message was quoted, I have deleted it.

Carl, might I suggest we try another test? Change your profile to EMail to somewhere else, then we'll do another post and delete with msg test.
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Message 27576 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 17:55:50 UTC - in response to Message 27574.  

P.S. I`m glad you posted that not me...else it`d be gone in a Parsec...;-)

Nothing to do with who posts it. Just a question of how long before it is found.

...suffice it to say Fluffy has also received EMail notifications on moderator actions. Since the EMail shows you your deleted message, and the entire message was quoted, I have deleted it.

Carl, might I suggest we try another test? Change your profile to EMail to somewhere else, then we'll do another post and delete with msg test.


I thought I had removed that part thought I left just my comment and the bits of from who explanation etc...
anyways, Have the moderators asked the admins to add features to the message board, like the ability to edit single posts (you could have just removed the offending part like pretty much any half decent forum software allows you to).

Ah bugger it..
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Message 27583 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 18:44:53 UTC - in response to Message 27582.  

The BOINC package does not allow moderators to edit posts. For some reason the BOINC developer have made clear that they won't change this, so there is little hope that this will be possible in future.


And that's a good thing. That way there is no way the original poster's words can be changed to suit someone's idea of Political Correctness. The arguement never comes up of "Someone changed my post!"

Better just let them stand, unless they are outrageously offensive.

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Message 27588 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 19:01:58 UTC

I think a "parsec" is a astronomical (in both senses of the word) unit of distance,


Really and there`s me thinking something entirely different
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Message 27590 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 19:06:16 UTC - in response to Message 27588.  

I think a "parsec" is a astronomical (in both senses of the word) unit of distance,


Really and there`s me thinking something entirely different


Just trying to be my usual helpful, ever-present grammar and spelling police. :)

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Message 27592 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 19:10:00 UTC
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I thought a parsec was a measure of speed ! ie., how quickly things can disappear...especially around here

Enigmatic ? Don`t worry we`re getting there, things will be revealed to you shortly !
Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

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Message 27600 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 20:54:51 UTC

how quickly things can disappear...especially around here

That time is measured in nano-seconds
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Message 27603 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 21:23:40 UTC
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Carl I just deleted your sample post, and entered a message which is to trigger an EMail to your revised EMail address.

edit: OK, now, if you would, try creating a new hotmail addy and we'll do it again.
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