Do you really believe the use of banning would solve anything?

It would ensure a two week period of reflection before you/I/anyone else could post again. Time to relect on the real reasons for doing what we do. I care about Boinc. I care about the whole idea of being able to give otherwise unused cpu cyles to scientist/others to try and solve a problem that lack of equipment/money prohibits them from doing. I believe every project should be judged by each "participant" for it's merits alone (this requires credit parity or nearly so). If Rosetta were to leave boinc and go it alone. I would be OK with it. I fear they'd lose tons of cpu cycles, but I'd be OK with it. I remember trying to juggle Seti Classic and FAH by playing with "priority" settings, and to me, it just wasn't worth it. I ended up picking one over another. I believe the same would happen with Rosetta if they left the Boinc family, but as long as they are, they have chosen the right path, and that's working towards parity.

Microsoft has thousands of programmers and is still issuing updates/patches every week. Every project and Boinc itself will continue to develop, change, and grow. Noone should expect Boinc/projects to be perfect from the beginning or even EVER. Change is a good thing. If you've been watching the Boinc Family you'll notice that one by one, most projects are switching to fixed credits of one form or another. The are evolving. Sure there is always room for improvement and that's happening. It may not be fast, but it's happening. It's boincs answer to the implementation of third party clients and it's flawed benchmark system. It was slow in coming, it's even slower in full implementation, but it's happening.

tony

Yes the banning feature is developed though not in use here. The prospect of having you and Jose as moderators though _without_ banning possibilities and is so entertaining, that I vote for that solution rather than to have the banning feature. :-)

You would noty be entretained after I moderate your posts . :P

As long as I could still read the reactions to your moderation marvel I would be compensated. ;-)

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I am a forum moderator! Am I?

We're monitored and supervised on two ends, the project team on one, and the participants on the other.

And by your reaction we know how you feel when participants monitor and supervise you.


BTW You have shown in a way that is so pristine and clear that leaves no doubts the anger and the disruption an overzealous moderator can bring to a thread. What saved the day, was the fact that I basically chose to ignore you and let you play your hypothetical mind game.

A good moderator annonymous or not has to learn not to inject into a debate as to become the subject matter of it or worst to deflect the attention to him. You failed here.

Now that your veneer of civility towards me has washed off any act of moderation against me on your part is without a doubt a reflection of your bias and not the reality of what is posted. Sad, I thought you had some good sense and intentions but, alas You proved me wrong. This is the only negative part of the whole experience: a person I respected , showed to me I had no reasons to respect him.

What the heck are you talking about???
I really do not have the faintest idea what could be percieved hostile to you personly.
Could you please explain it in a way others can understand it as well?

Saenger: Sometimes you get caught in the crossfire by trying to understand a dialogue of which you have not been part. Suffice to say, SENSE and I understand each other.

Yes the banning feature is developed though not in use here. The prospect of having you and Jose as moderators though _without_ banning possibilities and is so entertaining, that I vote for that solution rather than to have the banning feature. :-)

You would noty be entretained after I moderate your posts . :P

As long as I could still read the reactions to your moderation marvel I would be compensated. ;-)

So I take it you are willing to apologize for the irrational comment ?

I have never ever received one message of deletion or other from here.

Mod.De, I am alway`s prepared. ;-)

Then edit you spam filter to allow mails from bakerlab.org or try to suppress the delete reflex if you receive a mail with the beginning "your post was subject to moderation...". I _always_ write poems and novels when I delete a post and feel personally insulted that it does not bear fruits. ;-)

To be serious if we delete or move a post we can leave a comment which should be send to the original poster - at least that's what we are told.

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I am a forum moderator! Am I?

I have never ever received one message of deletion or other from here.

Mod.De, I am alway`s prepared. ;-)

Then edit you spam filter to allow mails from bakerlab.org or try to suppress the delete reflex if you receive a mail with the beginning "your post was subject to moderation...". I _always_ write poems and novels when I delete a post and feel personally insulted that it does not bear fruits. ;-)

To be serious if we delete or move a post we can leave a comment which should be send to the original poster - at least that's what we are told.

I got a bunch of them. And I finally caved in and put the rabblerousers on ignore. This thread is quite muted since ;)

Do you really believe the use of banning would solve anything?

It would ensure a two week period of reflection before you/I/anyone else could post again. Time to relect on the real reasons for doing what we do. I care about Boinc. I care about the whole idea of being able to give otherwise unused cpu cyles to scientist/others to try and solve a problem that lack of equipment/money prohibits them from doing. I believe every project should be judged by each "participant" for it's merits alone (this requires credit parity or nearly so). If Rosetta were to leave boinc and go it alone. I would be OK with it. I fear they'd lose tons of cpu cycles, but I'd be OK with it. I remember trying to juggle Seti Classic and FAH by playing with "priority" settings, and to me, it just wasn't worth it. I ended up picking one over another. I believe the same would happen with Rosetta if they left the Boinc family, but as long as they are, they have chosen the right path, and that's working towards parity.

Microsoft has thousands of programmers and is still issuing updates/patches every week. Every project and Boinc itself will continue to develop, change, and grow. Noone should expect Boinc/projects to be perfect from the beginning or even EVER. Change is a good thing. If you've been watching the Boinc Family you'll notice that one by one, most projects are switching to fixed credits of one form or another. The are evolving. Sure there is always room for improvement and that's happening. It may not be fast, but it's happening. It's boincs answer to the implementation of third party clients and it's flawed benchmark system. It was slow in coming, it's even slower in full implementation, but it's happening.

tony

Tonny : I have no problems with fixed credits projects. I am running one now ..It only gives 5.71 credits per wu and a 3 point bonus if you reach a factor. I like the project and I am running it and woulkd run it even without the credits .

Again: you assume my position on credits and sometimes react to a wrong assumption.

Yes the banning feature is developed though not in use here. The prospect of having you and Jose as moderators though _without_ banning possibilities and is so entertaining, that I vote for that solution rather than to have the banning feature. :-)

You would noty be entretained after I moderate your posts . :P

As long as I could still read the reactions to your moderation marvel I would be compensated. ;-)

So I take it you are willing to apologize for the irrational comment ?

From my dead cold hands... ;-)

Jose I apologize for it although I feel it deep inside my heart you were not insulted by my post. You spotted a technical mistake I made, you spotted a slight emotional reaction inappropriate for us anonymous mod machines and indulgingly pointed it out. Congratulations!

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I am a forum moderator! Am I?

Yes the banning feature is developed though not in use here. The prospect of having you and Jose as moderators though _without_ banning possibilities and is so entertaining, that I vote for that solution rather than to have the banning feature. :-)

You would noty be entretained after I moderate your posts . :P

As long as I could still read the reactions to your moderation marvel I would be compensated. ;-)

So I take it you are willing to apologize for the irrational comment ?

From my dead cold hands... ;-)

Jose I apologize for it although I feel it deep inside my heart you were not insulted by my post. You spotted a technical mistake I made, you spotted a slight emotional reaction inappropriate for us anonymous mod machines and indulgingly pointed it out. Congratulations!

Come on DE!!! There is no victory here that needs the congratulation part.

Yes I caught you in a reaction that was not proper for a moderator.

I know you are human, so please do not call yourself a machine or you will force me to slap you silly with a wet trout ( Man am I dating myslef.) That is why I held your feet to the fire.

Guess what? Had you been person XXXX , a regular poster, I would have probably would have let it slide .

Hold the thought: I dont even believe that myself :) ..Ok I would have gone after you with the reckless abandon of a wild banshee and gotten into trouble with other moderators. :)


So, peace.

Can we have a group hug?

Tonny : I have no problems with fixed credits projects. I am running one now ..It only gives 5.71 credits per wu and a 3 point bonus if you reach a factor. I like the project and I am running it and woulkd run it even without the credits .

Again: you assume my position on credits and sometimes react to a wrong assumption.

Jose, I know you care about what you care about. I think it's great you found something you love so much you'd do it without getting meaningless credits. My point was "boinc isn't perfect, NOTHING IS" But it's improving. My point wasn't about credits. Credits are just one place where it's improving. I remember Boinc 4.13 where every other WU ended in "download errors" and boinc 4.19 fixed that. I remember setting my cache (connect to preference) to 10 days and only getting 3 days worth. 4.35 (and the implementation of the work scheduler) made an effort to correct that. Now when I request 3 days work, I get three days. Boinc's not done there, they continually improve every facet of the program.

Stick around, it'll keep getting better.

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=2312

Bad timing Matts. If you read this thread carefully , you will notice that even though there has been some meandering and highs and lows , some good has come from it.

I think this is the first time in eons ( days, weeks) that Tony and I have talked (not shouted ) to each other and not trough each other. That in and of itself is good.

carl.h:
You've moved to WCG, you've called for yet another non-rosetta Rosetta forum. You only seem to return here to endlessly argue, then disappear for a month. What do you hope to accomplish by doing this here? When you can answer that, why not find a diplomatic teammate to present that information or request?

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https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=2312

Bad timing Matts. If you read this thread carefully , you will notice that even though there has been some meandering and highs and lows , some good has come from it.

I think this is the first time in eons ( days, weeks) that Tony and I have talked (not shouted ) to each other and not trough each other. That in and of itself is good.

Jose, I think it's a good thing too. However, to set the record straight, I have followed the request of your last email in which you "cut all ties". I haven't talked to you since that date (July 23rd). There was one post of mine with mentioned your plan of dropping boinc, but that was directed at another user, and you thought I was addressing you. I have posted info, but nothing directed at you until today. I am encouraged with the dialogue though.

tony

Tonny : I have no problems with fixed credits projects. I am running one now ..It only gives 5.71 credits per wu and a 3 point bonus if you reach a factor. I like the project and I am running it and woulkd run it even without the credits .

Again: you assume my position on credits and sometimes react to a wrong assumption.

Jose, I know you care about what you care about. I think it's great you found something you love so much you'd do it without getting meaningless credits. My point was "boinc isn't perfect, NOTHING IS" But it's improving. My point wasn't about credits. Credits are just one place where it's improving. I remember Boinc 4.13 where every other WU ended in "download errors" and boinc 4.19 fixed that. I remember setting my cache (connect to preference) to 10 days and only getting 3 days worth. 4.35 (and the implementation of the work scheduler) made an effort to correct that. Now when I request 3 days work, I get three days. Boinc's not done there, they continually improve every facet of the program.

Stick around, it'll keep getting better.

Boinc 4.13 is responsible for my graying hair.


I am running several DC projects in the Physical Sciences , Math and yes one in Biology that will keep me busy. I am also working on a special project that is giving me a lot of joy: I am helping proof read a PhD on the image of G-D as a spouse. Ah the beauty of the Songs of Songs and St John of the Cross.



As to staying arround here (Rosetta), I will try to go back to deep lurking. To be honest, I do not feel confortable here , since I am an outsider. Crunching Rosetta again is not an option for me. so I will only return out of lurking if I see the need . I hopw I dont have to come out again in the near future.

It would ensure a two week period of reflection before you/I/anyone else could post again. Time to relect on the real reasons for doing what we do.

Tony I hope you realise by now I am quite capable of a reasonable conversation or even argument without losing it and when I do lose it and it`s deleted (even though I receive no mail) I don`t moan. Howether there are times things are disagreed with such as the "F" word where I would have got a ban cos what I believed was and is still correct. This would have left me feeling passionately wronged and a ban would not have mattered, I`d have come back in another guise and let it be known. It really wouldn`t be a first !

Mod. T if you approach in that threatening manner what do you hope to achieve...cos I know what you`ll get ! You see my credits for this project, yes under my avvy ....KMA

For your information I have NOT called for another forum

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Bad timing Matts.

Jose... if you would... summarize the 120 posts in this thread and state the good that has come from it... I for one am not going to spend the time to dig for the good in this post, and my experience with the project team is that they respond better to shiney metal on the surface of the ground, then gold buried within a mountain. So, if you wish them to hear the merits of anonymous moderation, I suggest it is probably a good time to collect them all together and say "THIS is what I was talking about".

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Carl:

when I do lose it and it`s deleted (even though I receive no mail) I don`t moan.

Carl, I personally have entered comments when deleting your posts which are to be EMailed to you. If you are serious about never having received any such EMail notification, please post a test that I will then delete and enter a message to be sent to you.

[edit]Carl posted, I deleted and entered explanatory message. Carl, if your internet life is anything like mine, you have many EMail address. Please go to the "Participants" area and verify what EMail address you have registered for your account.

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carl.h:
Reread my last post. I asked two questions, I did not make a threat. As a moderator, if I'm supposed to be helping you, or relaying information, or whatever it is you expect me to do, I need help understanding what you want. I admit that I don't understand what you've been trying to accomplish with what you've been doing for the past few days. A more diplomatic teammate of yours could really help.

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Yep it`s the only account I use for projects and the like....

It is a hotmail account though so it`s M$ based ;-)

I have honestly never received a thing ! Not that I worry or need explanations most of the time !

Mod.T you question as to why I SHOULD be here yet I have put a lot of work into this project more than some here. If you speak reasonably to me you will get similar.

When you can answer that, why not find a diplomatic teammate to present that information or request?

What exactly are you trying to say with that ? It is belittling, like get an adult to come with you and explain.

I being part of this project even if past have as much right here as anyone else.

As a mod your comments were out of order.

For a Canadian it is about right though!
Wrong....I`ve just fell in who it is and why we don`t get on !

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Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.