Finally there is a small bunch of pathetic people currently using this forum to cause chaos and upset people, and the project

So you thought you`d come in, post that and stir the coals ! Pathetic !

It`s called stirring !

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

On the issue of mod anonymity, I don't see how it could hurt anyone to reveal their team and normal handle - BUT ONLY IF EVERYONE COOLS OFF a little more. Otherwise, it simply opens them to attack under two separate handles and prevents them from contributing opinions or ideas as normal participants.

No, it would only prevent them from being rabid partisans under the disguise of moderators.

As I said: I don't mind them in their non-moderator role get involved. But when ModX who could for all purposes now be XXXXX a known anti Jose flamer moderates me out ( while hidding under his Moderator cloak) in a thread I participate I object.

A moderator is akin to a judge... previous bias or the impression of previous bias or conflict of interest has to be met by recusal in the moderation actions against people they openly oppose in the regular threads.

Thy cannot have their cake and eat it too.

This is my 1st post in a long time and probably one for another long time.

Named Mod's are not needed, maybe the project wishes them to be just blank people that way no personal abuse can be thrown at the they can't be traced to other projects to be abused there too.

Finally there is a small bunch of pathetic people currently using this forum to cause chaos and upset people, and the project.

Not mentioning names if you take offence to this then your one of them

I hope to come back in a few months to see these certain people gone or less in your face, funny how it is the same few over and over again

Other projects like which one Hal? Or do you wish us out of those projects too?

This is well off topic now and going backward...

Actually, Carl I beg to differ. And since I am the originator of this thread, I can state with authority ( while not being authoritarian) why the direction of the thread is not off-topic at all.

I think it has clearly demonstrated why non annonymous moderators are needed: The end result of the original situation re some optimizers has poisoned the well so much, trust and comity has been lost.


Sad but true. That is why the accountability of the moderators is of such importance.

Sorry mate, I meant them taking it back to my use of the "F" word and it`s definition!

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

And as a white male in the U.S.

I find that offensive...Why does being white make a difference. Arab`s drove slaves, as did African tribes.

I don't expect the world to be politically corret. Bottom line, people make judgements about other people for all sorts of reasons.

White male is important because as an educated person, I'm well aware that it was people like me who took part in those acts in the U.S. As such, if someone calls me slavedriver, they are making an implication that I am a part of the group of people who did that. I am certainly not part of that group and have done nothing to imply that I am. Therefore, to say that I AM picks out only the fact that I am a white male, something I have no control over and the term becomes an insult.

This is far off topic by now but I couldn't resist a clarification. I'm done now.

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Sorry mate, I meant them taking it back to my use of the "F" word and it`s definition!

Man ... If something this thread has shown is that we can disagree strongly and yes reach levels of anger and yet participate in an orderly manner ( I am not kidding , I like the flow of the dialogue) and making our points clear without the undue interference of moderators and political correctness. So please do not go soft and pc on me. :) [You are an extreme Teddie LOL ]

Had mderators under their cloaks interfered , I am sure the level of relative civility would have gone down the proverbial toilet.

Oh Dear Lord : I have had a nasty thought: I could be a great moderator :) :P

White male is important because as an educated person

Black/Hispanic/Chinese males are not educated ?

Be careful that smells of prejudice. I`m not saying you are but perhaps an edit might be beneficial !

A Slavedriver is a boss who works his employees too hard ! Nothing more ! The Romans were trading in white slaves long before the kind you talk of !

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

Jose,
why do you have the impression, that you are somehow treated unfair by the mods?
Their modding of your posts is quite lenient imho.
And if they are partisan, they are partisan in favour of your group (not you personly, but that's no wonder considering your behaviour).

And as a white male in the U.S.

I find that offensive...Why does being white make a difference. Arab`s drove slaves, as did African tribes.

I don't expect the world to be politically correct. Bottom line, people make judgements about other people for all sorts of reasons.

White male is important because as an educated person, I'm well aware that it was people like me who took part in those acts in the U.S. As such, if someone calls me slavedriver, they are making an implication that I am a part of the group of people who did that. I am certainly not part of that group and have done nothing to imply that I am. Therefore, to say that I AM picks out only the fact that I am a white male, something I have no control over and the term becomes an insult.

This is far off topic by now but I couldn't resist a clarification. I'm done now.

It is not. You made your point clear in a strong but respectful manner. That is the key to good exchange of ideas.

Hey freedom of expression is not a theory , it is something that has to be lived and lived to the fullest... vigorous debate ( yes sometimes angry debate) is not negative perse. It shows that what lies behind a idea is a human being , passionate and alive.

What cannot happen is that in the name of moderation, partisans become moderators and hide behind untraceable names, personas. That skews the level of the playing field and generates anger and reduces the chances of vigorous debate as the need to shout to be heard becomes obvious.

On the issue of mod anonymity, I don't see how it could hurt anyone to reveal their team and normal handle - BUT ONLY IF EVERYONE COOLS OFF a little more. Otherwise, it simply opens them to attack under two separate handles and prevents them from contributing opinions or ideas as normal participants.

No, it would only prevent them from being rabid partisans under the disguise of moderators.

As I said: I don't mind them in their non-moderator role get involved. But when ModX who could for all purposes now be XXXXX a known anti Jose flamer moderates me out ( while hidding under his Moderator cloak) in a thread I participate I object.

A moderator is akin to a judge... previous bias or the impression of previous bias or conflict of interest has to be met by recusal in the moderation actions against people they openly oppose in the regular threads.

Thy cannot have their cake and eat it too.

En este topico, estoy de acuerdo con usted, Jose. I simply don't want to see the mods attacked when they are in their normal guise of contributors. And I think that in the current climate of the message boards, they would be. Of course, I don't want to see others attacked for their opinions either. Hence the request that everyone cool down (and "everyone" certainly includes mods who step out of their roles and take sides, suggesting an official stance on subjects that do not necessarily represent the thoughts of anyone other than the poster himself/herself.).

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Jose,
why do you have the impression, that you are somehow treated unfair by the mods?
Their modding of your posts is quite lenient imho.
And if they are partisan, they are partisan in favour of your group (not you personly, but that's no wonder considering your behaviour).

Saenger: they are not in my favor. I can vouch for that.

Hey if you want to compare behavious yours is not pristine either .

[quote]White male is important because as an educated person

Black/Hispanic/Chinese males are not educated ?

Not at all what I said and you know it.

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On the issue of mod anonymity, I don't see how it could hurt anyone to reveal their team and normal handle - BUT ONLY IF EVERYONE COOLS OFF a little more. Otherwise, it simply opens them to attack under two separate handles and prevents them from contributing opinions or ideas as normal participants.

No, it would only prevent them from being rabid partisans under the disguise of moderators.

As I said: I don't mind them in their non-moderator role get involved. But when ModX who could for all purposes now be XXXXX a known anti Jose flamer moderates me out ( while hidding under his Moderator cloak) in a thread I participate I object.

A moderator is akin to a judge... previous bias or the impression of previous bias or conflict of interest has to be met by recusal in the moderation actions against people they openly oppose in the regular threads.

Thy cannot have their cake and eat it too.

En este topico, estoy de acuerdo con usted, Jose. I simply don't want to see the mods attacked when they are in their normal guise of contributors. And I think that in the current climate of the message boards, they would be. Of course, I don't want to see others attacked for their opinions either. Hence the request that everyone cool down (and "everyone" certainly includes mods who step out of their roles and take sides, suggesting an official stance on subjects that do not necessarily represent the thoughts of anyone other than the poster himself/herself.).

Soan: if they enter the debate as regular posters their actions as moderators should not be taken against them. They will roast for other reasons, not for being moderators :)

It is the reverse of the issue that is bothersome.... a moderator has to take into account his positions outside the moderating job.

I have a solution to the mod problem and every other mod could just sit back and watch.

I have a solution to the mod problem and every other mod could just sit back and watch.

I have one too :) but you would not like it. Joking, Joking :)

Soan: if they enter the debate as regular posters their actions as moderators should not be taken against them. They will roast for other reasons, not for being moderators :)

I agree. Their actions should not be taken against them, but I think that others would ignore this and roast them FOR being moderators

It is the reverse of the issue that is bothersome.... a moderator has to take into account his positions outside the moderating job.

Again, I agree. And wholeheartedly.

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I have a solution to the mod problem and every other mod could just sit back and watch.

I have one too :) but you would not like it. Joking, Joking :)

you're a part of my solution. Curious?

As such, if someone calls me slavedriver, they are making an implication that I am a part of the group of people who did that.

You are really that old ? Blimey ! What you are saying is ridiculous, you are a victim of PC, in that we should all be guilty for our forebears deeds!

White male is important because as an educated person


Black/Hispanic/Chinese males are not educated ?


Not at all what I said and you know it.

The inference is there if I choose to take umbrage and as a black person the fact you need to state your whiteness and your education level comes across as quite racist !

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

As such, if someone calls me slavedriver, they are making an implication that I am a part of the group of people who did that.

You are really that old ? Blimey ! What you are saying is ridiculous, you are a victim of PC, in that we should all be guilty for our forebears deeds!

White male is important because as an educated person


Black/Hispanic/Chinese males are not educated ?


Not at all what I said and you know it.

The inference is there if I choose to take umbrage and as a black person the fact you need to state your whiteness and your education level comes across as quite racist !

The sentence only means what you imply if it is cut off precisely where you cut it. Perhaps It should have read: The words "white male" are important because as a person who knows the history of my own country...

I did not mean to irk anyone. I am white and I am educated, I didn't intend to suggest that they are related in any way. I simply meant that if someone used that word to describe me, it would be picking out qualities that I have no control over.

I am not a victim of PC here. We are all victims of the past and the present that others in the past have created for us.

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