criticize != discredit

Exactly!!!!
Moderators are playing the mantra that if you criticize their obvious faults , you are discrediting the project.

They are confusing unanimity with loyalty. Worst they are equating criticizing moderators with disloyalty to the project; as if the moderators were the project.

Has feet1st ever used 5.5.0? I doubt that very much - and no I'm not feet1st. ;-)

He was using 5.4.9 according to my charts when the "credit flame wars" started.

This is no doubt true Tony as you have the stats, howether we`ve already seen evidence that optimised clients were used cross project as far back as 2004 which skewed Boinc stats long before any of the so called "C" came on the scene. There is also no doubt that some people using the "C" word originally participated in optimisation.

But this is history......

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Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

This is no doubt true Tony as you have the stats, howether we`ve already seen evidence that optimised clients were used cross project as far back as 2004 which skewed Boinc stats long before any of the so called "C" came on the scene. There is also no doubt that some people using the "C" word originally participated in optimisation.

But this is history......

I agree.

I asked Crunch3r to atleast post a note/warning on his site which indicated his clients shouldn't be used on projects other than Seti and then only with his optimized App. I also asked if he could program it into the client to NOT work with anything other than his optimized app. (note: I can even show where the use of his app with his client still claimed to much at seti). I specifically asked him about Rosetta last December. His answer was effectively "it's Rosettas' problem for not having an open sourced app". I can dig this post up if you don't believe me.

tony

No need Tony, I quite believe you. As I said it`s history now anyhow.

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

Jose:
"The Mayor of New York City works in the Mayor's Office. They get a lot of work done."
This doesn't neccessarily imply that there's two Mayor Julianis (is he still the Mayor of NYC?). They is also used instead of He or She when the gender of the person is unknown.

Please stop bringing up trivialities.

If you want to present a major point, then find someone diplomatic to present the core point diplomatically, instead of bringing up endless inconsequentialities while getting involved in pointless verbal battles.

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I don't understand... why are there no posts on the new forum?

There's 115 posts in this thread... some for, some against... either way, a LOT of interest in a new forum... and only one opening post. What gives?

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I don't understand... why are there no posts on the new forum?

There's 115 posts in this thread... some for, some against... either way, a LOT of interest in a new forum... and only one opening post. What gives?

My guess is that

1) Most people are too new to the internet to be familiar with USENET
2) Change is scary, and they are familiar with this forum
3) If one is trying to convince the powers that be to make changes, it must be done here

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I don't understand... why are there no posts on the new forum?

There's 115 posts in this thread... some for, some against... either way, a LOT of interest in a new forum... and only one opening post. What gives?

My guess is that

1) Most people are too new to the internet to be familiar with USENET
2) Change is scary, and they are familiar with this forum
3) If one is trying to convince the powers that be to make changes, it must be done here

Right. Most newer netizens have never heard od USENET.

Perhaps the non-private atmosphere (not just Rosetta) is also intimidating.

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I don't understand... why are there no posts on the new forum?

There's 115 posts in this thread... some for, some against... either way, a LOT of interest in a new forum... and only one opening post. What gives?

My guess is that

1) Most people are too new to the internet to be familiar with USENET
2) Change is scary, and they are familiar with this forum
3) If one is trying to convince the powers that be to make changes, it must be done here

Right. Most newer netizens have never heard od USENET.

Perhaps the non-private atmosphere (not just Rosetta) is also intimidating.

Mod.Tymbrimi is tralala - or not :)

And there was me thinking USENET was just for porn and warez, newer net users may know USENET better as 'newsgroups' since that what most ISP's call them and windows applications used to get them (MS Outlook/Desktop Live, XNEWS etc.. etc..).

Personally I don;t think USENET is the answer, there are already boards that tried to set up (Teddies for example created a better alternative boinc board) but they just don't work as intended because it's not backed by bakerlabs. bakerlabs need to decide on how these forums/message board should be run and tell us. They should also update it to the same version used at Ralph and probably add a bitching section ;-). If the Pirates@Home modification are stable (or have been put into the 5.6/5.7 code AND they give the moderators sensible options, for example individual post move/merge and edit, that is edit with a notification that it has been edited and who by they should be implemented).


tralala is a mod.

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Hey! Looks like this new forum thing is REALLY taking off! The present topic seems to be related to the ummm "awards for crunching work done". And I must say, the discussion has been quite civil so far. I think they should start a thread called yacc (it's a UNIX joke, sorry), stands for Yet Another Credit Conversation.

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A little more activity there, I see :)

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Any PHP and Mysql experts out there? The previous volunteer who worked on the fora code has stepped down because of a busy school schedule. See Dr. Andersons post below to Boinc Dev mail list.

David Anderson to Toby, boinc_dev
More options 3:48 pm (24 minutes ago)

I agree that this problem needs to be addressed, and soon.

BTW: Janus Kristensen recently stepped down as "owner"
of BOINC's PHP code (too busy).
Does anyone else want this role?
You'd need to be proficient in PHP and MySQL,
understand BOINC's many subtleties,
and understand the current PHP code.

If so: tell me (at a detailed level, including DB changes if needed)
how you'd solve the problem of disappearing team owners.

Note: the problem under discussion is about team founders abandoniing their posts and members being left leaderless.

I fail to see why this is any kind of problem that needs this sort of knee-jerk response.

The team founder is just the first guy who decided to start a team name on a particular project.

Who cares who it was?

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I fail to see why this is any kind of problem that needs this sort of knee-jerk response.

The team founder is just the first guy who decided to start a team name on a particular project.

Who cares who it was?

I think it's more they need someone to do more coding than that ;-)

But to answer the question, the team looses the ability to manage the team, they cannot get the email adresses, remove people, change its name and all the other functions.
It could also mess the stats up on stats sites.

I don't think it's a very urgent problem though and has little to do with the forum code.

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I fail to see why this is any kind of problem that needs this sort of knee-jerk response.

The team founder is just the first guy who decided to start a team name on a particular project.

Who cares who it was?

I think it's more they need someone to do more coding than that ;-)

But to answer the question, the team looses the ability to manage the team, they cannot get the email adresses, remove people, change its name and all the other functions.
It could also mess the stats up on stats sites.

I don't think it's a very urgent problem though and has little to do with the forum code.

I don't get it.

Someone makes a team.

People join.

People leave.

All on their own!

What's to manage?

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Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

I fail to see why this is any kind of problem that needs this sort of knee-jerk response.

The team founder is just the first guy who decided to start a team name on a particular project.

Who cares who it was?

I think it's more they need someone to do more coding than that ;-)

But to answer the question, the team looses the ability to manage the team, they cannot get the email adresses, remove people, change its name and all the other functions.
It could also mess the stats up on stats sites.

I don't think it's a very urgent problem though and has little to do with the forum code.

I don't get it.

Someone makes a team.

People join.

People leave.

All on their own!

What's to manage?

Teams that wish to kick people off,
Teams that wish to change the name of the team or any of the other information, such as a change of website, picture/logo, adjust the introduction,
Teams that wish to remove inactive users (never got that idea myself),
Teams that wish to grab all the email address and mass mail the memebers ;-)


I think mainly my second point.

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I think Dr. Anderson was just asking an interview question. It may not be BOINC's most pressing problem, but it is one that would be pretty knotty to solve and you need to know how Boinc works in order to be able to propose any kind of reasonable solution.

Back when I was hiring new engineers I had a few questions like that to really see what the applicants were made of. e.g. "Take this whiteboard pen and design me a divide-by-three counter using logic elements available in 74xxx-series TTL chips."

You could learn more about an engineer by watching them work on it than you could by reading 100 pages of CV.

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I think Dr. Anderson was just asking an interview question. It may not be BOINC's most pressing problem, but it is one that would be pretty knotty to solve and you need to know how Boinc works in order to be able to propose any kind of reasonable solution.

Back when I was hiring new engineers I had a few questions like that to really see what the applicants were made of. e.g. "Take this whiteboard pen and design me a divide-by-three counter using logic elements available in 74xxx-series TTL chips."

You could learn more about an engineer by watching them work on it than you could by reading 100 pages of CV.

Actually Dr. A's question was in the dev or alpha list (forget which) and it was somthing that was brought up in there, I think by a KWSN team member and some other talk... But it was in direct response to that problem that was brought up, it also wasn't aimed at the public in general, else you would have thought they would advertise it better <rolleyes>, like post on the BOINC front page...



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The search for someone to take charge of the php code is over

David Anderson to BOINC
More options 5:53 pm (3 hours ago)

Rytis Slatkevicius is now the owner of the web-site features of BOINC.
Rytis has been a very active contributor to BOINC for some time now.
Thanks to others who volunteered for this job -
your ideas and coding contributions are still very welcome!

-- David