WU

Questions and Answers : Wish list : WU

To post messages, you must log in.

AuthorMessage
Profile Richard A Arch

Send message
Joined: 28 May 06
Posts: 23
Credit: 49,760
RAC: 0
Message 25689 - Posted: 31 Aug 2006, 4:06:04 UTC

I am new, but still wondering how or who determines the type of WU that is downloaded to a computer (like mine). Recentely I have been getting BENCH_ARELAX_SAVE_ALL_OUT_4ubpA_BARCODE_C (for example). I am not complaining because I am getting credit for the WU but recentely I noticed that the CASP7 WU are the one with the lowest power. Just wondering what is going on, that all, out. Thanks.
ID: 25689 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Feet1st
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 30 Dec 05
Posts: 1755
Credit: 4,690,520
RAC: 0
Message 25863 - Posted: 2 Sep 2006, 2:59:39 UTC

Well, there is a team of scientists in the Rosetta lab. Each working on different strategies or different proteins and wanting to run their work. They basically decide amongst them which work will yield the most interesting results and they queue up a bunch of WUs related to that. There is generally several different WUs in progress at the same time. This is because when a WU misses a deadline, it automatically gets assigned to someone else. Or also can be because they have a target number of models they wish to run against a given protein, and if they are still short of the number they wanted, then they throw a few additional WUs for that protein on to the queue.

In the end, it's basically random as to which WU you will get. I wasn't certain what you meant about the CASP7 WU being the "lowest power". Most of the CASP proteins were quite large, and take a long time to crunch a single model. Perhaps that is what you meant. The credits are issued in a way that reflects the difficulty of the protein you get assigned. So, the credits should work out about the same either way.

Welcome to Rosetta! Be sure to check out the links available in the Project Information Index. Also, it looks like your WUs are crunching with just a 1hr runtime preference. It also appears you are crunching all day long, and perhaps with Rosetta as your only project. This is great. The project needs all the crunch time they can get. For yourself though, if your machine is going to be on all day (and night) anyway, you can save a lot of download bandwidth if you increase the WU runtime preference. This is discussed in this QA item. Setting the runtime preference higher will help you see more consistent runtimes too, because regardless of how it is set, you always have to crunch at least one complete model before reporting the WU back.

...and so perhaps that was your real question. Something more along the lines of "I normally crunch WUs in an hour, and sometimes these CASP7 WUs run for several hours, what gives?" ...this is normal. It can take some of those WUs 3 hours or so (longer on a slower machine) to complete that first model. And the estimated time to completion and the % progress displayed during that time are... well... less then intuitive, let's say it that way :) This is described further in the QA link above.
Add this signature to your EMail:
Running Microsoft's "System Idle Process" will never help cure cancer, AIDS nor Alzheimer's. But running Rosetta@home just might!
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/
ID: 25863 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Richard A Arch

Send message
Joined: 28 May 06
Posts: 23
Credit: 49,760
RAC: 0
Message 25953 - Posted: 3 Sep 2006, 15:51:07 UTC - in response to Message 25863.  

Well, there is a team of scientists in the Rosetta lab. Each working on different strategies or different proteins and wanting to run their work. They basically decide amongst them which work will yield the most interesting results and they queue up a bunch of WUs related to that. There is generally several different WUs in progress at the same time. This is because when a WU misses a deadline, it automatically gets assigned to someone else. Or also can be because they have a target number of models they wish to run against a given protein, and if they are still short of the number they wanted, then they throw a few additional WUs for that protein on to the queue.

In the end, it's basically random as to which WU you will get. I wasn't certain what you meant about the CASP7 WU being the "lowest power". Most of the CASP proteins were quite large, and take a long time to crunch a single model. Perhaps that is what you meant. The credits are issued in a way that reflects the difficulty of the protein you get assigned. So, the credits should work out about the same either way.

Welcome to Rosetta! Be sure to check out the links available in the Project Information Index. Also, it looks like your WUs are crunching with just a 1hr runtime preference. It also appears you are crunching all day long, and perhaps with Rosetta as your only project. This is great. The project needs all the crunch time they can get. For yourself though, if your machine is going to be on all day (and night) anyway, you can save a lot of download bandwidth if you increase the WU runtime preference. This is discussed in this QA item. Setting the runtime preference higher will help you see more consistent runtimes too, because regardless of how it is set, you always have to crunch at least one complete model before reporting the WU back.

...and so perhaps that was your real question. Something more along the lines of "I normally crunch WUs in an hour, and sometimes these CASP7 WUs run for several hours, what gives?" ...this is normal. It can take some of those WUs 3 hours or so (longer on a slower machine) to complete that first model. And the estimated time to completion and the % progress displayed during that time are... well... less then intuitive, let's say it that way :) This is described further in the QA link above.


ID: 25953 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Richard A Arch

Send message
Joined: 28 May 06
Posts: 23
Credit: 49,760
RAC: 0
Message 25954 - Posted: 3 Sep 2006, 15:52:14 UTC - in response to Message 25863.  

Well, there is a team of scientists in the Rosetta lab. Each working on different strategies or different proteins and wanting to run their work. They basically decide amongst them which work will yield the most interesting results and they queue up a bunch of WUs related to that. There is generally several different WUs in progress at the same time. This is because when a WU misses a deadline, it automatically gets assigned to someone else. Or also can be because they have a target number of models they wish to run against a given protein, and if they are still short of the number they wanted, then they throw a few additional WUs for that protein on to the queue.

In the end, it's basically random as to which WU you will get. I wasn't certain what you meant about the CASP7 WU being the "lowest power". Most of the CASP proteins were quite large, and take a long time to crunch a single model. Perhaps that is what you meant. The credits are issued in a way that reflects the difficulty of the protein you get assigned. So, the credits should work out about the same either way.

Welcome to Rosetta! Be sure to check out the links available in the Project Information Index. Also, it looks like your WUs are crunching with just a 1hr runtime preference. It also appears you are crunching all day long, and perhaps with Rosetta as your only project. This is great. The project needs all the crunch time they can get. For yourself though, if your machine is going to be on all day (and night) anyway, you can save a lot of download bandwidth if you increase the WU runtime preference. This is discussed in this QA item. Setting the runtime preference higher will help you see more consistent runtimes too, because regardless of how it is set, you always have to crunch at least one complete model before reporting the WU back.

...and so perhaps that was your real question. Something more along the lines of "I normally crunch WUs in an hour, and sometimes these CASP7 WUs run for several hours, what gives?" ...this is normal. It can take some of those WUs 3 hours or so (longer on a slower machine) to complete that first model. And the estimated time to completion and the % progress displayed during that time are... well... less then intuitive, let's say it that way :) This is described further in the QA link above.


ID: 25954 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Richard A Arch

Send message
Joined: 28 May 06
Posts: 23
Credit: 49,760
RAC: 0
Message 26018 - Posted: 4 Sep 2006, 19:00:05 UTC - in response to Message 25863.  

Well, there is a team of scientists in the Rosetta lab. Each working on different strategies or different proteins and wanting to run their work. They basically decide amongst them which work will yield the most interesting results and they queue up a bunch of WUs related to that. There is generally several different WUs in progress at the same time. This is because when a WU misses a deadline, it automatically gets assigned to someone else. Or also can be because they have a target number of models they wish to run against a given protein, and if they are still short of the number they wanted, then they throw a few additional WUs for that protein on to the queue.

In the end, it's basically random as to which WU you will get. I wasn't certain what you meant about the CASP7 WU being the "lowest power". Most of the CASP proteins were quite large, and take a long time to crunch a single model. Perhaps that is what you meant. The credits are issued in a way that reflects the difficulty of the protein you get assigned. So, the credits should work out about the same either way.

Welcome to Rosetta! Be sure to check out the links available in the Project Information Index. Also, it looks like your WUs are crunching with just a 1hr runtime preference. It also appears you are crunching all day long, and perhaps with Rosetta as your only project. This is great. The project needs all the crunch time they can get. For yourself though, if your machine is going to be on all day (and night) anyway, you can save a lot of download bandwidth if you increase the WU runtime preference. This is discussed in this QA item. Setting the runtime preference higher will help you see more consistent runtimes too, because regardless of how it is set, you always have to crunch at least one complete model before reporting the WU back.

...and so perhaps that was your real question. Something more along the lines of "I normally crunch WUs in an hour, and sometimes these CASP7 WUs run for several hours, what gives?" ...this is normal. It can take some of those WUs 3 hours or so (longer on a slower machine) to complete that first model. And the estimated time to completion and the % progress displayed during that time are... well... less then intuitive, let's say it that way :) This is described further in the QA link above.


ID: 26018 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Richard A Arch

Send message
Joined: 28 May 06
Posts: 23
Credit: 49,760
RAC: 0
Message 26020 - Posted: 4 Sep 2006, 19:02:02 UTC - in response to Message 25863.  

Well, there is a team of scientists in the Rosetta lab. Each working on different strategies or different proteins and wanting to run their work. They basically decide amongst them which work will yield the most interesting results and they queue up a bunch of WUs related to that. There is generally several different WUs in progress at the same time. This is because when a WU misses a deadline, it automatically gets assigned to someone else. Or also can be because they have a target number of models they wish to run against a given protein, and if they are still short of the number they wanted, then they throw a few additional WUs for that protein on to the queue.

In the end, it's basically random as to which WU you will get. I wasn't certain what you meant about the CASP7 WU being the "lowest power". Most of the CASP proteins were quite large, and take a long time to crunch a single model. Perhaps that is what you meant. The credits are issued in a way that reflects the difficulty of the protein you get assigned. So, the credits should work out about the same either way.

Welcome to Rosetta! Be sure to check out the links available in the Project Information Index. Also, it looks like your WUs are crunching with just a 1hr runtime preference. It also appears you are crunching all day long, and perhaps with Rosetta as your only project. This is great. The project needs all the crunch time they can get. For yourself though, if your machine is going to be on all day (and night) anyway, you can save a lot of download bandwidth if you increase the WU runtime preference. This is discussed in this QA item. Setting the runtime preference higher will help you see more consistent runtimes too, because regardless of how it is set, you always have to crunch at least one complete model before reporting the WU back.

...and so perhaps that was your real question. Something more along the lines of "I normally crunch WUs in an hour, and sometimes these CASP7 WUs run for several hours, what gives?" ...this is normal. It can take some of those WUs 3 hours or so (longer on a slower machine) to complete that first model. And the estimated time to completion and the % progress displayed during that time are... well... less then intuitive, let's say it that way :) This is described further in the QA link above.


ID: 26020 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Richard A Arch

Send message
Joined: 28 May 06
Posts: 23
Credit: 49,760
RAC: 0
Message 26021 - Posted: 4 Sep 2006, 19:02:53 UTC - in response to Message 25863.  

Well, there is a team of scientists in the Rosetta lab. Each working on different strategies or different proteins and wanting to run their work. They basically decide amongst them which work will yield the most interesting results and they queue up a bunch of WUs related to that. There is generally several different WUs in progress at the same time. This is because when a WU misses a deadline, it automatically gets assigned to someone else. Or also can be because they have a target number of models they wish to run against a given protein, and if they are still short of the number they wanted, then they throw a few additional WUs for that protein on to the queue.

In the end, it's basically random as to which WU you will get. I wasn't certain what you meant about the CASP7 WU being the "lowest power". Most of the CASP proteins were quite large, and take a long time to crunch a single model. Perhaps that is what you meant. The credits are issued in a way that reflects the difficulty of the protein you get assigned. So, the credits should work out about the same either way.

Welcome to Rosetta! Be sure to check out the links available in the Project Information Index. Also, it looks like your WUs are crunching with just a 1hr runtime preference. It also appears you are crunching all day long, and perhaps with Rosetta as your only project. This is great. The project needs all the crunch time they can get. For yourself though, if your machine is going to be on all day (and night) anyway, you can save a lot of download bandwidth if you increase the WU runtime preference. This is discussed in this QA item. Setting the runtime preference higher will help you see more consistent runtimes too, because regardless of how it is set, you always have to crunch at least one complete model before reporting the WU back.

...and so perhaps that was your real question. Something more along the lines of "I normally crunch WUs in an hour, and sometimes these CASP7 WUs run for several hours, what gives?" ...this is normal. It can take some of those WUs 3 hours or so (longer on a slower machine) to complete that first model. And the estimated time to completion and the % progress displayed during that time are... well... less then intuitive, let's say it that way :) This is described further in the QA link above.


ID: 26021 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Richard A Arch

Send message
Joined: 28 May 06
Posts: 23
Credit: 49,760
RAC: 0
Message 26023 - Posted: 4 Sep 2006, 19:05:29 UTC - in response to Message 25954.  

Well, there is a team of scientists in the Rosetta lab. Each working on different strategies or different proteins and wanting to run their work. They basically decide amongst them which work will yield the most interesting results and they queue up a bunch of WUs related to that. There is generally several different WUs in progress at the same time. This is because when a WU misses a deadline, it automatically gets assigned to someone else. Or also can be because they have a target number of models they wish to run against a given protein, and if they are still short of the number they wanted, then they throw a few additional WUs for that protein on to the queue.

In the end, it's basically random as to which WU you will get. I wasn't certain what you meant about the CASP7 WU being the "lowest power". Most of the CASP proteins were quite large, and take a long time to crunch a single model. Perhaps that is what you meant. The credits are issued in a way that reflects the difficulty of the protein you get assigned. So, the credits should work out about the same either way.

Welcome to Rosetta! Be sure to check out the links available in the Project Information Index. Also, it looks like your WUs are crunching with just a 1hr runtime preference. It also appears you are crunching all day long, and perhaps with Rosetta as your only project. This is great. The project needs all the crunch time they can get. For yourself though, if your machine is going to be on all day (and night) anyway, you can save a lot of download bandwidth if you increase the WU runtime preference. This is discussed in this QA item. Setting the runtime preference higher will help you see more consistent runtimes too, because regardless of how it is set, you always have to crunch at least one complete model before reporting the WU back.

...and so perhaps that was your real question. Something more along the lines of "I normally crunch WUs in an hour, and sometimes these CASP7 WUs run for several hours, what gives?" ...this is normal. It can take some of those WUs 3 hours or so (longer on a slower machine) to complete that first model. And the estimated time to completion and the % progress displayed during that time are... well... less then intuitive, let's say it that way :) This is described further in the QA link above.



ID: 26023 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Richard A Arch

Send message
Joined: 28 May 06
Posts: 23
Credit: 49,760
RAC: 0
Message 26030 - Posted: 4 Sep 2006, 19:16:10 UTC

TO: Feet1st, thanks very much for your explination, I did increase the 1 hour run time per WU. I think this project is of major importance, and i am very pleased to be part of it. I am sorry if I placed my question offtopic, and this thank you might also be in the wrong place, however, this is the only place I could find to thank you for your response. I am also looking to join a Team Do you have any recommendations to offer me, I would appreciat it. Thanks
ID: 26030 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Feet1st
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 30 Dec 05
Posts: 1755
Credit: 4,690,520
RAC: 0
Message 26114 - Posted: 5 Sep 2006, 17:00:37 UTC - in response to Message 26030.  

I am also looking to join a Team Do you have any recommendations to offer me, I would appreciat it. Thanks

Not a problem. As for teams, I guess I would look for one that shares your view of the importance of the project. And one that offers you information and resources that you find interesting. There is a thread in the Cafe bulletin board where teams place an advertisment of sorts. You could also look at all of the teams registered with the project here. Some of the statistics websites show the teams and their number of participating machines etc. All sorts of info. out there.

Keep in mind, you can always change your mind about which team to be a part of later on. So, it's not like you have to worry about joining what you later consider to be the "wrong" team.
Add this signature to your EMail:
Running Microsoft's "System Idle Process" will never help cure cancer, AIDS nor Alzheimer's. But running Rosetta@home just might!
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/
ID: 26114 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote

Questions and Answers : Wish list : WU



©2024 University of Washington
https://www.bakerlab.org