Jose, we the Teddies when setting up our alternate Boinc forum stated we would like visits from staff but understood they were busy. We were told at that time the scientist`s were too busy to go round and check/post at everyones forum. Which was fine we were not aggrieved by that, it was an open invitation. We didn`t directly invite Dr. Baker formally, inviting a General to a Privates mess is not the done thing for us.

Anyone was/is welcome to join our board, the only people so far to be banned are spammers. We are not everyones cup of tea and our rules are flimsy re off topic etc., and don`t expect space science from us, it isn`t really that serious a forum although in places......

We`re not worried David posted in XS but not Teddies, to be honest I doubt we`d have had much to say to him, we don`t do the science bit really but I`m sure one or two Teddies are up on it.We`re plain simple crunchers.

I am disappointed that DR. Baker chose to inform XS of things which ALSO should have been posted here, it would have stopped a great deal of the squabbles. Howether he is a scientist and they are known for being socially inept, geeky and can never get the girl ;-)

For those of you that have stayed the course, I haven`t, I think Dr.Baker & co., realise mistakes have been made and are trying to rectify them. So we can say that things are better than they were a week ago when you were all crunching away. He`s not going to be able to please everyone all of the time and to be honest imho he`s tried too hard already. He`s the head honcho of the organisation, he`s trying to implement changes to get an equilibrium that all are happy with, if you`re waiting around for a bravo juliet and a bunch of roses forget it, all he can do is try and it looks like he is.

The other problem, as I see it, is the optimized client, which you, after what I have read, have no problems with. It has been said here as long as I have around, when people have asked, that it wouldn't be necessary to use one, as the stock app should be optimized as much as it could be. So I was very surprised when I read that there is one after all, and it's apparently widespread used. Some say, they even use it over at Ralph.

There seem to be a misunderstanding. There is no optimized Rosetta app and it is unlikely there will be one since optimizations turn out to be difficult for the Rosetta app. There is an optimized boinc app though, but optimized relates only to the fact that this boinc app claims more credits. It does not do more work and certainly does not speed up the rosetta app. So people who are using the standard boinc app and the optimized boinc app produce the same science. The optimized boinc app however has had its entitlement for certain users which I now don't want to explain so it was not forbidden and considerd okay to use. However this has sparked tensions all the time since it resulted in very different granted credit for the same work. The new credit system will correct this and grant credit based on the actual work done so that the use of a standard boinc client or an optimized one does no longer matter.

I think some of the stock DC philosophy/sociology may need to be rethought, if a plain act of courtesy is constructed as a nefarious plot. I wont use the adjective that came into my mind to describe the situation , it would be inflamatory.

Jose, we the Teddies when setting up our alternate Boinc forum stated we would like visits from staff but understood they were busy. We were told at that time the scientist`s were too busy to go round and check/post at everyones forum. Which was fine we were not aggrieved by that, it was an open invitation. We didn`t directly invite Dr. Baker formally, inviting a General to a Privates mess is not the done thing for us.

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We`re not worried David posted in XS but not Teddies, to be honest I doubt we`d have had much to say to him, we don`t do the science bit really but I`m sure one or two Teddies are up on it.We`re plain simple crunchers.

I am disappointed that DR. Baker chose to inform XS of things which ALSO should have been posted here, it would have stopped a great deal of the squabbles. Howether he is a scientist and they are known for being socially inept, geeky and can never get the girl ;-)

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I think some of the stock DC philosophy/sociology may need to be rethought, if a plain act of courtesy is constructed as a nefarious plot. I wont use the adjective that came into my mind to describe the situation , it would be inflamatory.

The invitation and the posting as such was never something that offended anybody. It was the content, that seemed to imply disdain to small crunchers and implied the possibility to make one side of a running flamewar mods that incited this.

Jose, your invitation to Dr.Baker was good there was nothing wrong in that and if he wants to post at XS that is good too. What does APPEAR wrong is that he was saying things that should have rightly be said here too.

You were NOT wrong, it appears, not only my opinion but others, that in this instance DR.Baker was wrong in what he did.

I think we`re all agreed that Dr.Baker made a mistake....

Now do we forgive and move forward

or

Would you like to keep him in the doghouse longer, which imho serves no purpose.

I think we`re all agreed that Dr.Baker made a mistake....

Now do we forgive and move forward

or

Would you like to keep him in the doghouse longer, which imho serves no purpose.

Dont agree 100% on the mistake part.
We can agree 100% on the moving forward part.

I imagine he has aged eons during these last days..

Did you really thought there was a chance at backdating?

Carl you are a rational man. Let me ask you a question. Did you really thought there was a chance at backdating? David Baker was stating at XtremeSystems what should have been obvious to all.

Where he went wrong was in even entretaining the theoretical posibility of backdating. That is the problem with scientists they get involved in theories..

I will stop here. This post is getting close to being OT and of being rigtfully edited.

Did you really thought there was a chance at backdating?

To be honest, that episode meant nothing to me personally. I thought it would be a complex exercise with little REAL results. Yes I can see where people would say we can see what is real what is not etc.,

We can carry on being as Israel and Lebanon or we can move on, the peace won`t be easy, we`ve old war wounds, but it`s our choice.

We can carry on talking about what has been or we can talk about what might be next week, month, year.

I think the important thing now is to discuss the merits of the NEW points system without referring back.

I think we`re all agreed that Dr.Baker made a mistake....

Now do we forgive and move forward

or

Would you like to keep him in the doghouse longer, which imho serves no purpose.

Dont agree 100% on the mistake part.
We can agree 100% on the moving forward part.

I imagine he has aged eons during these last days..

I think, I agree more with carl than you, but I definitely agree with your last sentence;)

I fully agree with Fuzzy Hollynoodles!
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I fully agree with Fuzzy Hollynoodles!
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