@Laurenu2: You are one of those, having a BOINC version 5.5.0 with far too high benchmark results. What kind of BOINC client are you using? Why are the benchmarks that high?

Can you tell me what computer node are you referring to that is to high.
I even get lost in my network 70+ nodes Please give computer name not computer ID #
I have been restocking with new AMD X2's, are these the ones your talking about
If you look at the Top participants My first listing is about 20+ pages down
and the people in front of my first listing are using lesser computers then I.
So I would guess I am not getting that much more points for the work done

But as I said to the system Lords it would be best to make it all even for the same work done

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LOL...

I am running 2 Proc Servers and I am getting credits of 25 to 30 each. Must be doing something really wrong.

:-)

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@Laurenu2: You are one of those, having a BOINC version 5.5.0 with far too high benchmark results. What kind of BOINC client are you using? Why are the benchmarks that high?

Can you tell me what computer node are you referring to that is to high.
I even get lost in my network 70+ nodes Please give computer name not computer ID #

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=221521

This one has quite high credits-per-minute, between 3 and 5 times what I'd have expected a CPU of this type to get (particularly when you consider that it's doing two work units at a time). Benchmark is 12.5K, about 3 times higher than my single-core A64 overclockedclocked to 2.5MHz.

Owner Laurenu2
Created 16 May 2006 6:23:41 UTC
Total Credit 45,384.05
Recent average credit 1,521.67
CPU type AuthenticAMD
AMD Athlon(tm)64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
Number of CPUs 2
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP
Professional Edition, Service Pack 2, (05.01.2600.00)
Memory 447.29 MB
Cache 976.56 KB
Measured floating point speed 3829.02 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 12506.96 million ops/sec
Average upload rate 6.88 KB/sec
Average download rate Unknown
Average turnaround time 1.07 days
Maximum daily WU quota per CPU 100/day
Results 201

Typically it's getting 65 credit per 6,500 second WU (and obviously will be processing two at a time, hence 1 credit per 50 seconds.

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This is sounding more and more like the SETI boards before the big brouhaha erupted. So let's make something clear: Hell is going to freeze over before we allow the SETI situation to happen here. Need I remind people how a comment insinuating that a person was cheating degenerated in a mess and ugly name calling.

So to all of you posting here : if you are going to question some-one's production DO IT IN PRIVATE to them . This is not the place to question a person production.

Let's make this perfectly clear: the use of optimized clients is not perse , cheating. First of all their existence is well known to Boinc users and second their use has not been prohibited by the developers of Rosetta. So, please. stop using cheating and optimized clients in the same sentence. Doing so is an invitation for a flame war that we do not need in here and we don't want in here.

Lets also make clear that many of the suggestions proposed to create an "even field benchmark" are not feasible for Rosetta as the multiple quorums required is a waste of computing resources.

Be conscious that the developers are working on an internal benchmark appropriate for the scope of this project and the type of crunchers that join this project. Let us let them work on it, test it and submit it to the comments and suggestions of the members of this community. Do not make their work harder by situations like the one that is starting to develop here: specific people are having their production ( and BTW their credibility ) questioned. It took very little to have the big brouhaha at SETI started, I repeat don't start in here.

Right now there is a more important issue than "fixing" the credit issue ( if there is really a credit issue); it is called CASP 7 let's not loose sight of this. Anything that diverts our energies from CASP 7 is not helpful to the project.


BTW: don't think that the developers are not looking at credit claims that look unreal and cannot be explained rationally: they are working on it as we speak. Please let the group that is working on that do their work without having to become fire fighters putting down flames and flamers.


A final question: does one really believe there is a single credit system that will keep everyone happy? So why do we keep asking for what we know is but a philosophical impossibility?

This is not SETI, do not bring your SETI baggage and conflicts in here. Enough is enough.

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Can some one tell me how someone with only has 3,822.20 points get a RAC of 30,128.86??

6 PF2002 30,128.86 3,822.20 Netherlands 3 Jan 2006 15:17:02 UTC

I have 66+ PC's running 24/7 and upload 2X's his over all total every 6 HR's and my RAC is 31,650.90 Thats only 1500 more then his

Is this guy cheating by changing the numbers on his end

Do you have his computer ID? If so please contact me at joseantonio@choicecable.net or contact BOK. Do so ASAP, please

No his Computers are hidden from the public

There is the posibility a person merged all his ghosts into a single real computer/host.

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I really did not want to offend or attack someone. If someone felt attacked or offended by me, please excuse me.

cu, Jochen

[Edit:] I just tried to edit my posts, but I can't anymore... Is there a moderator that could delete them?

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While 3rd party stats sites may use their own algorithms to create a daily average credit rating (that makes more sense than the Boinc RAC does to most of us.. :) the Rosetta server is creating the Credit score and RAC that are being listed at the left of our messages - unless I've been misled.
Laurenu2 mentioned seeing a system with a RAC 8 times larger than its actual credits; and I've seen similar results (much smaller, though) from some of the first time posters lately.

For one of the project programmers - Is there a problem with the RAC calculation and the new 5.50 server code? Are the systems with the larger RAC than actual credit scores from ghosted systems - i.e. the problem BAM users? i.e. the Boinc RAC calculator can't handle ghosted systems?

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Typically it's getting 65 credit per 6,500 second WU (and obviously will be processing two at a time, hence 1 credit per 50 seconds.

Which would result in 36 credits per hour per CPU.
My FX-60 gets 357 credits for a 24 hour work unit: 15 credits per hour per CPU.

Just a wild stab in the dark: You are using some optimized clients for other projects and therefor run a calibrating BOINC application and forgot to turn off calibration for Rosetta?

cu, Jochen

Jochen
Can I ask how old your FX-60 system IS ?
Do you use the system at all? Do you have any firewall, anti Virus running?
Do you use that FX-60 for anything except crunching Rosetta?

This computer is brand new and has both cores working ONLY Rose
The OS is NEW with no programs loaded except Rosetta and There is no I/O like sound, mouse/KB to rob cycles
And yes I do have them OC But Look At there OUTPUT 100jobs per week
That machine is 2 weeks old and did 200+ jobs
your FX60 has been working for 6 months and has only done 21 jobs
With a record like that I can see why your grumpy with High RAC's
You might want to do some general maintenance defrag. spy ware blow out all the cooling, reset the CPU with new paste.
But if you look at all the finished jobs I did I am sure you will see I do run faster cleaner PC then most just by the number of jobs I complete compared to other members with the same PC in the same time frame

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Jochen,

Yes, I can do that. But which ones do you want deleted?

Actually all my above posts.

Dear Moderator9,

First of all, I'd like to apologize for warming up a topic that has been discussed to death.
I wanted to know, if I'm doing something wrong. I was looking for a fault in my installations.
After reading Jose post and my posts again, I agreed with Jose and that is why I asked to remove my posts. They could cause disturbance. That is something I don't want.

This project is doing work that WILL save lives...

This is the most important reason, why I don't want to cause any further trouble.

Thank you for your detailed explanation. I will try to be more careful in the future.

Kind regards,

Jochen

@Laurenu2: As recommended, we should continue this discussion in private. I'd be happy to hear from you. My e-mail adress is: jr <at> jr101.de

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[quote]As a personal aside (Jose need not read further)[quote]

As one of the people that is working on on the documentation intensive job of identifying those "weird credit claims" I get frustrated to see what is going on. If I sound harsh and I will plead guilty as not to be diplomatic it is because I know of the efforts by the Rosetta Developers to workout and develop a fair benchmark. But I cannot expect nor will expect the scientists to drop everything to deal with such a minor issue as credits. That is not their primary job.

So people know: one of the problems we, who are working with the questioned claims , is that there are cases we are dealing with unique machines, very radical machines so modified to the point of extracting all the crunching power possible. In many cases machines that only run Rosetta. At least in my case I am trying to document every single machine ( to the extent of my abilities) and comparing the claims against the benchmark databases that are available. It takes time, specially when for reasons that are obvious I will submit many of the computers I have documented to another person for follow up and for check. My team members can vouch I have even asked them for more details of their machines. And right now, I and other people are running some trial runs of possible programs that could affect benchmarks to get a better comparison. This takes time specially when one wants to be fair and when one doesn't want to be disruptive of the science project that is going on.


I have been very honest with those who asked me to join the task of checking the credits about my fears of how this credit thing can degenerate in an useless and counter productive brouhaha like the one that happened in another community. I do not want that for Rosetta.

I have also been very honest on the fact that I do believe that credits are but the frosting of a nice cake. And that as such they have a good use: I have seen the search for credits used to motivate people that have computers capable of producing a lot of models to enter the fray. To me that is the use of credits...motivation to get computers in: nothing less , nothing more.

That said: If I have offended someone with my candor and my bluntness: please accept my apoogies. To the Moderators my apologies if I in the way I express my opinion have not helped to keep the civility that has been the norm here.


That said: please if any of you has a question regarding claims, feel free to contact me at joseantonio@choicecable.net.

Jose

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I find it hard to believe that Rosetta or Boinc can make the point system in place now a fair and even field, way to Manny clients, OS's, and type CPUs , conch's, And Hyper Overclocking to deal with.

Back to my original Question about RAC How can a member get a Rac that is

8X his total points

I might be slow but I am having trouble understanding how the RAC is formulated

I know it is not of any real value here. But I do like to understand how things work

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Thanks Mod9 that helped a little I think
Computer code always make my eyes go Cross eyed

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Thanks Mod9 that helped a little I think
Computer code always make my eyes go Cross eyed

In my case code drives me to drink :)

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Thanks Mod9 that helped a little I think
Computer code always make my eyes go Cross eyed

In my case code drives me to drink :)

I always wrote my best code when drunk. The comments didn't make much sense but the code worked !! Hick-up... Hick-up.. :)
Thinking about it.... thats probably the reason I am now in Hardware... lol

Jochen
Can I ask how old your FX-60 system IS ?
Do you use the system at all? Do you have any firewall, anti Virus running?
Do you use that FX-60 for anything except crunching Rosetta?

This is my gaming rig. I purchased the CPU and memory in March, the other parts were purchased in September 2005 .
I am only running a virus scanner (but I excepted BOINC & Rosetta from scanning).
This system is used for gaming about 2 hours a day. In the remaining time it is running Rosetta only (which is halted, when I play games).

Jochen
This computer is brand new and has both cores working ONLY Rose
The OS is NEW with no programs loaded except Rosetta and There is no I/O like sound, mouse/KB to rob cycles
And yes I do have them OC But Look At there OUTPUT 100jobs per week
That machine is 2 weeks old and did 200+ jobs
your FX60 has been working for 6 months and has only done 21 jobs
With a record like that I can see why your grumpy with High RAC's
You might want to do some general maintenance defrag. spy ware blow out all the cooling, reset the CPU with new paste.
But if you look at all the finished jobs I did I am sure you will see I do run faster cleaner PC then most just by the number of jobs I complete compared to other members with the same PC in the same time frame

Again, I wasn't complaining about the RAC. As well, I started crunching Rosetta 10 days ago. And I am running 24-hour work units on the FX-60 and the X24800, since a couple of days. Considering this, 21 jobs is not to bad. The maximum output is 14 work units in one week...
I consider my machine to be fast, even if I don't overclock it right now. During the cold months, I'm able to run the FX-60 at 3 GHz (Prime stable). Of course it has a water cooling system build in. Memory is rather fast as well (OCZ Platinum). The system is in perfect shape, believe it.

cu, Jochen

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Jochen
This computer is brand new and has both cores working ONLY Rose
The OS is NEW with no programs loaded except Rosetta and There is no I/O like sound, mouse/KB to rob cycles
And yes I do have them OC But Look At there OUTPUT 100jobs per week
That machine is 2 weeks old and did 200+ jobs
your FX60 has been working for 6 months and has only done 21 jobs
With a record like that I can see why your grumpy with High RAC's
You might want to do some general maintenance defrag. spy ware blow out all the cooling, reset the CPU with new paste.
But if you look at all the finished jobs I did I am sure you will see I do run faster cleaner PC then most just by the number of jobs I complete compared to other members with the same PC in the same time frame

Again, I wasn't complaining about the RAC. As well, I started crunching Rosetta 10 days ago. And I am running 24-hour work units on the FX-60 and the X24800, since a couple of days. Considering this, 21 jobs is not to bad. The maximum output is 14 work units in one week...
I consider my machine to be fast, even if I don't overclock it right now. During the cold months, I'm able to run the FX-60 at 3 GHz (Prime stable). Of course it has a water cooling system build in. Memory is rather fast as well (OCZ Platinum). The system is in perfect shape, believe it.

cu, Jochen
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Man I am so sorely tempted to recruit you for my team :) and so would any team.
:) :)

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Man I am so sorely tempted to recruit you for my team :) and so would any team.
:) :)

Do It! At least for the Million Point Day!

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Man I am so sorely tempted to recruit you for my team :) and so would any team.
:) :)

Do It! At least for the Million Point Day!

I would have done that. But it is too late now, isn't it?

Jochen

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Man I am so sorely tempted to recruit you for my team :) and so would any team.
:) :)

Do It! At least for the Million Point Day!

seems like your a Day late and 2500 points short

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Man I am so sorely tempted to recruit you for my team :) and so would any team.
:) :)

Do It! At least for the Million Point Day!

seems like your a Day late and 2500 points short

Hey Laurenu...tell PY22 we are going for his fridge..he better have it well stocked LOL LOL LOL

I am checking the real time stats for the 24 hour period ... The million credit day was fun and hectic.... my first rough estimate is that we came close if not over 750 K.

But as I have said before and as many of the great individual crunchers and teams know..credits are but a piece of candy that motivates people : the key to help Rosetta is to get more and more computers involved ..so we use the challenges, the Free Dc of top spot goal and the BBQs , Stampedes and all that fun stuff like the million credit day to get more computers in; to hook people into DC and most important into Rosetta.

That is why contrary to what many people think people in opposing teams are basically friends with each other..we bait each other in good fun and we try to bribe them into our respective teams...If that fails we will even try taking hostages ( Note to Laureanu, please do get ready for hostage duty : we will be kidnapping some of you in the DC Team and some cows and others...LOL LOL ) We are taking a rest to get the machines to cool down a bit but we will go again for the One million Day Project.


Ps to all that read this .. Any team can have fun with their own projects : The idea is to set up a high production goal..promote the goal and recruit new people into Rosetta and then motivate the new recruits to stay after the project.... The goal/reason for all of this as you will notice is not credits per se but how we get more people into Rosetta ...so try to create a team challenge and recruit more people. Very important have fun while doing it.

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