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Message 108947 - Posted: 8 Mar 2024, 19:07:01 UTC - in response to Message 108941.  

I continue not to see rosetta@home in the list of the projects....


I continue not to see the beginning of a log where Boinc has just been restarted.
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Message 108951 - Posted: 8 Mar 2024, 22:26:22 UTC - in response to Message 108940.  
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3/8/2024 12:17:22 AM | Einstein@Home | Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
....
3/8/2024 8:47:20 AM | Einstein@Home | Reporting 1 completed tasks
Still not what we asked for.
The section you posted goes from 12:17 in the morning to 8:47 later that night. That's 8.5 hours.

We asked you to exit BOINC. Wait 20 seconds, Restart it. Then 5 minutes later (not over 8 hours, 5 minutes) post the Event log. I posted a copy of mine so you could see exactly what we are asking for.
You still haven't done that.




Instead of trying to figure out what is actually the problem, i'll tell you what you need to do (but given that twice in a row now you haven't done as we have asked i don't hold out much hope of it being done).
In your BOINC Manager, with the Advanced view selected, you need to make sure the Projects tab is selected.
Click on Rosetta@home.
In the Status tab it should be blank.
If it says "Suspended by user", click on the Resume button.
If it says "Won't get new Tasks", click on the Allow new Tasks button


Given the number of projects you are attached to, you should have no cache at all.
Store at least xx days of work should be set to 0.1
Store up to an additional xx days of work should be set to 0.01

If all projects are of equal importance to you, the Resource share setting for each and every one should be 100. If one project is more important, give it a higher value. If one is less important than others, give it a lower value.


Normally the Cache & Resource share settings are done using the web based preferences in your account on each project. Resource share is set on each project, the cache settings on one project will apply to all. The cache can be set locally- if yo have done that, then that's where you need to do it now as local settings override Web based settings.



However, since you are using BAM you need to use that in order to set your Resource share (and probably many other settings i'm not aware of). So for that, you'll need support from the BAM site.
Anything set locally (ie on your computer's BOINC Manager), will probably still need to be done locally.
Good luck.
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Message 108952 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 5:18:47 UTC - in response to Message 108951.  

The Status tab is blank for all of my projects.

I definitely did not wait 8 hours. I watched my clock and did the five minutes you said to do. Maybe you are being confused by our different time zones. I am in The U.S. and by the way your log expresses the date you are not. I started just after midnight U.S. EST.
I think all of this is nonsense. Rosetta tells me I completed two tasks so I should have gotten more tasks.There is no reason that it should have quit. I have not changed anything in the installation of any of my projects and all of my other projects are running just fine.
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Message 108953 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 6:10:13 UTC - in response to Message 108952.  
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I definitely did not wait 8 hours. I watched my clock and did the five minutes you said to do. Maybe you are being confused by our different time zones. I am in The U.S. and by the way your log expresses the date you are not. I started just after midnight U.S. EST.
You need to read what you posted.

Once again -
3/8/2024 12:17:22 AM | Einstein@Home | Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.

....

3/8/2024 8:47:20 AM | Einstein@Home | Reporting 1 completed tasks
Regardless of the date format- 12:17 am to 8:47am is 8.5 hours all around the world.

If you did what you claim to have done- ie re-started BOINC just after midnight, then posted the contents of the Event log after five minutes, then all that would be there in the Event log would be the initial messages, with a time span of around 5 minutes (or less- just like the one i posted) from first to last, not all of the messages you did post (without any of the initial ones we actually need), with a final time stamp 8.5 hours after the first posted message, and 9 hours after the time you said you restarted BOINC.
It's that simple.



I think all of this is nonsense. Rosetta tells me I completed two tasks so I should have gotten more tasks.There is no reason that it should have quit. I have not changed anything in the installation of any of my projects and all of my other projects are running just fine.

What is nonsense is that you come here asking for help, yet you won't provide all the information we need in order to help you. If you were to post what we asked for, we could help you figure out what is going, but as you won't/can't, then we can't help.
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Message 108956 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 10:49:41 UTC

As an alternative method, reboot your machine, restart Boinc and then copy the event log after 5 minutes.

That will guarantee that we get the head of the log file which is what we need.
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Message 108958 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 12:50:00 UTC - in response to Message 108956.  

I will attempt to do this one more time. I will reboot, start BOINC, wait five minutes and get the log file.

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Message 108959 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 13:09:46 UTC - in response to Message 108958.  

3/9/2024 7:57:25 AM | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
3/9/2024 7:57:25 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.24.1 for windows_x86_64
3/9/2024 7:57:25 AM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
3/9/2024 7:57:25 AM | | Libraries: libcurl/8.2.1-DEV Schannel zlib/1.2.13
3/9/2024 7:57:25 AM | | Data directory: C:ProgramDataBOINC
3/9/2024 7:57:25 AM | | Running under account Administrator
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: NVIDIA T1000 (driver version 535.98, CUDA version 12.2, compute capability 7.5, 4096MB, 4096MB available, 2500 GFLOPS peak)
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: NVIDIA T1000 (driver version 535.98, device version OpenCL 3.0 CUDA, 4096MB, 4096MB available, 2500 GFLOPS peak)
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) UHD Graphics 750 (driver version 30.0.101.2079, device version OpenCL 3.0 NEO, 6398MB, 6398MB available, 333 GFLOPS peak)
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | Windows processor group 0: 16 processors
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | Host name: DESKTOP-SAGIH20
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | Processor: 16 GenuineIntel 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11700 @ 2.50GHz [Family 6 Model 167 Stepping 1]
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 vmx smx tm2 pbe fsgsbase bmi1 smep bmi2
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 11: Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.22631.00)
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | Memory: 15.62 GB physical, 17.18 GB virtual
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | Disk: 475.69 GB total, 335.73 GB free
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | Local time is UTC -5 hours
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | No WSL found.
3/9/2024 7:57:26 AM | | VirtualBox version: 7.0.6
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | GPUGRID | General prefs: from GPUGRID (last modified 16-Feb-2024 23:38:58)
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | GPUGRID | Host location: none
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | GPUGRID | General prefs: using your defaults
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | Preferences:
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - When computer is in use
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - 'In use' means mouse/keyboard input in last 1.00 minutes
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max CPUs used: 8
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Use at most 50% of the CPU time
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max memory usage: 7.81 GB
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - When computer is not in use
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max CPUs used: 8
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Use at most 50% of the CPU time
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max memory usage: 12.50 GB
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Suspend if no input in last 1.00 minutes
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Leave apps in memory if not running
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Store at least 0.00 days of work
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Store up to an additional 3.00 days of work
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max disk usage: 10.00 GB
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | Setting up project and slot directories
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | Checking active tasks
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | Milkyway@home | Task de_nbody_11_02_2023_v183_pal5__data__3_1705435140_127599_1 is 5.68 days overdue; you may not get credit for it. Consider aborting it.
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | Using account manager BOINCstatsBAM!
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | Asteroids@home | URL https://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/; Computer ID 755748; resource share 100
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | Einstein@Home | URL https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 13166943; resource share 100
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | GPUGRID | URL https://www.gpugrid.net/; Computer ID 614635; resource share 100
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | LHC@home | URL https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/; Computer ID 10840981; resource share 100
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | Milkyway@home | URL http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/; Computer ID 1012761; resource share 100
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | NumberFields@home | URL http://numberfields.asu.edu/NumberFields/; Computer ID 2871970; resource share 100
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | Rosetta@home | URL https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/; Computer ID 6272126; resource share 100
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | World Community Grid | URL http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID 8799902; resource share 200
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | World Community Grid | Not using NVIDIA GPU: project preferences
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | World Community Grid | Not using Intel GPU: project preferences
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | Setting up GUI RPC socket
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | Checking presence of 237 project files
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | GPUGRID | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | GPUGRID | Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU and Intel GPU
3/9/2024 7:57:32 AM | GPUGRID | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
3/9/2024 7:57:32 AM | GPUGRID | No tasks sent
3/9/2024 7:57:32 AM | GPUGRID | Project requested delay of 11 seconds
3/9/2024 7:57:38 AM | NumberFields@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
3/9/2024 7:57:38 AM | NumberFields@home | Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU and Intel GPU
3/9/2024 7:57:39 AM | NumberFields@home | Scheduler request completed: got 7 new tasks
3/9/2024 7:57:39 AM | NumberFields@home | Project requested delay of 31 seconds
3/9/2024 7:57:41 AM | NumberFields@home | Started download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616687of10485760.dat
3/9/2024 7:57:41 AM | NumberFields@home | Started download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616689of10485760.dat
3/9/2024 7:57:42 AM | NumberFields@home | Finished download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616687of10485760.dat (1617 bytes)
3/9/2024 7:57:42 AM | NumberFields@home | Finished download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616689of10485760.dat (1621 bytes)
3/9/2024 7:57:42 AM | NumberFields@home | Started download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616748of10485760.dat
3/9/2024 7:57:42 AM | NumberFields@home | Started download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8612438of10485760.dat
3/9/2024 7:57:43 AM | NumberFields@home | Finished download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616748of10485760.dat (1628 bytes)
3/9/2024 7:57:43 AM | NumberFields@home | Finished download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8612438of10485760.dat (1637 bytes)
3/9/2024 7:57:43 AM | NumberFields@home | Started download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616515of10485760.dat
3/9/2024 7:57:43 AM | NumberFields@home | Started download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616514of10485760.dat
3/9/2024 7:57:44 AM | NumberFields@home | Finished download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616515of10485760.dat (1622 bytes)
3/9/2024 7:57:44 AM | NumberFields@home | Finished download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616514of10485760.dat (1593 bytes)
3/9/2024 7:57:44 AM | NumberFields@home | Started download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616513of10485760.dat
3/9/2024 7:57:44 AM | Einstein@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
3/9/2024 7:57:44 AM | Einstein@Home | Requesting new tasks for Intel GPU
3/9/2024 7:57:45 AM | NumberFields@home | Finished download of sf6_DS-13x11_Grp8616513of10485760.dat (1607 bytes)
3/9/2024 7:57:45 AM | Einstein@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
3/9/2024 7:57:45 AM | Einstein@Home | No work sent
3/9/2024 7:57:45 AM | Einstein@Home | see scheduler log messages on https://einsteinathome.org/host/13166943/log
3/9/2024 7:57:45 AM | Einstein@Home | Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo,GBT,A) is not available for your type of computer.
3/9/2024 7:57:45 AM | Einstein@Home | Project requested delay of 60 seconds
3/9/2024 8:05:50 AM | Einstein@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
3/9/2024 8:05:50 AM | Einstein@Home | Requesting new tasks for Intel GPU
3/9/2024 8:05:51 AM | Einstein@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
3/9/2024 8:05:51 AM | Einstein@Home | No work sent
3/9/2024 8:05:51 AM | Einstein@Home | see scheduler log messages on https://einsteinathome.org/host/13166943/log
3/9/2024 8:05:51 AM | Einstein@Home | Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo,GBT,A) is not available for your type of computer.
3/9/2024 8:05:51 AM | Einstein@Home | Project requested delay of 60 seconds
3/9/2024 8:07:52 AM | NumberFields@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
3/9/2024 8:07:52 AM | NumberFields@home | Requesting new tasks for Intel GPU
3/9/2024 8:07:53 AM | NumberFields@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
3/9/2024 8:07:53 AM | NumberFields@home | Project requested delay of 31 seconds
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Message 108960 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 13:11:53 UTC - in response to Message 108959.  

I hope I got what you wanted this time. I rebooted, started BOINC with a watch in hand, counted five minutes and then got the log file.

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Message 108961 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 13:47:59 UTC - in response to Message 108960.  

I hope I got what you wanted this time. I rebooted, started BOINC with a watch in hand, counted five minutes and then got the log file.

Thanks.


Much better :-)
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Message 108962 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 14:01:18 UTC

A couple of stand out lines :-

3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Suspend if no input in last 1.00 minutes
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Leave apps in memory if not running
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Store at least 0.00 days of work
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Store up to an additional 3.00 days of work
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max disk usage: 10.00 GB

The first will leave your tasks suspended most of the time.

The second is probably your problem, you are running a lot of projects and Rosetta, on its own, can easily use 5gb. Try increasing your disk limit to 100gb (it’s reporting over 300gb free and it won’t use more than it needs).

Then set all other projects to no new tasks and do an update on Rosetta, when that has finished set your other projects back to accept new tasks.

If this does not pull any tasks then post the event log entries relating to the attempt.
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Message 108963 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 15:26:49 UTC - in response to Message 108962.  

THanks for all of your help, but I am not going to change anything in the installation. I installed everything with the default configurations. Since the other projects are running successfully zi do not want to intercede. If that means I have to give up on Rosetta, so be it. Years ago, when things were simpler, I contributed well to Rosetta and will have to leave it at that.

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Message 108965 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 18:28:05 UTC - in response to Message 108963.  

Guess what!! Rosetta attempted to send me a task. But it seemed to not actually be active. I have clicked on Reset Project hoping this will help.

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Message 108966 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 22:38:09 UTC - in response to Message 108965.  
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Any further help will be appreciated. I will attempt to answer any questions.
You say further help will be appreciated, yet you won't do what is needed to get what you ask for.


THanks for all of your help, but I am not going to change anything in the installation. I installed everything with the default configurations.
You may have installed them with the default settings, but you have changed most of them since then.
Many of the settings you have are not the default.
WCG Resource share setting is 200, the default it 100.
The default cache setting is not 0+3
The default Max CPU usage is all, you are only using half.
Use at most 50% of the CPU time is actually 100%
Suspend if no input in last 1.00 minutes, pretty sure the default for that is 3 (and also pretty sure it's not enabled by default, but i could be wrong on that).

You have changed numerous default values to a values that make it damn near impossible for BOINC to actually do what you say you want it to- hence the reason you haven't had any Rosetta work for ages.
Here is a good example of why things aren't working well (inspite of your claims)
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | Milkyway@home | Task de_nbody_11_02_2023_v183_pal5__data__3_1705435140_127599_1 is 5.68 days overdue; you may not get credit for it. Consider aborting it.

Your computer hasn't been able to get work for Rosetta until now because it's not able to complete the work you already have in time to actually get Credit for it.



Resetting the project was completely unnecessary.
If you are going to ask people for help, then you need to actually pay attention to the advice they give you. Doing things at random- which is probably how you have most of your non-default settings, makes things more difficult and is more likely to result in even more issues occurring.



EDIT- anyway, soon no-one will be getting any Rosetta work- it's almost out.
Other than Resends It could a few days, or a month or 2, before the next batch is available for processing.





Even though you don't want to fix the issue, i'll post the fix here for others that might benefit from reading this thread.

3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | Preferences:
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - When computer is in use
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - 'In use' means mouse/keyboard input in last 1.00 minutes
Other than doing timing sensitive work (such as audio recording), "Suspend when computer is in use" should not be selected. (Same for suspend CPU computing when computer is in use, it should not be selected either; in the case of games there are better options).


3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max CPUs used: 8
Should be "Use at most 100 % of the CPUs"


3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Use at most 50% of the CPU time
Should be "Use at most 100 % of CPU time" (for a desktop, current laptops with their limited cooling may need that set to 90% or less in order to prevent thermal throttling).


3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max memory usage: 7.81 GB
Should be "When computer is in use, use at most 90%" and "When computer is not in use, use at most 90%" on any system with more than 8GB of RAM, otherwise i would suggest 70% for when in use & not in use.


3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - When computer is not in use
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max CPUs used: 8
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Use at most 50% of the CPU time
3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max memory usage: 12.50 GB
Should all be the same as for the earlier "When in use" settings.


3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Suspend if no input in last 1.00 minutes
This should be left blank.


3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Leave apps in memory if not running
If you've got 32GB or more RAM, and 16 or less cores/threads, this value is OK. Lesser RAM, more cores threads, then it's best not to leave apps in memory if not running, particularly if running multiple projects. Just one project, less likely to be an issue.


3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Store at least 0.00 days of work
Running more than one project, this should be 0. Even with just one project, unless they are very unreliable, around 0.2 or so.

3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Store up to an additional 3.00 days of work
Should be 0.01


3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - max disk usage: 10.00 GB
Given the size of storage these days, and the size of many project's files, this should be
"Use no more than 20 GB"
"Leave at least 2 GB free"
"Use no more than 60 % of total"
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Message 108967 - Posted: 9 Mar 2024, 23:39:58 UTC - in response to Message 108966.  

First, I did not change any settings from the default configurations installed. Even the WCG installation, which has sent me work, is the default installation.

Second, I only hit Reset on Rosetta thinking it might help. I had gotten a Rosetta screensaver showing no work going on. But getting the screensaver had me thinking Rosetta was alive.

Third, I have two Rosetta tasks which have started and while only 0.211% progress maybe they will make it in time.

I find it hard to believe that Rosetta might be nearing its end. I have followed David Baker and the Baker Lab at U Washington for a very long time. I hope it is just a lag in getting new work.

Since the rest of my projects seem to be working O.K., I will not be changing anything.

You guys have been persistent and great.

Many of us who are not scientists know little about how BOINC works but simply want to feel we are contributing to scientific research if only in this small way.

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Message 108968 - Posted: 10 Mar 2024, 1:00:04 UTC - in response to Message 108967.  

Third, I have two Rosetta tasks which have started and while only 0.211% progress maybe they will make it in time.
Or maybe not.
Rosetta has a 3 day deadline. The Tasks normally take 8 hours to process. With your "Use at most 50% of the CPU time" setting (but only using half of your available cores/threads), that will most likely push it out several hours more per Task. But with your "Suspend if no input in last 1.00 minutes" then who knows just how much processing will get actually done during the periods the computer is on.


I find it hard to believe that Rosetta might be nearing its end. I have followed David Baker and the Baker Lab at U Washington for a very long time. I hope it is just a lag in getting new work.
It has been years since Rosetta had regular work available.
This has been the longest period of work being available since March last year. In between, it's been a case of work being available for a few hours or less, with days & often weeks between the next hour or so of work being available.


Since the rest of my projects seem to be working O.K., I will not be changing anything.
And as i pointed out- that is not true.
Your other projects are not "working OK" if you are missing deadlines- especially so if by 5+ days.
Looking at your Milkyway Tasks, you have returned 3 Valid Tasks. 27 Tasks have errored out because you didn't complete them in time, so they timed out.

Prime Grid you don't have any work, and what you did have timed out because it too missed the deadline. LHC you have no work, yet both projects have work available.
So there is no way that you can seriously claim your projects are working OK with your present settings.
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Message 108969 - Posted: 10 Mar 2024, 9:42:47 UTC - in response to Message 108966.  

3/9/2024 7:57:31 AM | | - Use at most 50% of the CPU time
Should be "Use at most 100 % of CPU time" (for a desktop, current laptops with their limited cooling may need that set to 90% or less in order to prevent thermal throttling).
Considering he's running Milkyway: no, must be 100% or Milkyway's N-Body might get stuck, that might be the explanation for the task which is past the deadline. So use less cores if the system cooling is insufficient.


@Richard Mitnick: If you are not going to change anything, what's the point of asking for help? You changed the not so good default settings to complete BS and when people tell you what you need to change to get it to work properly again, you refuse to do it. Your cache settings prevent any project, from which you have no tasks running from getting any new work, because your 0 days cache is filled up with additional 3 days everytime BOINC is reporting a completed task. That's why you got new work when you reset the project, because that forced BOINC to contact the servers and ask for minimal amount of work. Otherwise it only contacts servers to report completed tasks and any requests for new work are added to those by the "additional 3 days". No dedicated scheduler requests for new work.
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Message 108970 - Posted: 10 Mar 2024, 15:42:39 UTC - in response to Message 108968.  

I do not have Prime Grid as one of my projects, unless you mean GPUGRID.

There is a whole world of non-scientists who would like to contribute to scientific research and could do so via BOINC. But we are mostly simple unsophisticated folk who cannot deal with all of the complexities of BOINC. BOINC could attract more of us if it were simpler to use.

I attached to a number of projects using the default configurations to keep things simple. After installation I did not touch the configuration, but I am told that somehow there were many changes to the projects. I have no idea how that happened.

I am also participating in Folding@home. With this set of projects there is absolutely noting to do after the install. It just runs, even if the browser is closed.

Possibly BOINC should consider making things simpler which might attract more users.

If I have my number right,

Currently BOINC reaches a 24-hour average: 20.998 PetaFLOPS, expressed as 10^15 FLOPS

Folding@home reaches 1.22 exaflops expressed as 10^18 FLOPS.

So Folding is expressing several orders of magnitude beyond BOINC.

Is there a lesson there?

BOINC projects are much more interesting than those of Folding and should attract many more participants.
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Message 108971 - Posted: 10 Mar 2024, 16:42:13 UTC - in response to Message 108970.  

folk who cannot deal with all of the complexities of BOINC
There's nothing complex about changing some numbers or ticking/unticking some boxes and the adjustments suggested by Grant (SSSF) could have been done in half the time needed to write your post. That's how you configure any software including your web browser. No one told you to modify or write some XML files. You have also managed to set up BAM! (which is btw. completely unnecessary to manage one single computer except for some very special cases), so apparently you can handle some complexity.



I attached to a number of projects using the default configurations to keep things simple. After installation I did not touch the configuration, but I am told that somehow there were many changes to the projects. I have no idea how that happened.
I can't tell you how that happened, but I can tell from the log where and when it happened: on GPUGRID, 16-Feb-2024 23:38:58, so not really long ago. No idea if you did some changes on other projects before, but that's where you last time updated or at least saved the settings. Not in the client itself, since it's using global and not local preferences.



I am also participating in Folding@home. With this set of projects there is absolutely noting to do after the install. It just runs, even if the browser is closed.
Sure, it's just one project, of course it can be done a lot simpler than a client made to handle dozens of projects simultaneously, some of them using virtual box, some using wrapper applications and some just running their applications and all of it according to the wishes of the user. Like the old SETI client, that was also just running.
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Message 108974 - Posted: 11 Mar 2024, 6:30:52 UTC - in response to Message 108970.  

I do not have Prime Grid as one of my projects, unless you mean GPUGRID.
It is right there in the list of projects that your computer is attached to, along with GPUGRID.


There is a whole world of non-scientists who would like to contribute to scientific research and could do so via BOINC. But we are mostly simple unsophisticated folk who cannot deal with all of the complexities of BOINC. BOINC could attract more of us if it were simpler to use.
BOINC is simple to use. But when you change things randomly with no idea of what you are doing, then things get messy.
And not all projects are as well behaved as they should be & will require changes to the default settings to reduce their impacts on other projects that are well behaved. And the more projects you attach to, then the more the settings you choose will impact on them doing their work.
As i keep repeating- if you need help, you can ask for it. But there's no point in doing that if you choose to ignore the advice you are given.
And the fact you are using BAM (BOINC Account Manager) actually makes things more complicated than they need to be.
BAM is meant to make things simpler to use, but in doing so it makes things much more difficult to adjust if they need to be.


I attached to a number of projects using the default configurations to keep things simple. After installation I did not touch the configuration, but I am told that somehow there were many changes to the projects. I have no idea how that happened.
It happened because you went and changed things even though you had no idea of what it was you were doing at the time.
They do not change themselves.


I am also participating in Folding@home. With this set of projects there is absolutely noting to do after the install. It just runs, even if the browser is closed.
Because it is a single project that doesn't pay the slightest bit of attention to anything else running on your computer; which is probably why you have limited the number of cores/threads BOINC is using, although i doubt that Folding@home needs half of them.


Possibly BOINC should consider making things simpler which might attract more users.
Possibly people should think before they act, and ask for advice, then take heed of that advice & not ignore it. There is no benefit in making something so simple, that it isn't able to do what it needs to do- it is quite unreasonable to expect to be able to use a programme without actually taking the time to learn about it.


BOINC projects are much more interesting than those of Folding and should attract many more participants.
As has been pointed out- Folding is just a single project, BOINC allows people to pick and choose from dozens of projects, and allow them to give preference to some projects over others according to their personal interests.
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Message 108975 - Posted: 11 Mar 2024, 8:32:53 UTC

PrimeGrid is showing on your computer info page here at Rosetta. Following the link to your computer and tasks at PrimeGrid shows contact Feb 16th and a task 'timed out and no response'

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_user.php?userid=2400235

http://www.primegrid.com/hosts_user.php?userid=1646462
http://www.primegrid.com/results.php?hostid=1323608

I would suggest setting 'no new tasks' to almost all your projects and just pick one or two projects to run for now. You can switch running projects in a few weeks or a month.
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