Rollo, I've attached two AMD64 3700's, one AMD64 2800, and one P4 1.8 to Rosetta, that should start running up the total team score, if you wan't the team that is.

I really don't care about the team. I just wanted to help with the test. If you want to do other tests, I'm glad to leave, thrown out (whatever suits you :).

Okey dokey, why don't you leave the team. I would like to thank you for your participation. It couldn't have been done without you.

let me know when you plan on removing yourself and then again when you've done so. That way I can compare the difference.

tony

Rollo, I've suspended Rosetta on all machines so that my contributions won't be affecting the team totals from here on out. We'll need to know what the totals are just before you quit and then again after you're actually removed from the team. It'd be best if there was a 20 or 30 minute span after your last returned result before you "quit" the team.

tony

documentational post:

Members (with AND without Credit) 2
Total credit 169.44
Recent average credit 53.40

Used for later reference

documentational post:

Members (with AND without Credit) 2
Total credit 169.44
Recent average credit 53.40

Used for later reference

That were exactly the numbers before I quit. (a short but pleasant stay :)

You've quit? Must take a while to filter through the system. I did a refresh on the team page and:




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Description A team for testing things
Members (with AND without Credit) 2
Total credit 169.44
Recent average credit 53.40
Founder mmciastro
Country International
Type Unclassified
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Accounts created via this URL will belong to this team and will have the project preferences of its founder https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/create_account_form.php?teamid=2731

Active members (have gotten Credit)
Name Total credit Recent average credit Country
1) Rollo 6,294.82 98.29 Canada
2) mmciastro 11,843.79 8.73 United States

Interesting, Rollo still shows up as an "active" member, but is no longer on any of my "management" list. This means I can no longer see his email addy, nor remove him as a member. The team did keep the credit he (so graciously) added to the teams total.

Note: just for Rollo's info. I did not record your addy anywhere, and now have no access to it. So, I can't email or spam you, not that I would.

it's the next morning now a and now Rollo is off the books entirely, except the credit he accrued remains with the team:

Description A team for testing things
Members (with AND without Credit) 1
Total credit 169.44
Recent average credit 53.40
Founder mmciastro
Country International
Type Unclassified
Join this team Join
Create team account URL
Accounts created via this URL will belong to this team and will have the project preferences of its founder https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/create_account_form.php?teamid=2731

Active members (have gotten Credit)
Name Total credit Recent average credit Country
1) mmciastro 11,843.79 8.73 United States

Off to have at the stats to see if they updated to 5.5... since all my observations have been on the earlier versions.
(just checked, we are still using the older version, Ralph is using the newer version)

Team jumping leaves points behind as previously mentioned. It was only the never been on a team (None -> TeamA). I don't know what happens with TeamA -> None -> TeamB as in what happens with the None to TeamB part points .

I've had a few members join after they started crunching. Specifically Here (Rosetta), Einstein and BBC-CCE

All 3 behaved the same.

Here, there are two examples
FatJack (alias Zillicus) joined well after he started crunching and brought ALL the points with him. This happened at both Rosetta and Einstein.

Two members at BBC-CCE, Andy and Gareth join at ~8000points after tehy started ALL points came with them.

These two backup my None to Team idea.


Also here at Rosetta there is EvoDude who joined my team, I believe from another team and he's since moved across to another team and afaik (though very hard to track) only the points while on the team are still here. I say hard to track as you have no recored of him being here and how many points where contributed by him. This backs up the team swithcing part, but that was direct team switching.


Sorry for not getting back quicker, I'm in the middle of a load of postgrad work.

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hmm

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FluffyChicken, does your team use the xml stats dumps to find team members total, or the html version at the project websites?

P.S I've now quit this team as well and rejoined "boincsynergy".

Team for sale-Free to good home

Low miles, only used one Saturday to test a theory, comes with 169 credits.

See founder for details.

LOL

see this beauty of a team here

Just the stats here (since we have no fancy stats of our own) or maybe a 3rd party site (boincstats, synergy, kwsn, free-dc ..)

But having a closer look.

Einstien & BBC-CCE are certainly working the way I describe (they're easy to total up and I know when about people joined)

But you may be right about Rosetta, from a quick calculation we seem to be a little short, but not much. (could be my calculation)
Since I'd seen it happen at Einstein (all points got added), I probably assumed the points also added here (maybe they did and I've added something wrong or it changed mid way through, I only say that as the total is not as far off as I it would expect it to be)
Anyways, the other part is, I assumed what was listed as a persons total was you total in that team (when looing at th team view). Not an overall total since that person started. I assumed this (and I think quite rightly) because I knew that a persons points didn't travel between teams. so your effectively inflating a persons actual position in a team.

So why does it show users total since the start and not since joining the team when we look in team view ? (seems counter intuative)
Why is there no standard across projects ?
How much does fish cost ?

I prefer my way of it working.
- No team -> Team = all points travel when previously in no team (gives some one time to decide on a team and/or they may forget to join up straight away)
- Once in a team, points accured while there stay with them.

Jut wish it was standardised across projects :-(

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I didn't join any team from months after starting boinc roughly two years ago. Then I joined boincsynergy. If I/or you go there and look you'll see all my credits listed there. If you look at Rollo's or my listing on this team prior to the awarding of new credit, you'll see all his credit there, but not added to the team total. These stats are taken once/twice a day from the xml stats dump at the team sites/boincstats. I imagine a team site or boincstats could have carried seperate totals for "user total points" and "user points added to team", but I haven't found one yet.

I copied this from the Wiki thing I posted earlier:

except for Climateprediction.net which uses the old SETI@Home Classic rule where the Team's Total Credit is a simple summation of the Total Credit earned by the Participants that are a member of that Team.

Could this explain what you're seeing?

I copied this from the Wiki thing I posted earlier:

except for Climateprediction.net which uses the old SETI@Home Classic rule where the Team's Total Credit is a simple summation of the Total Credit earned by the Participants that are a member of that Team.

Could this explain what you're seeing?

Probably for BBC-CCE but not for Einstein where the same happened. No idea on the people leaving at thoose two as that's not happened yet :-)

Again to me it's a mess ;-)
All project should be the same, so there is no confusion.
When looking at the 'team' view it should only show a members 'team' contribution (I'm talking about project actual stats pages here, 3rd parties can do wat they want, but as far as I know unless a stats site has tracked the changes (like free-dc does) then there is no way of knowing how many points a person has actualyl contributed for a specific team.

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I didn't join any team from months after starting boinc roughly two years ago. Then I joined boincsynergy. If I/or you go there and look you'll see all my credits listed there. If you look at Rollo's or my listing on this team prior to the awarding of new credit, you'll see all his credit there, but not added to the team total. These stats are taken once/twice a day from the xml stats dump at the team sites/boincstats. I imagine a team site or boincstats could have carried seperate totals for "user total points" and "user points added to team", but I haven't found one yet.

I don't even think the XML RPC way of getting the stats does either

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Mod 9 has asked to use this info an a FAQ of some sort. I guess without further documented evidence of Einsteins activity. I'd have to go with what I've tested and that's pretty much as the Wiki states. Perhaps, you could ask Bruce Allen about this, then tell us what he says, or provide a link to his answer, or document it yourself. I don't know how long this might take you, so I'm going to list what I've seen for Mod9 and you can provide supplemental information to him at that time.

1) when a member joins a team, he will show up under "team management" to the founder, but will not show up on the "active members" list until they are granted credit for a result.

2) Previous user credits are not applied to the teams total when he joins a team, except for CPDN sponsored projects (see wiki definition).

3) When a member leaves a team voluntarily, the credit he earned for the team stays with the team.

4) User credit is not affected by either joining or leaving a team.

5) If the founder removes a member then the members credit will be removed from the team score.

6) When a user quits a team, he's immediately removed from the founders "management functions screen". This means he'll no longer have access to your email addy, and can't kick you from the team.

7) Team founders have access to all team members email addresses

8) It can take up to a day for the username to be removed from the "active members" list after he leaves a team.

9) The line "Members(with and without credit" didn't add members who had no credit when I tested this.

10) The team founder shows on the "Active Members" list whether he has returned results or not while on the team.

The wiki says the following about "team credit":

The accumulation of Credit in your own account will never change regardless of membership on a Team. You will always accumulate the appropriate Granted Credit if you are on a team, you will accumulate the same Credit if you are not on a Team.

When you join a Team, you join it with a zero balance. After you have joined a Team, the Granted Credit is added to your Total Credit balance and to the Team's Total Credit balance.

When you leave the Team, the Credit you earned while a member of that Team will stay with that Team. You do not take it with you to add to another Team's Total Credit balance; except for Climateprediction.net which uses the old SETI@Home Classic rule where the Team's Total Credit is a simple summation of the Total Credit earned by the Participants that are a member of that Team.

Retrieved from "http://boinc-wiki.ath.cx/index.php?title=Team_Credit"

MOD9 I'm done with this now and you may feel free to use this, If you feel the need to give credit, don't forget Rollo, without whom this couldn't have been done.

tony

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Please ignore what I said about Einstien (and appologies to them)
1st - It was predictor@home the team member joined
2nd - p@h behaves just like here
3rd - having a bad day, but BBC-CCE work the other way as mentioned (stupid project! stupid different rules! stupid bad day!)

4rd - Still wish the team view only showed what the member actually contributed to the team, then you can go into personal view to see the total
It's all BOINC's fault for having a silly stats display.

But yep the FAQ looks good except to add
11) The credit shown on the team statistics view https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/team_display.php?teamid=xxx is a members overall credit score, not necesseraly what they have contributed towards the team.
(541 is mine if you need an example to where I mean)
[P.S. The technically means the rankings are not correct for the team]

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But yep the FAQ looks good except to add
11) The credit shown on the team statistics view https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/team_display.php?teamid=xxx is a members overall credit score, not necesseraly what they have contributed towards the team.

Yeah, that is good, anyone got anymore??

tony