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Message 92906 - Posted: 1 Apr 2020, 14:08:31 UTC - in response to Message 92803.  
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Hi from Germany!
Not new to BOINC, but new with R@H since... we all know when.

Stay safe and healthy, everyone!


It's not the virus that concerns me, it's the world falling apart due to virtually nobody working. I already find it hard to buy food, a freezer, a home gym, or brewing sugar. Panic is always worse than the actual thing.


Due to human nature, it kinda IS the virus fault tho, isn't it?. So we should worry about the virus because the virus causes panic (regardless whether its justified or not). Virus, catastrophes, or whatever, they all cause damage by themselves AND by panicking the people. We could make an analogy to our own immune system. The common cold doesn't make you feel like crap because of the virus, it's the immune system itself that makes you feel like crap, usually from overreacting.

This situation also reminds me of to the Chilean 8.8 Earthquake I got to experience back in 2010. The quake itself wasn't the biggest concern. that's what solid building codes are for... it was the PANIC. But can we really expect people to not panic when there's no certainty about anything? That and the aftershocks, those kept you on edge for a few months afterwards too lol

Right now, I truly believe it's better to shutdown EVERYTHING for a few weeks. Otherwise, if we try to contain the economy by sort-of shutting down, then we might not be able to contain it and we'd get the worst of both worlds. Awful economy AND piles of dead bodies. But that's just my guess.
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Message 92909 - Posted: 1 Apr 2020, 14:32:48 UTC - in response to Message 92906.  

Right now, I truly believe it's better to shutdown EVERYTHING for a few weeks. Otherwise, if we try to contain the economy by sort-of shutting down, then we might not be able to contain it and we'd get the worst of both worlds. Awful economy AND piles of dead bodies. But that's just my guess.

It looks like everyone will be exposed eventually. But we can slow down the spread so that the hospitals are not overloaded with patients all at once.

The trick will be managing that intelligently. Some governments are better at it than others.
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Message 92963 - Posted: 1 Apr 2020, 18:07:22 UTC - in response to Message 92821.  

Due to my posts being removed for suggesting China started Coronavirus, I am withdrawing my computers from your project. I will not be told what I can and cannot say.


I hope the door doesn't hit your rear too hard on the way out.


So you think it's ok for a country to screw over the whole world? It came from Chinese meat markets. So did SARS, yet they didn't learn. They must be held responsible.


Are you suggesting that China deliberately started Covid19?
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Message 92964 - Posted: 1 Apr 2020, 18:10:35 UTC - in response to Message 92829.  

Due to my posts being removed for suggesting China started Coronavirus, I am withdrawing my computers from your project. I will not be told what I can and cannot say.


I hope the door doesn't hit your rear too hard on the way out.


So you think it's ok for a country to screw over the whole world? It came from Chinese meat markets. So did SARS, yet they didn't learn. They must be held responsible.


China didn't intentionally start it.

Right now, we need to focus on solving it. We can deal with blame when no one is dying from this disease.


They started it through negligence. And I'm not overly concerned with what is just a nasty flu bug. It's the government lockdowns that are screwing us over. Better for 96% of us to survive than for 100% of us to have our lives messed up.


So you’d prefer 320,000,000 people to die than your life to be “messed up”?
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Message 93007 - Posted: 2 Apr 2020, 3:00:58 UTC - in response to Message 92814.  

Due to my posts being removed for suggesting China started Coronavirus, I am withdrawing my computers from your project. I will not be told what I can and cannot say.

is this a /s or an early april fool thingy going on?
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Message 93060 - Posted: 2 Apr 2020, 12:20:27 UTC - in response to Message 92909.  
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It looks like everyone will be exposed eventually. But we can slow down the spread so that the hospitals are not overloaded with patients all at once.

The trick will be managing that intelligently. Some governments are better at it than others.


The sheltering in place that countries are doing will keep most people from being exposed until after the sheltering ends ... which starts the problem up again. We're not just flattening the curve, we're also keeping people from getting exposed at all. We're going to have to do a lot of social distancing after the sheltering is over or reinstate sheltering over and over to prevent more peaks.

One solution is a vaccine if we ever get one.

Another solution is anti-viral drugs so that vulnerable people can survive the disease.

The current experience is that anti-viral drugs work well, but ONLY if used when symptoms are mild. While that sounds useless, a closer look suggests it's not useless, only expensive because everyone's symptoms are mild if you catch them instantly after having their first symptoms.

There is one doctor claiming success treating people this way. He treated people so fast that he treated anyone who was elderly or otherwise vulnerable who had any symptoms suggesting COVID-19 BEFORE getting tests back verifying the illness, reasoning that the extra days could cause fatal damage.

And, as I said, he's claiming preliminary success. None of his nearly 700 hundred of patients died and only 2 needed hospitalization, but he hasn't been treating them for very long.

Keep in mind that by the time people are on ventilators, in this disease, the damage to their lungs is so great that they'd probably have a 40%-50% chance of dying even if the virus was magically gone from their bodies.
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