Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta and multi-thread
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[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,582,381 RAC: 7,850 |
Over 6 years ago, i asked if it is possible to have a multi-thread R@H app, and Rocco said: Multi-threading would be a headache to support for no practical gain. Protocols typically function by taking a single structure through a series of steps, which means there's choke points which would limit the speed increase you'd get from multithreading. But, during these years we have a lot of improvements in multi-core cpu (like Intel I9, Ryzen, Threadripper, etc) and, new Rosetta code has this function: Rosetta's core and database modules are now threadsafe, permitting development of multi-threaded protocol Interesting! |
rjs5 Send message Joined: 22 Nov 10 Posts: 273 Credit: 23,016,155 RAC: 6,393 |
Over 6 years ago, i asked if it is possible to have a multi-thread R@H app, and Rocco said: There are many things the developers say when they don't want to be bothered. 8-) Simply redefining their 3-dimensional coordinate system would allow the compilers to use parallel register operations instead of scalar. For ALL machines they support, it means loading and operating 2-pairs of dimension coordinates instead of 3-scalar dimensions. There are 50% fewer loads (3 to 2). 50% fewer floating point operations (3 down to 2). This also explains why I saw the dramatic increase in the amount of Rosetta 4.07 time in spin loops waiting on a resource. I spent 15 years as a SW Performance Engineer working on a LARGE application that used locks to protect data and locks can destroy performance if not handled properly. I expect a number of mistakes to be re-discovered by the Rosetta team. |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,582,381 RAC: 7,850 |
There are many things the developers say when they don't want to be bothered. 8-) We volunteers give our time and resource to this project, so we have the right to disturb the developers :-) This also explains why I saw the dramatic increase in the amount of Rosetta 4.07 time in spin loops waiting on a resource. :-( I spent 15 years as a SW Performance Engineer working on a LARGE application that used locks to protect data and locks can destroy performance if not handled properly. I expect a number of mistakes to be re-discovered by the Rosetta team. I think this is a great project. But i don't understand why not improve it... |
rjs5 Send message Joined: 22 Nov 10 Posts: 273 Credit: 23,016,155 RAC: 6,393 |
There are many things the developers say when they don't want to be bothered. 8-) One can estimate the client computer equipment power consumption and then make some conservative estimates of the wattage that would be saved if Rosetta improved its performance by 10%, 20%, ... One can then estimate the client utility costs and how much the same work would cost them with improved performance. These calculations also apply to the U of Washington utility bill. |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,582,381 RAC: 7,850 |
One can estimate the client computer equipment power consumption and then make some conservative estimates of the wattage that would be saved if Rosetta improved its performance by 10%, 20%, ... One can then estimate the client utility costs and how much the same work would cost them with improved performance. These calculations also apply to the U of Washington utility bill. I agree, but Rosetta is already cpu-intensive, so if they publish multithread/SSEx/Avx/whatsoever apps, i think it's not a problem. And i want to decide how to use my cpu, even if it consumes more. |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,582,381 RAC: 7,850 |
One can then estimate the client utility costs and how much the same work would cost them with improved performance. These calculations also apply to the U of Washington utility bill. I don't think utility bill is a problem 11.3 milion dollars for IPD |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,582,381 RAC: 7,850 |
No news from this side of development?? New cpu (intel and amd) are great in multithread.... And also c++ has new features about multithread/concurrency and C++ 20 concurrency |
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