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Message 10649 - Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 2:52:27 UTC - in response to Message 10639.  
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That is decidedly non-responsive on their part. The ONLY avenue available to report an offensive post in confidence is disabled by choice.

Fine - How's this for an example of what is left to the users to publically report what could very well be offensive to some, particularly the younger audiences:

The Mauisun.org team thread in this forum has a discussion of purple penises.

Consider it reported.

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The project still has not edited the file to enable the 'x' function to work for those who can see the 'x'.
[color=blue]"This project has not yet defined an administrator to handle this kind of forum reports. [b]Please contact the project and tell them to add this information in their html/project/project.inc file[/b]"[/color]

This is not a bug, it's a failure of the project to properly configure the forum software. I'm contacting and telling.


This aspect of the issue was reported to the project by me twice. They are already aware that the feature is disabled, and I presume they have not activated it for a reason. I do not have the admin rights to activate it myself.

You of course are free to ask them a third time. However, it is not as simple as just turning the feature on. The report has to be sent to someone who has the time and authority to act on the report. While the project staff may have the authority required, based on my communications with them, it is unlikely they have the time.





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Message 10655 - Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 9:54:50 UTC

Mod9........

perhaps it would help if you included the contact email address in your signature line

example:

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contact me at.... Rosettamod9 at yahoo dot com (replace the "at" and the "dot" with the correct symbols to properly format the address)
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Message 10666 - Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 19:11:03 UTC - in response to Message 10652.  

So it appears that the project principals have totally abandoned all responsibility for the forums, giving it away completely to the volunteer moderators.

You must have missed the "in confidence" part of my post. You yourself pointed out that reporting posts by email to non-project personnel (volunteer moderators) reveals the personal email addresses. I don't care to have emails to non-project people as my method of reporting, so no - I will not take your suggestion.

How much time canit possibly take to edit one parameter in one config file to assign a project moderator to take some responsibility as the reporting recipient for their forum?

That is decidedly non-responsive on their part. The ONLY avenue available to report an offensive post in confidence is disabled by choice. ....


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Message 10671 - Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 19:47:52 UTC - in response to Message 10669.  
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Angus asked: (edited for brevity)
[quote]...How much time canit possibly take to edit one parameter in one config file to assign a project moderator to take some responsibility as the reporting recipient for their forum?

[quote]

Have you considered offering to do the code changes for them? Or tried to use the system they have put in place to see if it will work?

If you want to report something, either of those options would be a far more productive approach than continuing to proceed on the path you have chosen. The time to perform the edit you describe might in fact be short, however you have clearly illustrated the point that dealing with the resulting contacts will not. I think it is becoming increasingly apparent why the Project Team might have decided to pass this function off to the Moderators.



Sure ! I can drive there in 20 minutes (no kidding) and add a project contact to their forum config file. Think they'll let me in the door?

If the change had been made right away when it was first reported, this conversation would not have had to drag on... I have reported one obscene username by email to D Kim, and now the obscene posts in another thread. That probably would have been the extent of my drain on the reporting system. But now it has escalated into a big deal, where it could have been fixed months ago with no further fuss.



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Message 10672 - Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 20:19:49 UTC - in response to Message 10664.  

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Mod9........

perhaps it would help if you included the contact email address in your signature line

example:

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contact me at.... Rosettamod9 at yahoo dot com (replace the "at" and the "dot" with the correct symbols to properly format the address)


I thought of that too. I know you have been following all this for the last few weeks, and I think you would agree that availability of the information is not the underlying issue in this case. That said I may do just what you have suggested. I am still not totally convinced that people will be happy having to reveal a return address to use that form of contact, no matter what assurances I or the Project team offer that the information will not be misused.

In any case here it is again -
To contact me off line send an e-mail to.... Rosettamod9 at yahoo dot com
(replace the "at" and the "dot" with the correct symbols to properly format the address)

FYI: Many people run with images, avatars and signatures turned off, so nothing in there is ever guaranteed to be seen.

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Message 10675 - Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 20:43:33 UTC

could ya make it any bigger!??

all joking aside, i do believe a smaller font and plain black would be more in keeping with your personality and demeanor as a moderator.

i think that anyone who is savvy enough to willingly run rosetta on their machine(s) will be willing to give up a spam email address, after all they trust to register with one. especially as they know it will afford them the luxury of whining sorry...whinging about something or other.....wouldn't you agree?


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Message 10680 - Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 22:23:12 UTC

So except for the fact that the e-mail report would be an off project function, it is a difference without a distinction.


There is one important distinction:

The project people already have access to personal information. The users have to accept that when they register for the project.

We do NOT, however, have to release that personal information to outside moderators.

There still remains only two avenues of contact outside of public posts - a) contact the project principals by email or b) contact one outside-of-the-project moderator by email
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Message 10681 - Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 22:33:55 UTC - in response to Message 10678.  
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Moderator9:
Perhaps you are unaware that you can provide this service to the project from your computer at home. There is no need for you to drive anywhere or be involved in a confrontation at anyones door. All you have to do is offer to fix the problem, and if they take you up on the offer they can give you the rights you need to do the repair. Now I have no idea if they will do that at the level you may require to implement the fix, but they have provided various accesses for those of us trying to help solve the work unit failure issues.

I'm fully aware of methods and capable of doing things remotely. However, since I'm an IT professional in a large server site, I naturally assumed that it would be easier to address it in person rather than having the project set up a VPN or similar access path for a trivial change. I also was not contemplating a confrontation, but a reasonable belief that outsiders might not be allowed in secure lab locations on the UW campus. I've worked on that campus.

As for spending a lot of time talking about the issue, that has not been my choice or the choice of the project. This is a situation where we can "DO" or "TEACH" your choice has been teach, what is your pleasure?

I offered - have they responded directly to my very specific offer? Apparently not.
I have presented your issues to the project team, as I am certain you must have by now your self.

Only on the forum, except for the singular report to David Kim.
They have taken a decision as to how they will handle it. I have reported the decision back to you, and implemented the proposed solution. You are seemingly unhappy with the decision they have made, and have elected to persue the messenger.
Pursuing the unresolved issue with the forum, not attacking the messanger. You put yourself in the middle, so you have to expect to be the two-way conduit on this issue.
Since the entire discussion has been available for over 36,000 users to comment on, and the vast majority remain silent, I can only conclude that this may only be a problem for a handful of users, only one of whom continues to take issue with the proposed solutions. Clearly the project has reached a similar conclusion. So it is no mystery to me why the project may not see it as a significant problem, that remains unaddressed.

Maybe they don't see a reason for a bunch of "me too" psots.

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Message 10686 - Posted: 12 Feb 2006, 2:34:25 UTC
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As I said below, EVERYTHING has been public on the forum EXCEPT one email to David Kim on another matter entirely.

Since you have been crowned with the authority to contact the project and report back, I have taken the public route for everything.

Perhaps you could report VERBATIM the project's replies on this issue (if they have indeed replied at all), not filtered by your personal views on this. Without that, we only have your interpretation of what the project is 'thinking'.

I do not accept silence as a reply.
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Message 10688 - Posted: 12 Feb 2006, 3:14:50 UTC - in response to Message 10687.  
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So-

Are we to believe that the whole discussion on this has been one way from you to the project, and you have not received ANY communication from them on the topic?

Or if they have replied, you can't or won't share those replies with the community? One would wonder why?

It seems very odd the the project people have and can take time to have private discussions with the out-of-project moderators, but never have the time to post direct answers to user concerns. Seems very odd, indeed. As if they are too good to communicate with mere users who provide the crunching power they need to do their work.

You are indeed correct that the relations are becoming strained - but only because of lack of communication from the project. Somehow you have the idea that I have communicated on this topic privately with the project and ignored any reply, although I have repeatedly told you otherwise.

Maybe I really do have to drive up to BakerLab myself to find the true story.






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As I said below, EVERYTHING has been public on the forum EXCEPT one email to David Kim on another matter entirely.

Since you have been crowned with the authority to contact the project and report back, I have taken the public route for everything.

Perhaps you could report VERBATIM the project's replies on this issue (if they have indeed replied at all), not filtered by your personal views on this. Without that, we only have your interpretation of what the project is 'thinking'.

I do not accept silence as a reply.


Actually, as far as the project is concerned I am afraid you will have to accept silence as an answer, unless they choose to communicate with you further. I have no control over that.

As far as I am concerned, the tone, and accusatory nature of your communications are increasingly counterproductive to continued reasonable, or intelligent discussion and border on outright offensive. I can only assume that the project team may have been approached in the same manor, and that may explain their silence in your case.

Your accusations of bias on my part are unfounded and gratuitous. So until and unless that changes you will have to accept silence from me as the answer on this issue as well. While you are obviously not happy with the answers to your questions, your questions have been answered.


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Message 11144 - Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 19:35:15 UTC - in response to Message 9860.  

Hi you just moved 3 post from science to here (cafe) but this is for none boinc/rosetta talk..

Shouldn't they be sent to number crunching ?

posts being;
optimised lcinets
won't connect
ralph ??
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Message 11155 - Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 21:58:31 UTC

CAFE = "Not usually worth reading for anything serious"

The only two serious forums are Science and Number Crunching
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Message 11173 - Posted: 22 Feb 2006, 2:12:39 UTC
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Yes, I'd like to speak with you. You have my email address? I have free calling in the US and canada if that is where you are located.
Thank you.


EDIT: On second thought I will contact David Baker at his office tomorrow.
This type of contact through a forum only works with full time mods and this catch-as-catch-can method is way to slow to solve issues in a timely manner.
Thank you again for your time.
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Message 11262 - Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 17:29:53 UTC

Mod, no worries :)

Just checking it was not a mistake.

as for the email sent to us :-)
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Message 11283 - Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 2:37:44 UTC

How is this joking post, with an obvious smiley, considerd a flame/hate post worthy of being deleted?

I have a WU Here that has been Peniding for hours. This is not normal as usually they are granted immediately???



Probably because that computer doesn't meet the minimum marginal memory requirements to run Rosetta, with only 511.48 MB of memory. Also, you'd better take that box in and get it checked out - something obviously wrong with it if it can't report memory correctly :)



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Message 11488 - Posted: 28 Feb 2006, 7:21:32 UTC - in response to Message 11388.  

How is this joking post, with an obvious smiley, considerd a flame/hate post worthy of being deleted?

I have a WU Here that has been Peniding for hours. This is not normal as usually they are granted immediately???



Probably because that computer doesn't meet the minimum marginal memory requirements to run Rosetta, with only 511.48 MB of memory. Also, you'd better take that box in and get it checked out - something obviously wrong with it if it can't report memory correctly :)




Just a guess but It might have been the context.

Or maybe the content struck too close to home - hearing your own words.
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Message 11567 - Posted: 2 Mar 2006, 20:52:44 UTC

GO TO THE QUESTION & PROBLEMS FOR WINDOWS...NOTE DOWNLOAD PROBLEM> THIS MUST MAKE WONDER WHERE THE ARE GOING ???
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Message 11839 - Posted: 10 Mar 2006, 0:07:13 UTC

To Moderator9: From D. Bidanset; Thank you for looking out for my interests and go ahead and delete my original message. If you can contact "the team", please let them know that I have attached to RALPH and I have an account, yet RALPH has not downloaded a single byte of information to my machine. I do not wish to continue to send back failed work units. Oh, if you could fix my spelling error ("compution" should be "computation")in your post, I'd be much obliged. You asked me to let you know if I had heard from rosetta@home in a few days, I have not seen anything in my e-mails from them. Thanx, David
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Message 12273 - Posted: 19 Mar 2006, 16:54:29 UTC
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To the moderators:

Please see post https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=1106#12272

Please create a thread in Number Crunching, where we can report crashed Rosetta WU's due to Ralph testing. And please move my two posts to that thread.

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Message 12278 - Posted: 19 Mar 2006, 17:13:23 UTC - in response to Message 12276.  
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"Fuzzy"

I can do that but I am advised that the latest Ralph application is about to be deployed in Rosetta. The time frame I saw was within the next 48 hours. I gather from the reports that the current version of Ralph has fixed the Keep in memory problem. So such a thread would be very short lived.

I think you actually posted in the correct thread for this type of error.[


Yes, but apparently Rosetta is not deployed in Ralph. :-(

David Kim said it was safe to change the setting, so I'm very annoyed of losing Rosetta WU's to this bug.

There was a discussion over there about this problem, that participating in Ralph should not be of the expense of Rosetta.

In short, I want credit for the crashed Rosetta WU's due to Ralph testing!


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