Angus wrote-

... It IS censorship when history (threads are a chronologically correct history of a discussion) is being re-written and re-organized into mod9's personal view of how things should look ...

When posts are move from one thread to another such as what will occur with posts to this thread, they land in the new thread in the exact order in which they were originally posted and they are organized by date, just as they were in the original thread of origin.

Even posts I choose (or you demand) be left here for a time and would thus be out of sequence (missing), will be inserted into the "history" thread in their proper order once they are moved. So actually the sooner they get moved the better. If a post is deleted for cause this will cause a "gap". That problem is caused by the posters own choice of language.

This date sequence order is not determined by me, and it does not constitute censorship.

Breaking a thread up into two separate threads, one with your opinion of what is acceptable to the discussion as you want to direct it, and the other for all the posts that don't meet your criteria, IS censorship of the most obvious sort.

You create two discussions, neither of which is complete, and only one comforming to your idea of what people need or want to see.

from a dictionary:

Main Entry: censor
Function: transitive verb
: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable

Leaving your favored thread sticky while letting the other sink out of sight is suppression.

None of the above has ANYTHING to do with deleting obscene or threatening posts. I'm all for that.

Oh- and the definition of "moderator" does not include censorship duties.

You asked what I want:

Leave all orginal threads intact, deleting only those obscene or threatening posts.

Report issues that the project leads have decided they need to see via an off-forum means - either by emails referring them to specific posts, or copying posts to them.

Defer the "re-organizing" until such time as the forums are modified, if they ever are.

Urge the project to fix the broken forum features. That will resolve moderator notification issues.

Vavega wrote -

i think our difference thoughts on the usability of an available email address for the moderators is based on our vision of what it would be used for. i'm of a mind that it would be convient for those who want to voice a complaint to a mod without posting. this would serve to head of at the pass if you will, complaints before they get out to the general public.

an example would be......poster A doesn't like something i said but would rather remain anonymous as not to upset me, but still has a question. he sends the email to you, ...

Assuming the project begins to use the "X" box reporting system, this would not be necessary, but you have a VERY valid point here. I will take your idea and send it off to the Project Team and see how they feel about it. Good thought and suggestion, Thank you.

[b]"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me[/b]

Fuzzy the gist of it is this...If I offend you...but you don`t wish to confront me cos I`m an evil person....you mail the mod....

The Mod then say`s I`m out of order and deletes etc., and no one knows except the mod that you were the person who acted.

[b]"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me[/b]

Vavega wrote -

i think our difference thoughts on the usability of an available email address for the moderators is based on our vision of what it would be used for. i'm of a mind that it would be convient for those who want to voice a complaint to a mod without posting. this would serve to head of at the pass if you will, complaints before they get out to the general public.

an example would be......poster A doesn't like something i said but would rather remain anonymous as not to upset me, but still has a question. he sends the email to you, ...

Assuming the project begins to use the "X" box reporting system, this would not be necessary, but you have a VERY valid point here. I will take your idea and send it off to the Project Team and see how they feel about it. Good thought and suggestion, Thank you.

Please correct me if I haven't understood this right, because I understand this suggestion with the private mails distributed by the mod, and Vavega's suggestion as this:

E.g. if I post a comment to a person here, and that person feels offended by it, but doesn't want to confront me directly on the board, this person can write a private mail to me about it, asking me what I meant or ask me to elaborate, and have the mods forwarding it to me on the mailadress, which is connected to my account here. Is this understood correct?

If this is the case, I can't express my disaggreement strongly enough. I certainly want to decide for myself, who from these boards, I want to communicate in private with. I have my account connected to my personal mailadress, which I only use for "official" mails and a very few personal friends. Else I use my gmail accounts. So people from this project will suddenly get access to my personal mailadress and with this my IP.

So if a person sit and read my posts and wants to get in contact with me, for some reason or the other, he/she will be able to outside the boards. No thank you very much. I am a woman, and there are many weird people out there, and I have had the experience of being stalked both in cyberspace on the boards, and in my personal life on my personal mail (why do you think I don't use my own name and nationality anywhere?), and with this, the police involved and meetings with lawyers. I have been reported to my ISP, to the police and to some other authorities here, where I live, by these people. Luckily, my ISP, the police, and the authorities in question were able to see, it was an insane person, else I would have been in serious trouble. My mail have been spammed beyond any belief, untill I had Mailwasher installed, where I can have it all filtered before downloading it from the server.

If my mailadress and with this, my personal life, will be in jeopardy in any way, by participating in this project, I'll leave it imidiately. This is not a joke for me. I hope I've made myself clear. But please correct me, if I'm wrong about this.

And I'll send the content of this post to David Kim myself, thank you very much.

[quote]i think our difference thoughts on the usability of an available email address for the moderators is based on our vision of what it would be used for. i'm of a mind that it would be convient for those who want to voice a complaint to a mod without posting. this would serve to head of at the pass if you will, complaints before they get out to the general public.

an example would be......poster A doesn't like something i said but would rather remain anonymous as not to upset me, but still has a question. he sends the email to you, you reply with she's a nice lady and of course didn't mean it that way, he believes you, sees the error of his ways and we are all happy campers once again. being he's a wishy washy kind of guy anyway, he already has a spam account of his own, so it's no more work for him.

i don't see this as cencoship fuzzy, unless you wan't to extrapolate it into self cencorship and that's fine and dandy. if that were to take place more often we'd all be better off. while in the short term it might seem like things are escalating, in the long term it's this laying of the groundwork that will ultimately make the mods job and ours easier. we'll all know where we stand and i think things will run more smoothly.

you're welcome!

@ Fuzzy

But the x isn`t working atm, it was suggested I think as a way around the problem... I presume you`d post an email to David Kim, why not the forums registered Mod ?

People do get frightened to post against others for numerous reasons Fuzzy...they maybe in the same team, it maybe a loyalty issue. They may just not want to get berated.

I am a grown up person and I am not scared not even of what comes in my email, so there are different levels.

As I say I think it was suggested as a temp workaround nothing more till the "x" gets going.

@ Fuzzy

But the x isn`t working atm, it was suggested I think as a way around the problem... I presume you`d post an email to David Kim, why not the forums registered Mod ?

People do get frightened to post against others for numerous reasons Fuzzy...they maybe in the same team, it maybe a loyalty issue. They may just not want to get berated.

I am a grown up person and I am not scared not even of what comes in my email, so there are different levels.

As I say I think it was suggested as a temp workaround nothing more till the "x" gets going.

[b]"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me[/b]

Please correct me if I haven't understood this right, because I understand this suggestion with the private mails distributed by the mod, and Vavega's suggestion as this:

E.g. if I post a comment to a person here, and that person feels offended by it, but doesn't want to confront me directly on the board, this person can write a private mail to me about it, asking me what I meant or ask me to elaborate, and have the mods forwarding it to me on the mailadress, which is connected to my account here. Is this understood correct?

When the mods "do their thing" and move/hide/delete posts, and an email is generated to the poster, do the mods see the email account or get a copy of the email with the address visible? Do they have access to the email addresses of the account owners (us)?

I think that deserves a quick, public answer, and could very well impact how and if moderators are assigned.

No. The e-mails are generated directly by the server. The Moderator only fills in a form that provides about one line of text to be included in the e-mail to provide some explanation about what has been done. All of the rest of the message is automatic. The moderators never see it or any details of the users account and we do not get a copy of the message. Of course we do see the screen name of the poster in the post itself.

...The has this function already, so all they have to do is to fix that bug in the code, that makes it invisible in IE, and then make it work.