It's hard to argue with that. In fact, impossible to argue with it, credibly.

If recognition of the work people do wasn't important, there wouldn't be money.

Money is a means of exchange. For Boinc credits there are no means of exchange. There's no legitimate comparison here.

If recognition of the work done for a project wasn't important, there wouldn't be Credits.
But it is, so there are.

It's actually quite a good idea not to have credits on the project at all. Having them is inevitably a distraction, for the reasons you give.

No one likes to be ripped off, no one likes to feel others are getting more than they should.
It's all well and good hoping people will do a project purely for the sake of the project, but if a project really wants to get results they need as much computing power as they can get, and to do that they need to keep in mind human nature and acknowledge people's contribution to that project, and to do so fairly and equitably.

That's certainly what it's become, but I'm not sure that makes it true.
The reality is that people donate their CPU time for the benefit of the project.
Setting aside the credit issue for the irrelevance that it is, CPU time has been donated and the project has received the benefit toward its goal. There is no loss, in the same way that receiving greater or fewer credits is no gain.

Then it's a matter of evaluating the goal of the project. It doesn't surprise me that for people coming from a project whose progress toward its purpose was somewhere close to zero it became an exercise in going through the process itself and not the achievement of its end, which most likely never even existed in the first place.

It's hard to argue with that. In fact, impossible to argue with it, credibly.

Repetition and reversal is not an argument, except to the extent that it reveals a complete lack of equivalence and thereby its failure as an argument.

I’m a competitive animal in general and I certainly find (and I expect that most people would) that without movement of some kind interest would rapidly wain. Watching the credits go up and comparing them with others adds a bit of spice to the proceedings.

Having said that, there’s no way I’d move to a creditfest project just to get credits, the projects I work on are those I see as worthwhile and finding examples of funny numbers does not float my boat.

The problem is not that these WUs are getting very less credits - the problem is that these WUs are not produce any effort for the science. The computation always ends in an error. Hours of computing and spending energy for an error message!

One thing is low credit (who cares about credits?).
One thing is app errors.
This version (4.12) is not extensively tested on Ralph, cause of hurry for Corona target

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These people aren't running jobs for the benefit of the project. They're running for the stats.
They think they're more important than the project they're running. Essentially, they are [*censored word*]

It's hard to argue with that. In fact, impossible to argue with it, credibly.

The problem is not that these WUs are getting very less credits - the problem is that these WUs are not produce any effort for the science. The computation always ends in an error. Hours of computing and spending energy for an error message!

@Project: please try to find the root cause for the errors.
Even the new version 4.12 are not free of the bug.


https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=1140411318

BOINC:: CPU time: 72062.5s, 14400s + 57600s[2020- 4- 6 19:32:47:] :: BOINC
WARNING! cannot get file size for default.out.gz: could not open file.
Output exists: default.out.gz Size: -1
InternalDecoyCount: 0 (GZ)
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Stream information inconsistent.
Writing W_0000001
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DONE :: 1 starting structures 72062.5 cpu seconds
This process generated 1 decoys from 1 attempts
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19:32:47 (6643): called boinc_finish(0)

It's a good thing no one cares about Credit.
Payout of current Rosetta Tasks is about a quarter of what it was previously.

9yo9oy1m_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design3_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905349_4_0
Run time 8 hours 3 min 40 sec

This process generated    343 decoys from    343 attempts
Credit 103.85

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3bi2kw0w_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905234_4_1
Run time 8 hours 1 min 59 sec

This process generated    441 decoys from     441 attempts
Credit 388.86

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9jh7jg9i_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905234_4_1
Run time 8 hours 2 min 43 sec

This process generated    139 decoys from     139 attempts
Credit	407.98

Then you've got this Mini Task

CF_monomer_12_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905409_765_0
7 hours 52 min 26 sec

This process generated     50 decoys from      50 attempts
Credit	771.74

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Grant
Darwin NT

The last 2 days i got no errors with long running/watchdog-aborted WUs.
I reduced the working time to 4 hours. maybe this helped or the project guys repaired something. :)

I’m a competitive animal in general and I certainly find (and I expect that most people would) that without movement of some kind interest would rapidly wain. Watching the credits go up and comparing them with others adds a bit of spice to the proceedings.

Having said that, there’s no way I’d move to a creditfest project just to get credits, the projects I work on are those I see as worthwhile and finding examples of funny numbers does not float my boat.

Yup, it's not hard

One thing is low credit (who cares about credits?).
One thing is app errors.
This version (4.12) is not extensively tested on Ralph, cause of hurry for Corona target

I fear you're right

The problem is not that these WUs are getting very less credits - the problem is that these WUs are not produce any effort for the science. The computation always ends in an error. Hours of computing and spending energy for an error message!

@Project: please try to find the root cause for the errors.
Even the new version 4.12 are not free of the bug.

Exactly

It's a good thing no one cares about Credit.
Payout of current Rosetta Tasks is about a quarter of what it was previously.

I didn't say it didn't p*ss me off, because it does. But that's because I'm... oh, we did that already

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