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Message 14851 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 10:38:38 UTC
Last modified: 28 Apr 2006, 11:37:30 UTC

Latter edit to include all the ones failed up to 7:20 AM AST
Deja Vu, again!!!
ALL my 5.06 units processed till now have resulted in computing errors. (ARGHHHH)


1 - http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=18463185

Result ID 18463185
Name AB_CASP6_t216__458_3672_0
Workunit 15244682
Created 28 Apr 2006 0:06:10 UTC
Sent 28 Apr 2006 4:29:15 UTC
Received 28 Apr 2006 10:29:12 UTC
Exit status -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
Report deadline 12 May 2006 4:29:15 UTC
CPU time 6.140625
stderr out <core_client_version>5.2.13</core_client_version>
<message> - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
LoadLibraryA( symsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( srcsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126

2 http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=18460320

Result ID 18460320
Name AB_CASP6_t212__458_3475_0
Workunit 15242120
Created 27 Apr 2006 23:21:55 UTC
Sent 28 Apr 2006 3:47:24 UTC
Received 28 Apr 2006 10:29:12 UTC
Exit status -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
Report deadline 12 May 2006 3:47:24 UTC
CPU time 2
stderr out <core_client_version>5.2.13</core_client_version>
<message> - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
LoadLibraryA( symsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( srcsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126

3 http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=18456375

Name AB_CASP6_t212__456_6140_0
Workunit 15238711
Created 27 Apr 2006 22:26:22 UTC
Sent 28 Apr 2006 2:56:19 UTC
Received 28 Apr 2006 10:29:12 UTC
Exit status -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
CPU time 2923.40625
stderr out <core_client_version>5.2.13</core_client_version>
<message> - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
# cpu_run_time_pref: 14400
# random seed: 2261381
LoadLibraryA( symsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( srcsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126

4 http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=18465643

Name AB_CASP6_t216__458_3834_0
Workunit 15246788
Created 28 Apr 2006 0:39:35 UTC
Sent 28 Apr 2006 5:06:49 UTC
Received28 Apr 2006 10:29:12 UTC
Exit status -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
CPU time 23.484375
stderr out <core_client_version>5.2.13</core_client_version>
<message> - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
LoadLibraryA( symsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( srcsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126

5 http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=18465644

Name AB_CASP6_t242__458_3834_0
Workunit 15246789
Created 28 Apr 2006 0:39:35 UTC
Sent 28 Apr 2006 5:06:49 UTC
Received 28 Apr 2006 11:03:34 UTC
Exit status -1073741795 (0xc000001d)
Report deadline 12 May 2006 5:06:49 UTC
CPU time 673.375
stderr out <core_client_version>5.2.13</core_client_version>
<message> - exit code -1073741795 (0xc000001d)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
# random seed: 2173667
LoadLibraryA( symsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( srcsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126

Jose is sad. very frustrated

My frustration is way past the issue of credits given/granted and team standings.

This rate of errors is not acceptable. This is way too high.
How can one, in good faith, ask for new volunteers if when they ask you to see your results the potential volunteers see such a large rate of errors? Large number of errors do not attract people to a project, any project. I know I am a small fish but, the last 10 people I have tried to recruit have pointed to what they perceive is an unsatisfactory error rate as the primary reason they wont join.




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Message 14855 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 12:16:28 UTC - in response to Message 14851.  

My frustration is way past the issue of credits given/granted and team standings.

This rate of errors is not acceptable. This is way too high.
How can one, in good faith, ask for new volunteers if when they ask you to see your results the potential volunteers see such a large rate of errors? Large number of errors do not attract people to a project, any project. I know I am a small fish but, the last 10 people I have tried to recruit have pointed to what they perceive is an unsatisfactory error rate as the primary reason they wont join.


Have you considered the possibility that it\'s your HARDWARE which is at fault here?

I have been crunching on 3xP4 PCs 24/7 for almost FOUR (4) MONTHS now and sofar have had TWO (2) stuck WUs. TWO! Do the math about the % of bad WUs!

Try joining another project, like Einstein@home and see if your WUs verify there.

Check your computer\'s memory (usually that\'s where 90% of problems arise) and then CPU heating and finally overall stability (mobo+CPU+memory) using:

http://www.memtest.org/
http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm (use \"torture test\" option for 12-48hrs)

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Message 14860 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 12:39:24 UTC - in response to Message 14855.  

My frustration is way past the issue of credits given/granted and team standings.

This rate of errors is not acceptable. This is way too high.
How can one, in good faith, ask for new volunteers if when they ask you to see your results the potential volunteers see such a large rate of errors? Large number of errors do not attract people to a project, any project. I know I am a small fish but, the last 10 people I have tried to recruit have pointed to what they perceive is an unsatisfactory error rate as the primary reason they wont join.


Have you considered the possibility that it\'s your HARDWARE which is at fault here?

I have been crunching on 3xP4 PCs 24/7 for almost FOUR (4) MONTHS now and sofar have had TWO (2) stuck WUs. TWO! Do the math about the % of bad WUs!

Try joining another project, like Einstein@home and see if your WUs verify there.

Check your computer\'s memory (usually that\'s where 90% of problems arise) and then CPU heating and finally overall stability (mobo+CPU+memory) using:

http://www.memtest.org/
http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm (use \"torture test\" option for 12-48hrs)


I have got 5 machines running Rosetta and haven\'t got many errors.

I also think it has to do something with your particular hardware setup.
this could be either faulty hardware, so try tunning the test.
or it is the combination of rosetta and your hardware so try running something else.
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Message 14861 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 13:01:37 UTC - in response to Message 14855.  


Have you considered the possibility that it\'s your HARDWARE which is at fault here?

I have been crunching on 3xP4 PCs 24/7 for almost FOUR (4) MONTHS now and sofar have had TWO (2) stuck WUs. TWO! Do the math about the % of bad WUs!

Try joining another project, like Einstein@home and see if your WUs verify there.

Check your computer\'s memory (usually that\'s where 90% of problems arise) and then CPU heating and finally overall stability (mobo+CPU+memory) using:

http://www.memtest.org/
http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm (use \"torture test\" option for 12-48hrs)
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I used the torture test and my computer passed it with flying colors.

My computer is kept in an air-cooled environment ( AC + a 30\" cooling fan) that keeps the temperature around my computer around the 50F . Right now the outside environment temperature in my house is hovering around 87 to 100 F , So I do place a lot of effort to keep my computer cooled. ( I cringe at the thought of how my house partner will react when the electricity bill arrives , but I will worry about that when that comes)

Somehow I have the strange feeling that the problem may due to the type of unit and the targeted cpu time in my preferences. Before I had to detach from RALPH ( I was having troubles with the transition between applications that I couldn\'t solve) , my computer processed without errors some AB_CASP6 units at 1 hour. All my Rosetta Failures came when I reset up my preferences to 4 hours.

Right now , the computer is processing another type of WU seemingly wo problem and at a nice clip. Let\'s see what happens when the next AB_CASP6 type units comes along (and there are three such units in line in my work queque)

Dimitris: I wish I could convince my friends showing them your statistics, but the problem is that the people that I am trying to recruit work in environments (computing, environmental and technical) similar to mine. So, they want to check up and compare with something similar to theirs.

My life-partner has placed my conundrum and hassles in a perspective that at least makes me smile: As long as I become the error magnet for Rosetta, other people are not getting the dastardly units. If that is going to be my contribution to the project, so be it. But, I wanted to do more.


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Message 14862 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 13:06:23 UTC - in response to Message 14856.  

5.06 so far has not shown any improvement in performance (As in completed/valid WU\'s) . All the 5.06 units I have processed until now have yielded computational errors.
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Message 14863 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 13:08:35 UTC - in response to Message 14861.  
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Have you considered the possibility that it\'s your HARDWARE which is at fault here?

I have been crunching on 3xP4 PCs 24/7 for almost FOUR (4) MONTHS now and sofar have had TWO (2) stuck WUs. TWO! Do the math about the % of bad WUs!

Try joining another project, like Einstein@home and see if your WUs verify there.

Check your computer\'s memory (usually that\'s where 90% of problems arise) and then CPU heating and finally overall stability (mobo+CPU+memory) using:

http://www.memtest.org/
http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm (use \"torture test\" option for 12-48hrs)


I used the torture test and my computer passed it with no errors reported.

My computer shows:
(According to my Memory optimizer I have 636 mb of free physical memory out of a total memory of 1007.23 MB and 1889 MB of free space in paging file)

The following data comes from my computer info in the Rosetta file.
Cache 976.56 KB
Swap space 2353.72 MB
Total disk space 76.69 GB
Free Disk Space 71 GB
Measured floating point speed 2012.98 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 4045.58 million ops/sec

I dont know how good are these numbers for a P4, 2.26 GZ Northwood chip that records a L1 cache of 8kb and an L2 cache of 512 KB) As I told other people before: I know bupcous about hardware/benchmarks . So if any one wants to tell me what all those numbers mean, please contact me at joseantonio@choicecable.net [b]



My computer is kept in an air-cooled environment ( AC + a 30\" cooling fan) that keeps the temperature around my computer around the 50F . Right now the outside environment temperature in my house is hovering around 87 to 100 F , So I do place a lot of effort to keep my computer cooled. ( I cringe at the thought of how my house partner will react when the electricity bill arrives , but I will worry about that when that comes)

Somehow I have the strange feeling that the problem may due to the type of unit and the targeted cpu time in my preferences. Before I had to detach from RALPH ( I was having troubles with the transition between applications that I couldn\'t solve) , my computer processed without errors some AB_CASP6 units at 1 hour. All my Rosetta Failures came when I reset up my preferences to 4 hours.

Right now , the computer is processing another type of WU seemingly wo problem and at a nice clip. Let\'s see what happens when the next AB_CASP6 type units comes along (and there are three such units in line in my work queque)

Dimitris: I wish I could convince my friends showing them your statistics, but the problem is that the people that I am trying to recruit work in environments (computing, environmental and technical) similar to mine. So, they want to check up and compare with something similar to theirs.

[b] My life-partner has placed my conundrum and hassles in a perspective that at least makes me smile: As long as I become the error magnet for Rosetta, other people are not getting the dastardly units. If that is going to be my contribution to the project, so be it. But, I wanted to do more.


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Message 14864 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 13:11:37 UTC

Interesting idea that is is something with the WU lenght.

Got mine set on 1 Hour, i could check if this is the problem, but right now I am in a competition and I don\'t want to change the settings.

Afther the weekend I could test it, and change my WU\'s to 4 hours or something.
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Message 14871 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 13:57:40 UTC - in response to Message 14869.  
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For errors resulting from Rosetta Version 5.01, continue to report here.
For errors relating to Rosetta Version 5.06 report here


Looks like you copied this from the 5.01 thread and forgot to edit. :)


All the units I have reported in this thread are 5.06. The first 5 WUs are AB_CASP6 and they ALL are 5.06. The 6th one I reported is also a 5.06.

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Message 14872 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 14:10:45 UTC
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@Jose

Indeed it seems you are the error magnet. ;-) A few recommendations to make your contribution as helpful as possible:

1. Lower your cache size to 0.01 days so that you only have one WU at a time.
2. Set your CPU-Time to 3600 seconds but don\'t abort until the WU reaches 12000 seconds.

All your errors are the 107 ones (except the ones you aborted), which is a mysterious error code for a variety of failures which are hard to identify. Ignore the 107er errors at the moment and look for any WU going past four times your preference settings. If there are no such ones 5.06 is already an improvement. As for the 107er errors be patient until the devs can figure something out from your dumps. It seems you are not participating in other BOICN-projects so we really can\'t be sure whether it is not something about your hardware in general.
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Message 14877 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 15:15:58 UTC
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These posts and the discussion were moved from the reporting thread for organizational purposes
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Message 14878 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 15:19:05 UTC - in response to Message 14872.  
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@Jose

Indeed it seems you are the error magnet. ;-) A few recommendations to make your contribution as helpful as possible:

1. Lower your cache size to 0.01 days so that you only have one WU at a time.
2. Set your CPU-Time to 3600 seconds but don\'t abort until the WU reaches 12000 seconds. And I will only reports errors not previously reported ad nauseam by me.)

It seems you are not participating in other BOICN-projects so we really can\'t be sure whether it is not something about your hardware in general.


Once I finish the Work Units I have I will reduce my cache size to .01 and the CPU-time to 3600 seconds and I wont abort till 1200 seconds

I participated briefly in RALPH, My experience was frustrating as I was having problems setting it up so the transition between applications had me more confused and frustrated that I care to be right now.
I was for a brief time a member of other projects : Einstein, Folding@Home and another which I dont recall ( Blame it on my old age) but I decided to dedicate myself COMPLETELY to Rosetta.


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Message 14880 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 15:27:20 UTC - in response to Message 14876.  

[color=darkred][b]Help has arrived.

Many of you have asked if credit will be awarded for these failed Work units, and the answer is YES. The credit is awarded on Fridays for failed Work Units.



Lets see what happens after Friday. ( Today)
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]Help has arrived.

Many of you have asked if credit will be awarded for these failed Work units, and the answer is YES. The credit is awarded on Fridays for failed Work Units.



Lets see what happens after Friday. ( Today)


The Work Units that error on friday (today) may not be included in the awards for the same day that they error. If not they will be in the next Fridays awards (one week later).

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Message 14888 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 16:46:09 UTC
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Here\'s an interesting 5.06 result. Although I have my run-time set to 8 hours and all the jobs are ending around then, this AB_CASP6 job quit all by itself in less than 3.5 hours. If this is an example of the software catching a \'no progress\' situation, then it worked. If not, then I\'d like to hear speculation.
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Message 14892 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 17:01:48 UTC - in response to Message 14888.  
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Here\'s an interesting 5.06 result. Although I have my run-time set to 8 hours and all the jobs are ending around then, this AB_CASP6 job quit all by itself in less than 3.5 hours. If this is an example of the software catching a \'no progress\' situation, then it worked. If not, then I\'d like to hear speculation.


I also have 8hr WUs and noticed a similar behaviour under WinXP for the last 2 WUs sofar, ending at ~15.2k seconds (instead of the expected 28k seconds) both at 15 nstruct, e.g.

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Message 14893 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 17:05:35 UTC - in response to Message 14892.  

Here\'s an interesting 5.06 result. Although I have my run-time set to 8 hours and all the jobs are ending around then, this AB_CASP6 job quit all by itself in less than 3.5 hours. If this is an example of the software catching a \'no progress\' situation, then it worked. If not, then I\'d like to hear speculation.


I also have 8hr WUs and noticed a similar behaviour under WinXP for the last 2 WUs sofar, ending at ~15.2k seconds (instead of the expected 28k seconds) both at 15 nstruct, e.g.

18463077
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Dimitry you talk about hours... look at my logs the units were terminated with errors in minutes..... some less than in a minute

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Message 14895 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 17:14:14 UTC - in response to Message 14888.  
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Here\'s an interesting 5.06 result. Although I have my run-time set to 8 hours and all the jobs are ending around then, this AB_CASP6 job quit all by itself in less than 3.5 hours. If this is an example of the software catching a \'no progress\' situation, then it worked. If not, then I\'d like to hear speculation.



If you look at the result you will se that it asked for 30 \"runns\".

This text - 30 (nstruct) times -

And it was return when they was done.

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Message 14897 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 17:42:57 UTC

Jose - how about trying to temporarily unload your memory optimizer for a day, and see how that changes your success rate?



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Message 14902 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 18:55:29 UTC

@cMw you will get credit for those in a week or so.

These are interesting errors since it seems a lot of models could be calculated until the error stroke. I\'m sure Rhiju will have a look on those errors.
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Message 14904 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 19:13:08 UTC - in response to Message 14900.  

my rac has dropped 25 pts how am i supposed to contribute at all when ALL i have gotten so far is computation errors...

Your results both show models completed. Therefore credit will be granted. Your RAC is a temporary problem, it is due to these WUs running for a longer time before they completed (apparently you increased your preference for crunch time per WU??). And so once credit is granted, your RAC will probably jump higher than you expected.

With the new changes, and increased frequency of checkpointing, your RAC is going to go up! But it takes time to impact your RAC. You\'ve only been with the project 4 days, your RAC will stabilize over time. Your credit will be granted. Your reported results are useful. Even the fact that you encountered an error is useful.

Your langague is unappreciated, unncessary and definately not helping resolve anything. Please retain some composure. And try not to let virtual objects like credits effect your blood pressure, stress level and health.
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