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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 109138)
Posted 2 days ago by Greg_BE Post: And again, not a word from the project. Wonder what it was this time. |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 109137)
Posted 2 days ago by Greg_BE Post: That's not our problem. This is a Rosetta place not a Folding. It's not our issue. Take it up with Folding. And you dilemma is for you to figure out, we don't need to know nor do we care about your dilemma. That is your alone to figure out. I'd like to comment. |
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Whis is this new Rosetta Beta work?
(Message 109130)
Posted 6 days ago by Greg_BE Post: Is this a new form of the Rosetta program or just a new structure or new way of working on a protein? If its not broken don't mess with it...lol and keep the crunchers in the dark. That's their idea. |
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Whis is this new Rosetta Beta work?
(Message 109128)
Posted 7 days ago by Greg_BE Post: Is this a new form of the Rosetta program or just a new structure or new way of working on a protein? |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 109127)
Posted 7 days ago by Greg_BE Post: I've set no new tasks again. The current jobs have 8 hours as their runtime, but here, they are running for three times that, (4GHz i7), which is pushing my system into panic mode. Check your system resources, what all is using your memory and CPU? Your processor is also very old. Launched August 5, 2015 Discontinued March 4, 2019 (desktop processors) Maybe you should put a restriction on how many active tasks you have going at one time. But look, everyone offers your suggestions and you say everything is working fine, I don't want to mess with anything. Then you come here and complain about this or that. So why do we even bother answering you anymore? You don't listen. If Grant says something needs to change, then listen to him. If you don't then your system will just continue to be "slow" or whatever the problem is now. I think your processor is to slow for these high level tasks. I have a AMD Ryzen 7 and I have no trouble chewing up these tasks. You have lost 5 tasks to Time Out because you can not complete all the tasks you download in the 3 day period the project has given you to process the tasks. So again, the idea of restricting the amount of Rosetta work or other project work seems to make sense. Whatever it is, other projects, processor speed, something is slowing you down. You have a 2 day turn around time. You have 3 days to download, process and report back a task. Grant might have some suggestions or thoughts, but on the other hand maybe he is is tired of suggesting things and being ignored. Good luck figuring it out, I'm out of ideas. |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 109083)
Posted 19 days ago by Greg_BE Post: 28 tasks with validate error...great....but i suppose thats just the way it goes with a beta. |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 109007)
Posted 16 Mar 2024 by Greg_BE Post: Just got 21 of those. It is this series: 7a_hal_c_hal_7aa_................. Just downloaded 4 beta 6.05 tasks one of which immediately (0.02 seconds CPU) failed with :- |
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Why no work on my computer since Feb 17, 2024
(Message 109006)
Posted 16 Mar 2024 by Greg_BE Post: While you guys can discount my approach and everything I have said, things are going well now with all four projects to which I am attached, especially Rosetta which continues to return positive results. Well then why come here and ask detailed questions when you don't follow his information? Look, in the end if everything works ok, then just leave it alone. But Grant has left very specific instructions to follow if things don't work. Before you ask questions about no work, look at the server status page. If the ready to send is 0 or 1 then there is no new work available at the time you looked. Check again in 12-24hrs. If you still have no work, then either your queue is full with other work or too small. The log will tell you. Requesting no work or requesting no work CPU cache (or whatever the message is) means you queue is full. Again the decimal figure needs to be higher or 0 if you want more work, otherwise just wait. |
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Why no work on my computer since Feb 17, 2024
(Message 109000)
Posted 16 Mar 2024 by Greg_BE Post: BTW... .1 and .01? what the *%*%* is that nonsense. At minimum .25 and .25 for a half day queue. or .25 and 0 for a 1/4 day. But honestly....stop messing around with those values. .25 or .50 or some combination of the two for a quarter or a half or three quarters of a day of queued work. But first, NO NEW WORK!Once again you've got it wrong. Geees you are a sour old man...this setting works perfect for me. However I will try the 0 setting. If the cache is not needed then why did BOINC put it in? There is obviously some benefit to it. BOINC developers don't put stuff in for no reason. I get rid of useless projects because my system goes looking for work there and if there is none then why keep them? Especially projects that are dead. Perhaps though that is just stuff he was attached to in the past. I didn't go digging around. Anyway..hes set in his ways...so whatever...I'm gone. |
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Why no work on my computer since Feb 17, 2024
(Message 108996)
Posted 16 Mar 2024 by Greg_BE Post: Richard, Grant and I are old hands at this stuff. I will suggest this, you have 26 Roesetta tasks that take 6+ hours each to finish on a 3 day deadline. That gives you very little room to do any other work. For now, set EVERYTHING to 'No new tasks' in the project tab and empty your queue of all projects and all tasks. Change your days of work to .25 in both boxes. That is a half day in total. When your queue is empty then accept new work. I see your on LHC like me, but yet you have very little recent credit. I don't have time to see whats going on there, but you should be getting more recent credit from that project unless your just waiting on ATLAS. Based on your RAC you should dump these projects: PrimeGrid 942,098 4 18 Nov 2023 LHC@home 3,930 1 13 Nov 2023 GPUGRID 17,816,440 0 8 Feb 2012 yoyo@home 76,333 0 And WCG...you might as well dump that. They can't get their act together. Then you are down to: Einstein@Home 1,523,996 46,740 9 Nov 2023 NumberFields@home 136,160 2,838 30 Nov 2023 MilkyWay@home 23,784 482 9 Nov 2023 Asteroids@home 134,897 309 7 Nov 2023 And Rosetta. With this done you have a clean set up of BOINC. But again... .5 days in each field. This should give you a nice fast turn around and improve your chances of getting credit. Follow these recommendations and you should see an improvement. BTW... .1 and .01? what the *%*%* is that nonsense. At minimum .25 and .25 for a half day queue. or .25 and 0 for a 1/4 day. But honestly....stop messing around with those values. .25 or .50 or some combination of the two for a quarter or a half or three quarters of a day of queued work. But first, NO NEW WORK! |
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Why no work on my computer since Feb 17, 2024
(Message 108992)
Posted 15 Mar 2024 by Greg_BE Post: Richard, My configuration can handle 10 projects. I keep a small queue for work. .75 for primary and .75 for extra. Anything more than that and you don't return tasks on time. I assign 95% of my memory resources to BOINC and 15/16 threads. I run a 8 core 16 thread processor and 2 GPU cards. I change tasks automatically every hour. I don't know how much work you are keeping, but you should not keep more 1.5- 2 days in total of work. Less is better. You get new work faster from the projects and you do not run out of time for credit if there is a short deadline. My kind of configuration allows Rosetta to get its time in along with other projects. Key point of all this is keep your work units value low and let BOINC balance how much work you do from each project. It might download a bunch of Rosetta work first to get the credits up and then once it has reached its happy point it will settle down and balance your work load with the other projects. If you go messing around with stuff to much, then BOINC has no idea what to do anymore. Try .50 in both fields for the amount of work. Then just let BOINC work on the tasks you have in queue right now and let it get to 1 day of total work. If your projects are happy with this, then change to .75 in both or some mix that equals 1.5 days of work. You can try 2 days and see what happens, but I think that is to much work and will create a backlog with deadline missed abort errors. This is just my personal experience with BOINC and Rosetta and all the others. |
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Why no work on my computer since Feb 17, 2024
(Message 108981)
Posted 14 Mar 2024 by Greg_BE Post: PrimeGrid is showing on your computer info page here at Rosetta. Following the link to your computer and tasks at PrimeGrid shows contact Feb 16th and a task 'timed out and no response' It's simple, Rosetta does not generate a lot of work consistently. There are over 1 million users on this project and 4 million computers. Out of that in the last 24-48 hours or whatever they call 'recent' there were 14,977 users with 30,100 computers and I just came back to look at whats going on here since I stepped away and saw that there was something like 100,000 tasks. So if you divide that total by computers with multiple cores you can see that batch of work was gone in a heartbeat. I came back just now 24 hours later and the work is all being processed and there is no new work. You can stay attached to this project, but the work will be in spurts and not steady. They do most of their work inhouse now on a AI system. |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 107683)
Posted 7 Nov 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Hey Sid, KMA...seriously. You think you own these boards and know it all. If you do, then why not go work for them? I'll come back here to pester your ass every now and then. But I'm settled on projects that have plenty of work, not the hodgepodge castoff stuff that comes here now. |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 107621)
Posted 1 Nov 2022 by Greg_BE Post: There really is nothing quite so tiresome as random people claiming the project is going to close down because they had a period with no tasks. Because you all say, oh theres work...yeah..where? I say theres work for their neural network and not so much for us. So I wonder where you guys get your data from that there is "work" for us. I go through 17 pages of data at random intervals and find only stuff for neural network. So what pages and what tags have the stuff for here? That's what I am pushing at. You might try to use some logic in that head of yours instead of whining all the time about what I say. I get tired of you just whining and not providing answers to show that I am wrong in what I say. Don't like what I have to say, ignore it and move on or just put me in your list of people you don't want to see. Computing status Work Tasks ready to send 0 So where in all those pages on Robetta is the next supposed batch of work? |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 107614)
Posted 29 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: [snip] ok, so short of clicking every workunit or whatever...how can you tell at a glance what is going to come here? |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 107612)
Posted 29 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: There really is nothing quite so tiresome as random people claiming the project is going to close down because they had a period with no tasks. The majority of the work goes to their 3 channel deep learning system. That's what I saw on Robetta at least. Robetta is the system that feeds all systems right? There is no separate system that feeds here? |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 107608)
Posted 28 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: wow..17 tasks available..whoopie! Where do you see the so called upcoming RAH stuff? I looked randomly up to page 17 of Robetta and all I see is neural network stuff. So either I am looking in the wrong place or something does not add up. |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 107594)
Posted 27 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Rosetta is out of work, DENIS has a model problem, COSMO has a SSL problem, what else is going on out there with problems? Seems like you need 12 projects to get 8 of them with work at any given time. |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 107591)
Posted 26 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: WCG now appears to be trying to get more useful work done by sending mostly tasks with small total sizes of the input files, such as tasks for the OPN1 subproject. I'm not doing ARP. Just the others. Grinding through them just fine. Getting mostly OPN. |
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Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
(Message 107589)
Posted 26 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Thanks, but it doesn't work for me. Also, I can't attach to any location except "school", even if I detach from the project and reattach. Weird, because I am using default profile and all I did was recheck rainfall and save and then uncheck it and save and the use BOINC to update. |
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