Posts by Greg_BE

1) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106392)
Posted 21 days ago by Profile Greg_BE
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I just got back from vacation and restarted my system. I didn't check it and today I did and I see this stupid project dropped me from VM jobs until I reset it again a bit ago. This project really enjoys kicking people off its VM stuff.
I keep getting kicked off on a machine that never fails a VB task. It doesn't make sense.



Nothing here makes sense anymore....new normal I guess.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106390)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Greg_BE
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I just got back from vacation and restarted my system. I didn't check it and today I did and I see this stupid project dropped me from VM jobs until I reset it again a bit ago. This project really enjoys kicking people off its VM stuff.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106247)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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I've lost a Radeon 6990 and a cockatiel in the last couple of days, I'm not happy. Things should be made to last forever.

Note that it would then take forever to determine if they actually last forever or not.
Forever is not a fixed time. It could be 5 times longer than normal for example.



You know those McDonald's trackers for your table? (well here in EU we have them)
I looked at the underside last night, made in Thailand assembled in China.
And since most stuff these days is or was made in China, its cheap and throw away.
The GPU mfg's would not be in business if their cards lasted forever.
Cars used to last forever, but the "forever" went away in the 80s I think when we switched over to make things as cheap as possible and charge regular price to make more profit and get the consumer to buy more.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106240)
Posted 18 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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The machine I'm trying to run python on keeps getting banned, despite completing most of them successfully. Is there ever an end to problems here?

And yes I know they have feelings, that's why I buy "broken" GPUs on Ebay and try to get them to do something. Actually that's probably cruel as the poor things thought they'd retired.



Probably your GPU's are complaining loudly and the RAH server is taking sympathy.
Maybe you insulted it to many times?
Or your just lucky 13.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106238)
Posted 17 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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OLDER? Really? Ryzen 3700x here, barely 2 years old in my system.
ROTFPMSL at your computer being insulted. <-- yeah, don't you know microchips have feelings?

Project doesn't give a S--- about failures. As long as they get the data somehow from someone and if its just one task somewhere that dies...oh well.
There's a lot less pythons in the queue than there was. Either we've crunched them way faster than I thought we would, or they've been deleting some, or many have failed. Perhaps the next batch will have improvements.
<-- what is the source of these pythons tasks and has anybody ever seen the output from them?
6) Message boards : News : Outage notice (Message 106237)
Posted 17 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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Vbox doesn't work on your system?
Unless its something from the early 2000's it should work on your system.
But if you don't like running Vbox, then there is nothing left here.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106229)
Posted 16 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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I don't get this....currently 29 seconds processing on 4hrs and 12 minutes run time.
CPU is at .19% Progress is .006% every 2 seconds.
Again a aam task. Some work some don't.
ABORTED
That's 3,
The other two completed ok on the wingmen.
No idea what the difference is. One was linux and the other was windows.

2022-05-16 15:41:54 (2912): VM state change detected. (old = 'running', new = 'paused')
2022-05-16 15:46:33 (2912): VM state change detected. (old = 'paused', new = 'running')

[snip]

The important lines were:

2022-05-16 17:21:17 (2912): Status Report: Elapsed Time: '6000.901087'
2022-05-16 17:21:17 (2912): Status Report: CPU Time: '13.968750'

Basically, the emulated operating system encountered an error and didn't report what it was. It then started waiting for another command, but the task didn't have any, so it did almost nothing for a few hours.

Check your event log for a line similar to this one, near its beginning:

5/14/2022 11:59:47 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 vmx smx tm2 pbe fsgsbase bmi1 hle smep bmi2

If avx and avx2 do not appear in this line for your computer, expect very few if any of the Rosetta Python task to work correctly.

If they do appear, most of them will work, but an occasional few won't. It's a known problem and the project shows very little sign of planning to fix it.

In other words, the Rosetta VM tasks aren't set up to work correctly on many of the older CPUs.


OLDER? Really? Ryzen 3700x here, barely 2 years old in my system.
In stderr that does not show
In the BOINC manager log at the start you get that
5/16/2022 8:41:38 AM | | Processor: 16 AuthenticAMD AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 113 Stepping 0]
5/16/2022 8:41:38 AM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 svm sse4a osvw ibs skinit wdt tce topx page1gb rdtscp fsgsbase bmi1 smep bmi2

Project doesn't give a S--- about failures. As long as they get the data somehow from someone and if its just one task somewhere that dies...oh well.

Was just checking it was not my machine. Your explanation of the process is very interesting. Thanks
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106225)
Posted 16 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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I don't get this....currently 29 seconds processing on 4hrs and 12 minutes run time.
CPU is at .19% Progress is .006% every 2 seconds.
Again a aam task. Some work some don't.
ABORTED
That's 3,
The other two completed ok on the wingmen.
No idea what the difference is. One was linux and the other was windows.

2022-05-16 15:41:54 (2912): VM state change detected. (old = 'running', new = 'paused')
2022-05-16 15:46:33 (2912): VM state change detected. (old = 'paused', new = 'running')
2022-05-16 15:50:03 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 15:50:06 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 15:58:24 (2912): VM state change detected. (old = 'running', new = 'paused')
2022-05-16 16:00:24 (2912): VM state change detected. (old = 'paused', new = 'running')
2022-05-16 16:02:18 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 16:02:20 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 16:02:21 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 16:12:33 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 16:12:36 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 16:12:36 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 16:16:55 (2912): VM state change detected. (old = 'running', new = 'paused')
2022-05-16 16:17:27 (2912): VM state change detected. (old = 'paused', new = 'running')
2022-05-16 16:23:14 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 16:23:15 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 16:23:15 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 16:33:22 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 16:33:25 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 16:33:25 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 16:43:32 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 16:43:35 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 16:43:35 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 16:53:45 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 16:53:47 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 16:53:47 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 17:03:56 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 17:03:59 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 17:03:59 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 17:14:08 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 17:14:10 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 17:14:11 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 17:21:17 (2912): Status Report: Elapsed Time: '6000.901087'
2022-05-16 17:21:17 (2912): Status Report: CPU Time: '13.968750'
2022-05-16 17:24:20 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 17:24:23 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 17:24:23 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 17:34:33 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 17:34:35 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 17:34:35 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 17:44:44 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 17:44:47 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 17:44:48 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 17:54:56 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 17:54:59 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 17:54:59 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 18:05:07 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 18:05:10 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 18:05:11 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 18:15:19 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 18:15:22 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 18:15:22 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 18:25:30 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 18:25:32 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 18:25:32 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 18:35:42 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 18:35:44 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 18:35:44 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 18:45:54 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 18:45:56 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 18:45:57 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 18:56:06 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 18:56:08 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 18:56:09 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 19:03:08 (2912): Status Report: Elapsed Time: '12001.707567'
2022-05-16 19:03:08 (2912): Status Report: CPU Time: '24.187500'
2022-05-16 19:06:13 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 19:06:15 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 19:06:15 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 19:14:00 (2912): VM state change detected. (old = 'running', new = 'paused')
2022-05-16 19:46:26 (2912): VM state change detected. (old = 'paused', new = 'running')
2022-05-16 19:48:42 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 19:48:44 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 19:48:44 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 19:58:58 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 19:59:01 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 19:59:02 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 20:09:01 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 20:09:03 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 20:09:03 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
2022-05-16 20:19:11 (2912): Creating new snapshot for VM.
2022-05-16 20:19:14 (2912): Deleting stale snapshot.
2022-05-16 20:19:14 (2912): Checkpoint completed.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106224)
Posted 16 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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And here we go again...2 mins computation and boom, dead but still running.
So far 2 tasks. Yesterday and today.
This is so old.

Yesterday's task goes to a Linux machine now.
I just killed todays buggy task, so not assigned yet.
At least you're doing some. My 2 smartphones and 5 of my PCs don't have AVX so can't do it at all. One of my computers is my main machine and Virtualpox slows down the interface enough to make me want to punch the screen. So that just leaves one single i5-8600K. Can't be bothered, it's doing Folding. Rosetta has too many requirements.


I've probably spent 400 in upgrades and replacements over the last 2 years.
Had to get 2 sticks new memory to handle up to 15 pythons at one time.
I accidentally got water drops on my MOBO after trying to disassemble a custom AIO refillable custom cooler after the pump broke down. So that cooked the MOBO a bit and then I decided to upgrade the CPU to go with a new future proof MOBO. I lost money at a incompetent repair center. Bought a new cooler (PC Mag EU cooler of the year) after researching it deeply. New center rebuilt the PC with this cooler. Still using my 1050 that I bought eons ago (in computer terms) and a secondhand 1080 I got for a steal from a graphics company offloading them (from their server room). I also changed out my power supply for a digital power supply. My case was to small for the new setup so I had to get a new case.
I am now settled in with this system and the only thing i MIGHT do is upgrade the 1050 at sometime.

Now this custom setup can handle anything I throw at. Pythons and videos at the same time along with primegrid on GPU and so on. It was worth the money, that's why I am pissed off when a task locks up my system. I burn a ton of power with this thing, I don't need buggy tasks.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106211)
Posted 15 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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And here we go again...2 mins computation and boom, dead but still running.
So far 2 tasks. Yesterday and today.
This is so old.

Yesterday's task goes to a Linux machine now.
I just killed todays buggy task, so not assigned yet.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106210)
Posted 15 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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Nothing magical. Just different hardware, possibly with a different instruction set.
Completely different instruction set.
I'm pretty sure WCG was actually running on an IBM mainframe. They've had to move it over to x86 based systems. Not a trivial task.
So into the 21st century at last. Why does IBM still exist?


To fund AI. Deep thought or whatever that is/was that took on humans in Jeopardy.
You want to see what all they are into, then go here: https://www.ibm.com/us-en/
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106186)
Posted 11 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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dumb ass server booted me awhile back and I didn't notice.
no idea what errors I generated this time.

maybe it is time to leave and go search for a real project that doesn't have this kind of stupidiness involved and has no interest in its volunteers.

I'm going on vacation soon, so maybe when I come back I just remove this project.
I can't be monitoring this project all the time to see if I am removed from python or not, I have a life that does not involve me sitting here watching every night to see if I am removed or not.

This project has gone so far downhill I think they just keep it around for the funding.
There is obviously no interest in this project from the team.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106155)
Posted 2 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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Hardly, avx came out at the start of 2011 - very new in terms of computers would be at least the start of 2021.
Snob! I have 7 PCs and only 2 have AVX. Most of my equipment is 2nd hand and an average of 10 years old. I fail to see the point in spending thousands on stuff that goes a few times faster than stuff that's 50 quid.
Not a snob, just trying not to mislead people viewing your post.
Ah, OCD then.

Imagine someone with a pc vintage 2019 who doesn’t try Rosetta because the hardware is 2 generations old and you’ve said it will only run on very new hardware.
I did say AVX... .


You also said very new hardware which is a complete lie.



CUT IT OUT! Save this kind of crap for personal messages. Your clogging up the board with this nitpicking and accusing. Get back to what this thread is about. Problems and technical issues.

GEES!
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106148)
Posted 1 May 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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I have three Windows PC , one old Linux laptop and one Linux Virtual Machine on a Windows 10 host. The Linux computers all validate their tasks. The rosetta python tasks all validate, as the ATLAS@home tasks at LHC@home CERN tasks.
Tullio



I just grabbed you top two machines and saw the errors.
Each machine is different.
I can run Python with no problems most of the time.
LHC ATLAS runs background no problem.
I grind Einstein and Prime Grid no problem either.
So not sure whats up with your two machines other than just bugged tasks because others also errored out on the same task. it was a 100% failed task start to finish.

LHC runs a bit more professionally and their data is all the same. Not the new and weird stuff they try here.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106140)
Posted 30 Apr 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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I am using 6.1.34 on rosetta python, Atlas@home and QuChem. All go well, but QuChem has many invalid results, not errors.
Tullio
My QuChem works perfectly on VB5. The good VB before they messed it up.

Why do you differentiate between "invalid" and "error"?

It is the project that makes the difference. I follow their naming.
Tullio
I have 56 invalids and 2 errors. I am number 59 in the RAC list.



Your computer one generated an error. Not your fault. That was a plagued task. No one had it validate successfully.

Computer 2 - invalid validate error. not your fault. again...everyone else had the same problem.
Then you have Completed, validation inconclusive. Again, not your fault.

It seems to be a bug in their system. The error messages are consistent and the people before and after you get the same result.

The two error types are Completed, can't validate and Completed, validation inconclusive.
Neither one has anything to do with your machines. It's the tasks and their validation process that have issues.
16) Message boards : Rosetta@home Science : IPD COVD-19 Vaccine Awaiting Aproval after Phase 3 Trials (Message 106136)
Posted 29 Apr 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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That was made with Rosetta? The article I read somewhere made it sound like they figured it out in their own labs.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106127)
Posted 29 Apr 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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I am using 6.1.34 on rosetta python, Atlas@home and QuChem. All go well, but QuChem has many invalid results, not errors.
Tullio
My QuChem works perfectly on VB5. The good VB before they messed it up.

Why do you differentiate between "invalid" and "error"?



Maybe you should check with the project for us and see if they know that VB 6 flavors DO NOT work on their project. Because I had the 6.1.32 and QuChem kept going unstable. So I gave up.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106126)
Posted 29 Apr 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, I don't have root on my phone and won't do it, but I'll try to get it running on my PC. 😊



Then you phone might as well do some other non virtual box work from another project.
This project has gone to 99% virtual box.

Look on the BOINC list of projects and see what there is for ARM projects, but then watch out for the virtual box symbol because the project may be only virtualbox work.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106113)
Posted 28 Apr 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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I don't really understand. My smartphone Xiaomi Mi 9T pro worked under Rosetta @Home and I have probably 10,000 points there. Currently it is not getting any task. I'm using the Boinc app, so what can I do to get Rosetta to download tasks?



Your phone works the same as us PC users.
You got tasks when they were non virtualbox 4.2 plain jane tasks.
You could crunch those without anything extra.

This has changed. 4.2 is a thing of the past or very rare in having tasks and if there are tasks quite often they error out due to a bug in the code that the person did not check.

So now you need virtualization software that allows these special kinds of tasks to run on your computer and phone. Look up VMOS and read about it. It requires rooting your phone if you haven't done that already, but it does provide the virtualization environment to run these new python tasks in theory. The majority of us use PC's so we can only guess and read on the net (same as you) what works on a android phone.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 106112)
Posted 28 Apr 2022 by Profile Greg_BE
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I don't think there is virtualbox for android.


https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=VMOS


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