Posts by [B^S] suguruhirahara

1) Message boards : Number crunching : 20,000,000,000 Credits across ALL BOINC Projects (Message 32693)
Posted 15 Dec 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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I wouldn\'t use total credits as a measure for anything, people at various projects are still able to just claim whatever they want.

It\'s just a milestone. Whether it\'s a correct measurement or not, increasing of credits always means that there is an activity of BOINC. The graph shows that the team has the continuous activity for around 2 years. The milestone itself is great one, isn\'t it?
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Another discussion on the New Credit System (Message 26912)
Posted 16 Sep 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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ok everyone, can we discuss the new vs old credit systems here (i.e. on topic!)? What\'s anyone\'s thoughts on the old vs new systems?


new one sucks

you know what you\'re saying?

If you think so, why don\'t you tell the reasons?
There are many people who\'ve worked on it. Don\'t insult their work without expressing your productive opinions.

The new system is one which depends on the actual work we do.
Thus if you think it\'s no good, then people might think that you want credits more than you should be granted. No one regards it\'s fair.

Anyway you\'d better to tell the reasons.

Thanks for reading,
suguruhirahara
3) Message boards : Number crunching : A Challenge (Message 25588)
Posted 30 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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Could someone explain why the amount of credits granted per day has been obviously decreased in this week? It\'s strange...
4) Message boards : Number crunching : New Crediting system: questions (Message 24211)
Posted 22 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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If anyone is interested, you can gain access to the Rosetta source code by working with the U of Washington licensing folks. Suggestions on how to improve the code would be forwarded to the lab, and if accepted, worked into a future release.

This must be a great help for this project
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Why are discussions about Rosetta taking place on other boards? (Message 23409)
Posted 19 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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EDIT: I find this post specially offensive: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1662584&postcount=27

\"I really don\'t know what to do to make everybody happy. Shall we just stick with the old credit system?

I\'m delighted that there are people willing to be forum moderators. Send me an email and we will sign you up. I think a lot of the problems would not have happened if Moderator9 hadn\'t gotten busy, and no other volunteers really stepped forward to take his place.\"

Could anyone find it\'s the equal attitude to the all participants?

PS. This thread will be deleted because of violation near in future lol
6) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22211)
Posted 10 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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@njkid32
calmdown.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22208)
Posted 10 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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Cudgel your brains about the new credit system, visit RALPH\'s forum, and write your ideas down on that thread. Rosetta project team offers you all to post suggestions here.

edit: not only thierry@home but others should go there
8) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22205)
Posted 10 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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there MUST be a cross project equalization of credit systems. That is one of BOINC\'s features, the abilty to crunch several projects and be granted similar credit for these project.

Same here. A few adjustments can go, but the completely different system cannot as far as this project applys BOINC framework at least, since the new system could change the relationship between crunching and 1 credit granted.

just annoyed to see interesting ideas buried in more long angry posts full of noise. Argh...

Me too. Moderators should do something here...
9) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22199)
Posted 10 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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I am tired of the whole optimized vs non optimized clients thing. specially the continuous use of the word cheating. This is the last time you are going to hear me say this: AS LONG AS THE USE OF OPTIMIZED CLIENTS IS NOT EXPLICETLY PROHIBITED IN A PROJECT , THEIR USE IS NOT CHEATING. Specially since the open nature of the BOINC code allows for changes and modifications in the code.

So why don\'t project leaders prohibit the use of the optimised client?
According to posts on seti@home forum, at least the source code of the 5.5.0 was not available, which means that no one except the code writer cannot know what the application does. Even more without publishing source code distributing the software violates GPL. I\'m not sure whether even using the software violate it or not, though.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22164)
Posted 10 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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...
There is the issue of the optimised clients. We and most of the top teams use them.
Is it a quest for higher points? NO! It is the awarding of points on a percentage FAIRLY between the different types of cpu\'s used.
...

What do you mean? IMHO using the optimised client, which applys CPU extensions to its benchmark system, is a form of overclaiming, unless science applications also apply the same extension. It\'s no problem to use both optimised client and application at the same time. Does Rosetta\'s application use any extention like SSE?
11) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22122)
Posted 9 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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so you seti guys really think if they erase everyone points and put the new credit system we XS wont be at the top again by a huge margin like we are now?

i think the problem you fail to see we arent doing this for points, at least me, we are doing this because is this the most promissing project in comunity we are looking for answers and you guy complaining because you POS machine doesnt make points are diverting efforts to make a new credit system when things will remaing the same?

N1:)
Crunchers of XtremeSystems have participated in this project for long time.
They never said that the credit system shouldn\'t/needn\'t be changed. They said it should be changed anyway, at least. Actually fair system can prove their innocence. Also, everyone will be unpleasant if his/her credit would be erased without reasons.

But, it is you Leviathan18 that use the client:(
12) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22114)
Posted 9 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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Is any information which shows claimed credits are modified attached to submitted results eg client version?
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Cell Processor (Message 21699)
Posted 3 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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hello,

If you\'d like to know around Cell processor more, check official information on SCEI, Cell Broadband Engine. There are plenty of documents, enough for us to understand what the Cell is like. It seems worthwhile to read and study them for those who are going to write or optimise applications on the CPU.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Cell Processor (Message 21559)
Posted 1 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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By the way,
Sony could actually use it as a way to support their \"IT\'S A COMPUTER!\" statement - having it considered a computer instead of a console is a HUGE deal for them, because it means they have to pay less taxes in the EU. They lost a case claiming the PS2 was a computer, cost them hundreds of millions.

Actually SCE\'s CEO said that PS3 was the computer, not just the game console. But because Nintendo, also a Japanese game maker, said Revolution(Wii) as the game console completely, PS3 is also being regarded as the same kind of thing. It\'s said that therefore SCE determined to install linux on PS3 to be seen it as a computer as we mean always.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Cell Processor (Message 21556)
Posted 1 Aug 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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It might be a big selling point for them: \"Use your PS3 to cure diseases when you\'re not playing games on it.\"

This will be attractive to PS3\'s consumers:)

It were good if we could test PS3 for BOINC computing. Anyway I\'ll purchase it as soon as possible, not to play games but testing it!
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Cell Processor (Message 21208)
Posted 26 Jul 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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Related with the IBM blade server, there appeared an article which comments around the Cell processor.

The expectation and topic to Cell in the blade server (written in Japanese)

I found it with the search engine just now, so there may be of course better article, but this also seems worth for you to read. The Japanese article may be hard for non-native. Try translate through Google or Altavista. But even through them it\'ll stay hard to understand:( You should search another article if you don\'t understand it at all.

I\'ll explain the point of the article.

The problem which Cell would face could be, according to the writer, so large amount of cost, money, (and hours) would be required to make applications which make the best use of the processor. It\'s sure that the use for science like BOINC projects wouldn\'t always be influenced by costs. But even the ability of it would be highest, it might not spread, if it would cost greatly us to make applications. Therefore, to spread the Cell, the keypoint is whether environment where we develop and use applications would be consolidate or not.

Spreading of a thing over the market is important if it\'s expected to be used in general. For the makers, whether the processor will spread or not is actually the most important issue. It could vanish from the market if it wouldn\'t be sold well. It would be a problem for consumers, too. The processor couldn\'t be supported if it desappered from the market. Without support or plenty of information it must be hard for developers to make the software which is applied for the architecture of the CPU.

I think, unless the environment is consolidate, BOINC projects developers wouldn\'t be willing to make applications which supports the Cell, since:
The Cell architecture differs quite much from the current standard CPU designs,
therefore,
if it\'s for a few dozens of users with one or two machines each, the time would be better spent by improving the Windows App by, say, 1%.

Here we can agree with the importance of the processors spread:)
17) Message boards : Number crunching : optimized apps. (Message 20969)
Posted 23 Jul 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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Information.
From a post on the board of ClimatePrediction, I found this link to a remarkable post on a blog.

BOINC Application Optimization: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

It\'s worth for you to read the detailed explanation of the optimisation.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Cell Processor (Message 20949)
Posted 23 Jul 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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This post on the thread that Einstein@home hosts said that:
The Cell architecture differs quite much from the current standard CPU designs, so while potentially being more powerful, much more effort is needed on the software side.

If you leave aside the synergistic processing elements (SPEs), you get a rather ordinary PPC-based machine. Given the projected price of the PS3, you\'d be better off with a bunch of Macs than PS3s.

To make use of the SPEs, thus accesing the full power of the Cells, you don\'t only need a new compiler; like e.g. with processing data in the Graphics Controller you have to implement explicit, software-controlled memory accesses / tranfers. It will take some man-months of work to implement this.

Thus for Einstein@Home this would make sense for clusters of many hundreds of identical machines, exclusively running Einstein@Home, but if it\'s for a few dozens of users with one or two machines each, the time would be better spent by improving the Windows App by, say, 1%.
(http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=3644)

The applications that are applied for the processor are yet to appear, especially on PlayStation3.
Please read the thread for more information.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Woodcrest - Anyone Tried One? (Message 20903)
Posted 22 Jul 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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This is a good indicator of the XTREME dedication that our team has for the Rosetta project. These CPU\'s where purchased for the CASP 7 push. Hats off to you NJKID.
I wish deeply you\'ll keep crunching with the monster cpus!:)

Just now I found a review of Kentsfield on the website of XtremeSystems. That\'s...um...fantastic. Very fantastic;)
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Woodcrest - Anyone Tried One? (Message 20893)
Posted 22 Jul 2006 by [B^S] suguruhirahara
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I\'m surprised that this thread is so active. I couldn\'t read those comments until I posted the last one.
they do not keep the Conroes and the Kentfield away from crunching.
Yes of cource! Actually I hope more conroes, woodcrests and kentsfield should be crunched:) It\'d be great help!

BTW I\'m just waiting for the Cell processor. It seems hard for PlayStation3 to crunch, but processor itself is badly innovative.


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