Posts by Cesium_133*

21) Message boards : Number crunching : Report long-running models here (Message 61569)
Posted 4 Jun 2009 by Profile Cesium_133*
A long-running 1.67 workunit:

5/24/2009 8:56:43 PM rosetta@home Starting epsilon_BOINC_ABRELAX_CONTROL_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST-S25-9-S3-3--epsilon-_12490_15365_0
5/24/2009 8:56:44 PM rosetta@home Starting task epsilon_BOINC_ABRELAX_CONTROL_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST-S25-9-S3-3--epsilon-_12490_15365_0 using minirosetta version 167

Here's one more to add to the corpus of aborted WU's:


Aborted 3 June 09 23:44:52 EDT (I guess 03:44:52 4 June 09 UTC)

Was 5% done after 5 hours, original estimated run time was about 3h 50m, time to completion was increasing directly 1:1 with the time spent on it, the WU was not performing, and no graphics were visible despite the mini-view's assertion to the contrary. The other Rosetta WU my PC was crunching was running fine, and BOINC had defaulted to an AI WU which was completed; it then apparently went back to the one I aborted, with no success.

Next time I might try closing and re-opening BOINC, as I only saw that suggestion after I aborted the task. I do hope someone keeps a record of all WU's aborted or otherwise; perhaps there's a (or more than 1) common thread(s) to them...
22) Message boards : Number crunching : aborting work units (Message 61441)
Posted 29 May 2009 by Profile Cesium_133*
A couple of questions that have not been addressed anywhere in my research, to which answers would be helpful:

1A. I am able to get a lot of WU's by suspending the other projects I run (I am running 4... Rosetta, Climate Prediction, Hydrogen, and AI at 85%, 7.5%, 3.75%, and 3.75% devoted time respectively). I do this sometimes for each project in order; they'll suspend, and the one left running phones home for new WU's. Is this encouragable, acceptable, tolerable, neutral, or malevolent conduct? My intentions are good... it's just that...

1B. I just found I would run short of time on some Rosetta WU's, so I aborted them before they began running or went past due during a computation. What happens to those WU's? Please tell me they don't get 86'ed and/or cause the project to suffer... are they "recycled", re-distributed, recomputed, what?

1C. If I let the scheduler send me tasks, rather than baiting it, can I be confident that I will always have work if there exists work to be done?

2. Is the scheduler programming, the code that delivers and parcels out WU's, hopelessly obsolete or actually functional? Seems to be some disagreement and nescience on that...

3. I don't merit or want credit for aborted tasks... I trust I don't get any?

4. Why, exactly, are there hard and fast deadlines for WU's? Is there some inflexible point past which BOINC will not allow a WU to remain in the wild?

Thanks for your help. I request an expert, or his designee, help me out :) Best, John :D
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Minirosetta Version 1.67 (Message 61355)
Posted 25 May 2009 by Profile Cesium_133*
I aborted these two projects:

threading_lb_test1_hb_t303__IGNORE_THE_REST_11824_2251_0; state 5
threading_lb_test1_hb_t327__IGNORE_THE_REST_11836_2238_1; state 5

I think they were both on 1.67... but in any case, they were at about 10% and 37%, respectively, and apparently stopped computing. I updated, suspended and restarted, and basically did everything but a reach-around. They just were not computing, so I aborted and started the next 2 Rosetta tasks. No problem. I don't know, just relaying the info to the community.

I haven't had many problems like this. The kicker, though, was when I tried looking at graphics on 1.67 Mini versus the advanced view, which is what I keep BOINC on most of the time, and nothing happened. It locked up and then closed. Nothing to be seen... Cesium...
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Newbie Q&A, if you're new, have a view! (Message 61243)
Posted 17 May 2009 by Profile Cesium_133*
[b]A couple of times recently, my CPU essentially failed to follow its commands, set up through BOINC settings, to run full-out. I have a 2-chip setup, and one was running as it should; the other was hardly running. After re-starting the whole system, I got it back to normal, but what would cause BOINC to simply not follow its instructions? I checked all the settings both in the client and for each of my projects, and they were normal and correct as always...
25) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Join 'Democratic Party' Team (Message 60788)
Posted 23 Apr 2009 by Profile Cesium_133*
My biggist problem with the outright lie about fetal stem cell research comes from people coming at it from politics... (claims of) "Here's the future for cures, people will be able to walk again." These claims were made for political gain based on a lie.

Based on a lie and built on a foundation of quicksand. The greatest scientific sophistry of the young 21st century is this macabre joke of using aborted babies' stem cells to see if mayyyybe we can coax spinal tissue or neurons or whatever from them, like Frankenstein might try. Nothing close to a usable amount of tissue has yet been created from these cells, or any other kind of stem cells, for that matter (though umbilical and adult cells seem to show more promise). Everything touted about these cells is speculation. Seems like it's a good new-age cover to legitimize abortion and making embryos for the sake of harvesting stem cells...

No one has a clue where fetal stem cell research will lead at all, and won't for 20 years.

That's optimistic. Richard Nixon declared war on cancer c. 1971, and we're now using DC to -try- to advance what so far has been pretty futile research. At least we know what cancer does and (partially) how it forms. We know genes and the genome and have chemo drugs, etc. Stem cells are a fool's errand; the research done with them flies in the face of the scientific method. Everyone studying them or supporting the research assumes something good will come from them and is working (or reasoning) backward from that conclusion, rather than just looking at them and experimenting without making the result a foregone conclusion. And they're using murdered babies, too...

-Real- scientists are getting results right now in adult stem cell research. To put out bad science, to blatantly lie about things is one thing. If you want a political team, it's fine by me. But I will not let a blatant lie go by and not say something.

Neither will I. I join you. If you want to use fetal/embryonic stem cells, use the ones from miscarriages or stillbirths. Abortion is already murder, and that puts those stem cells off limits (or should). We'd never condone using stem cells from the bodies of exectued Chinese prisoners, many of whom are innocent and thus are homicides. So why will we legitimize the execution of the unborn? We ought to be trying abortionists for their shot at the hangman's noose, not indirectly lauding their horrors by using the byproducts of their own insane "medicine".

Think about what kind of snake oil someone's trying to sell for his own purposes. Telling people they are staying in their wheelchairs because Bush does not support fetal stem cell research, and top it off by not mentioning it is federal dollars not being used. Any private company can do the research.
Notice that no private company wants to pour millions into this... good reason for that.

All politics as we know it is snake oil, especially when the emotions come into play. Certain factions of our political system love to play to the emotions, as they seem always to trump reason and fact. You don't put Barbra Streisand on a platform and have her tell people that Clinton should not be impeached if you're using a fact-based approach to argument.

We may see federal money used for this quackery, even with us running a $1T deficit- a fact the press loves to ignore. Indeed, private companies will not touch this hand grenade... they have ethics, for the most part, while the government has nothing but the temerity to be as it is. They also know that throwing $10M, $20M, $100M at something without a guarantee of -anything- is bad business sense. The feds don't care about that... they just love spending money and feeling important.

Put the federal (research dollars) into programs like this... that show real promise. Stop playing stupid, irresponsible political games with people's lives, which is what I call misdirecting resources better used on programs getting results now.

If the feds put their unused flops into what we're doing, we could get 100x more done, if not more. Federal PC's would be crunching so much that Rosetta and others would have to come out with mew WU's constantly just to keep up. We'd have these diseases cured, or at least under control. Nope, we'd rather just play politics...
26) Message boards : Rosetta@home Science : Rosetta@home Web Site Translations (Message 60784)
Posted 23 Apr 2009 by Profile Cesium_133*
I have an advanced knowledge of Latin, and would be more than willing to translate whatever is translatable into that wonderful language. Don't think I'm nuts: Vatican City still uses Latin, and many people in Italy (esp. the 18-30 crowd) are taking up Latin as a fun hobby/coffee table pastime. It could be a great thing for any HS/college student taking Latin who wants to contribute to this great project.

I would be obliged if someone in the know could tell me how I might go about doing this. I saw something about .po files and such, but the last post to this thread was over a year ago; I would appreciate current info as to what to get, how to get it, and where to post it... thanks, John (cesium_133)
27) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : New Nano-Tech Treatment? (Message 60065)
Posted 10 Mar 2009 by Profile Cesium_133*
Check this one from the BBC out, fellow crunchers:

Seems that nano-technology against cancer may be soon a-comin' to a research facility near you. In theory, it sounds like a Godsend; we'll see... Cesium...

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