Posts by Astro

1) Message boards : Number crunching : Supressing error dialog box (Message 52614)
Posted 19 Apr 2008 by Astro
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I can't swear to it, but installing boinc as a service and NOT having the manager load at startup might do it. (it's been a while since I played with windows service installs)
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory and page file (Message 52607)
Posted 19 Apr 2008 by Astro
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My "switch between applications" setting is 600 minutes (10 hours) so I finish nearly all wus which start and there's NO switching.

have fun

tony
3) Message boards : Number crunching : How many people are crunching Rosetta? (Message 52504)
Posted 16 Apr 2008 by Astro
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Paul did more than most know. He developed and implemented the "unofficial Boinc Wiki" on his own. He funded the site and solely developed content until it was roughly 1200 web pages in size. Some time after that he invited others to contribute since the scope and size of the wiki had become unmanageable for just one person to keep it up to date (especially considering the frequency of boinc version changes). Even though Paul felt the need to leave, he didn't just take his ball (the wiki) and go home. He posted it for any to download (I have a full copy) and attempt to continue on. IMO the whole boinc community owes Paul much more than he'll ever get.

I also have never seen Paul intentionally misrepresent, twist the shape of, or alter the truth.

tony
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Plot of runtime vs. credit grant (Message 52465)
Posted 15 Apr 2008 by Astro
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Here's a group from when I had a 1 hour run time pref (many of the columns have been cut out since they don't pertain to your question. PM and I can send you the full .xls version). The word I should have used was "decoy", not "model" in my previous post...oops.



C/H is Claimed/hour
G/H is Granted/hour
CC/decoy is Claimed Credit/decoy
GC/decoy is Granted credit/decoy

this data is from my AMD64 X2 6000 using 64b linux (with 32b linux app), but this shouldn't matter to your question.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Plot of runtime vs. credit grant (Message 52464)
Posted 15 Apr 2008 by Astro
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HI Paul,

It won't waste a second. It's pretty smart. It will make best efforts to end a run "near" your requested "run time". Generally it won't run past by much, but will end earlier. Your example is correct. If it knows it can't get that third one done, it just won't start it, and will end the run after the second model is complete. Gimme a minute and I'll post a chart showing my run times. (if I can switch back to windows and find the chart).

tony
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Are beta testing? Or working? (Message 52190)
Posted 30 Mar 2008 by Astro
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HI Paul,

don't write this in stone, but from my understanding their "Ralph" (rosetta alpha) project is the site for beta/alpha testing applications. The word "Beta" in the wu name is just a name and nothing more from their regular "production" run. Or perhaps it not the app that's being "beta" tested but the wu type itself. Anyway, it's a fair enough question that I don't have a definite answer for.

tony

[edit]OK I just spent the time from my last post to this attempting to find the one post which I kind of think I remember seeing on this, without success.[/edit]
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Best operating system for crunching (Message 51696)
Posted 27 Feb 2008 by Astro
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here's the last post with LOTS of charts.

Since all compared examples were wus from the same "job type" you can just look at the "cpu seconds per decoy" to tell the tale. In all but two examples, linux was faster. see the above linked charts.

OH, and UPS has left my PSU's and vid card to perculate in West Columbia SC for the last 28 hours.....GRRRRRRR Why they'd do that is beyond me, but I'm not very happy with them right now. My last big order with Newegg they(UPS) "lost" both my 20" widescreen flat panel displays. took nearly two months for Newegg to reimburse my loss.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Best operating system for crunching (Message 51670)
Posted 26 Feb 2008 by Astro
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Astro/ j2satx:

How much memory on these machines? I can see that since Linux typically uses less memory then Windows, there might be a bigger difference on a machine that is basically memory constrained when running Windows.

off the top of my head:
the AMD64 2800 clawhammer has 768M ddr400
the AMD64 3700 939 socket Sandiego 1 G ram (OCZ gold)(2x512)
the AMD64 X2 4800 939 socket has 2G OCZ enhanced latency (4x512)
the AMD64 X2 5200 AM2 socket has 2G corsair XMS2 (2x1)
the AMD64 X2 6000 AM2 socket has 2G corsair XMS2 (2x1)

the 9600 black arrives tomorrow via the "big brown truck of happiness" (UPS)(4G corsair XMS2 DDR2 1066 (4x1).

note: from the 2800 up to and including the X2 4800 use winxp, the 5200 and 6000 use winxp pro 64. The 9600 will be linux only.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Best operating system for crunching (Message 51668)
Posted 26 Feb 2008 by Astro
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I ran some tests on my "dual boot" machines and the results are that linux is 18.95% faster than windows using the same machines, same hardware, but just switching operating systems. You can view the test in this thread note: all my test machines are AMD.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Some pcs take forever to report...why? (Message 51598)
Posted 24 Feb 2008 by Astro
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RAC - recent average credit. This is a link to the multi thousands of page Boinc Wiki. Many other answers can be found there using the search box.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Some pcs take forever to report...why? (Message 51589)
Posted 24 Feb 2008 by Astro
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I'm not sure I'm answering your question properly.

"user activity" is determined by mouse or keyboard activity and that activates a timer. so for example, if mouse if moved, boinc sees the user as "active" for X minutes. (I think it's 3 minutes)

12) Message boards : Number crunching : Some pcs take forever to report...why? (Message 51584)
Posted 24 Feb 2008 by Astro
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Hi, There's two different places to set up your "preferences". You can do so from the website, or you can set preferences locally via the boinc manager "advanced" tab. If you set them "locally", then this "over rides the web based setting. If you go to "advanced", "preferences" and "clear" the local prefs, then it'll reset to the web based settings.

It appears one of them is set to "suspend computation" when the user is "active".

Also, "reporting" is a function of your cache preferences. Perhaps that one machine is set to connect less often than .1 hours (I think it's days, not hours, but you might have performed the math and entered 1/240th of a day)

good luck

tony
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Rosetta version 5.93 (Message 51087)
Posted 30 Jan 2008 by Astro
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I'm not sure what to think. Complaints about the 2h4o wus started atleast 5 days ago. I ran a test on one of mine starting 5 days ago, which leaves 3 full business days and two weekend days for management to make a statement. I've seen or heard nothing. How often do they monitor these boards? Are they of any importance? I'm feeling a bit like any "beta" tests or any other tests are really a waste of our man hours and CPU Seconds. Perhaps, I'll be considered impatient...hmmmm....How long must one wait before one isn't considered as such???

I don't know. I know I've stopped ALL rosetta work. It really isn't what I wanted, but I don't wanna "Pi**" away my CPU time for nothing when it might be spent more wisely. (I.E if my machines are just going to use electricity without scientific benefit, what's the point of leaving them on)

tony

I started at 200K and was shooting for 600K before stopping, but I guess 350K is OK. If that's what they want.(well, would stay 350K but I loaned out a machine before I knew the score, so I have to await it's return before I remove it.)
14) Message boards : Number crunching : 64 Bit Client? Is it really x64? (Message 51060)
Posted 29 Jan 2008 by Astro
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Prior to them slapping that label on a 32b app. If you had 64b and requested work, you'd get "there's no work for that platform", so it's a cheat to allow 64b OSes to participate.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Rosetta version 5.93 (Message 51052)
Posted 28 Jan 2008 by Astro
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I aborted them all as well, Still waiting on my 480 missing credits too...

I wonder when the staff gets in to work? These have really got to be affecting the total rate of return (i.e work done).
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Rosetta version 5.93 (Message 51000)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Astro
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resultid=135831728

CPU time 127601.71875 (35.44 HOURS)
Claimed credit 501.989998586804
Granted credit 20

Mod Sense. I'm pretty sure there's something wrong here. Anyone else spot the problem???? It's not like this issue wasn't posted about early enough on Friday for someone at the project to comment upon it.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Rosetta version 5.93 (Message 50997)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Astro
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sorry for the triple-post. I had some problems with my connection.

up to 461 credits now. LOL

Say, you do know that you can "edit" your posted messages as long as you do so within 60 min of the original post. You should see an "edit" box on each of your previous posts. You could (only if you wanna) delete everything and just put "deleted" or some other message into all but the intended one. At that point a nice moderator might come along and hide those extra posts. Anyway, just wanted you to know. Hope you enjoy the rest of the weekend

32:49:08 cpu time, 99.494% complete with 00:09:57 remaining.

[edit] made a progress chart. Given the curve, I doubt it'll ever finish.

18) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Rosetta version 5.93 (Message 50991)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Astro
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Strange. hedera received 88 of his 98 claimed for his watchdog ended task resultid=135513724. I wonder what the difference was?
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Rosetta version 5.93 (Message 50988)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Astro
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[Edit] I went to 12 hours "run time pref", so hopefully it'll finish in the next 19 hours.


You really are on a mission to find out how long it will take.
Go for it, Astro!

Someone's got to be the guinea pig. "show me the little plastic wheel, and I'll take her for a spin".

I'll take this posting opportunity for an update:

CPU time 30:21:01, 99.453% complete, 00:09:56 remaining, using the benchmark claiming method, this wu is worth 429.75 credits so far. I wonder....
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Rosetta version 5.93 (Message 50986)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Astro
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Here's an updated pic taken 17 hours + later(from the first pic posted) of the same wu. I changed my runtime pref to 8 last nite, but that only gets me up to 32 hours before the watchdog kicks in. Perhaps I'll go to 12 hour pref so it'll be able to finish normally as long as it doesn't take more than "48 HOURS to do ONE decoy" on a Mobile AMD64 3700 w/1 G ram. Boy, If the others I have in cache take anywhere near this long....all my Boincsimap, Einstein, and the rest of my rosetta will be past the deadline.

Also notice the rate of completion seems to be continually slowing (atleast I assume so) since it's only progressed .3% overnite while I slept, instead of the .1%/hour I was seeing. At 28 + hours, this decoy has already taken more than 6 times it's previous "longest decoy".




[Edit] I went to 12 hours "run time pref", so hopefully it'll finish in the next 19 hours.


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