Posts by yoerik

21) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Are we running out of work? (Message 97510)
Posted 23 Jun 2020 by Profile yoerik
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yes, no idea when it could come back. If you want to continue running good science, you can go to https://worldcommunitygrid.org/. OpenPandemics has millions of WU available to fight COVID. You can always return here when the queue of tasks stabilize.
22) Message boards : Number crunching : no new tasks? (Message 97508)
Posted 23 Jun 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Neither one of you guys would do well in the days before Boinc, Seti the ONLY Project, went down for over a week because someone stole the copper phone lines, yes dialup days, and NO ONE from Seti said one word until they came back online after the phone company replaced the line. YES the website was still running but NO communications what so ever from them to us crunchers, they DID tell a few users individually and that's how we all found out. Even later during it's run when Seti reissued the exact same workunits over and over and over again Seti never said a thing until they got caught and after denying it for weeks finally admitted it was because 'they ran out of workunits and thought people would leave the project if they didn't have workunits to crunch'. NO the reissued workunits were NOT reprocessed by the Project, the results were thrown away and the workunits were sent out again and again. They did eventually apologize but it wasseen asweakand waaaay too late.

Rosetta is dependant on outside vendors to supply tasks to them, when that doesn't happen they run out of tasks. One thing to know though is within a few days they always get new workunits again. So give it time guys and crunch for some other Boinc project right now. This is NOT a once in a lifetime thing for them, no they have no clue it's about to happen and no they have no clue when the units will flow again. World Community Grid has LOTS of their Open Pandemic COVID-19 workunits available to crunch in the meantime.


and that's fair - but we're not in the age of dialup anymore. It's more than reasonable to expect some level of communication from the project that we are spending time, money and resources to support. I'm not whining, or demanding for more tasks. I specifically said I'm glad that they're not wasting resources by giving us bad WUs, multiple times across the forums.
But - there hasn't been a news posting since early May - it's nearly July. That seems to be par for the course for Rosetta, at a glimpse of past news threads - but it is more than reasonable to ask for a few sentences a month to keep us up to date on the project's work - put out an announcement to the clients so that non-forum users (which there are clearly plenty) can be aware of the shortage without panicking when they suddenly stop getting tasks. Not everyone here is a computer expert - I'm certainly not. But I also know that stringing a few sentences together isn't difficult.

I was ridiculed here before during the last potential shortage in the beginning of May. It is certainly not my intention to whine or complain - and I'm sorry if I'm coming off that way, but what OP asks for - and what other users asked for in the news post I linked prior - is not much to ask. It takes a minute of one person's time to keep us informed - and the project is either unaware or unwilling of how important communication is, especially when it requires such little effort.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : no new tasks? (Message 97501)
Posted 22 Jun 2020 by Profile yoerik
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I hate to complain - but several volunteers have raised issue with the lack of communication from the project to us, for a while now.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=13533&postid=96797

It's good that only work that helps the project(s) is ran, but it's not good to run out of WUs completely without notice.

I hate continuing to compare them to WCG - their communication isn't much better, but shortages on subprojects are noted well in advance.
24) Message boards : News : Rosetta's role in fighting coronavirus (Message 97358)
Posted 13 Jun 2020 by Profile yoerik
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I've noticed that all of my computers have barely received any new Covid tasks for crunching during the past few days :-(
Has research in Covid been stopped by Rosetta? Please let us know.

not all COVID-19 tasks are labeled COVID-19 - so unless it is clearly labelled for us lay people to understand - we have no way of 100% knowing which ones are COVID related, and which ones aren't.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (Message 97196)
Posted 3 Jun 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Good choice. I only found 7.16.3 and while it has some extra settings to use, it seems to fall out of memory a lot and even when it's running it seems to suspend itself when it's not the foreground task.
Not recommended at all. Having adjusted my Android settings, I'm thinking of downgrading again

It's working perfectly on my phone. Only one tiny problem - if you expand a task for details, you cannot unexpand it. But so what, I can just select "tasks" view again and it collapses them.

I'd much rather use the very latest version (Beta or not) of every program.

But you would probably be fine downgrading to the official version now, since LHC and Rosetta (and presumably Numberfields) have fixed it at their end.

I don't know if being on Android 9 here makes a difference.
I'll downgrade eventually once I find the time and inclination.
While I was having problems with Rosetta wrt the security cert I switched over to WCG and grabbed a whole load of tasks which I'm now trying to work through, but the constant falling out of memory is taking an age. It's taking 18hrs of wall clock time to get 12hrs of CPU time for WCG tasks that should only be taking 3 or 4hrs to complete.
It's just a mess for everything here

feel free to post in the WCG forums to help figure out what's going on. Some projects on the grid vary in WU size.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (Message 97029)
Posted 31 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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I analyzed the ca-bundle.crt file and found out that AddTrust External Root certificate expired today.
I removed the expired certificate part from the file and now everything works normal for me again.

Here is a guide to a quick fix:
Backup all your sensitive data first, This is only tested on 1 computer so far.
Exit BOINC
Open file manager and go to C:ProgramFilesBOINC or wherever you have installed BOINC.
Make a backup copy of ca-bundle.crt just in case my instuctions screw up something.
Right click on ca-bundle.crt and open it with Notepad
Scroll down to AddTrust External Root, Below this is the expired certificate.
Delete everything from -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- to -----END CERTIFICATE----- including the begin and end lines.
Save the file
Start BOINC and try again.

Please let me know if this works or not.


This worked fine for me, R@H is uploading and downloading again. THANK YOU Gylling!

I did the following (Windows 10):
run command prompt as administrator
cd "/Program Files/BOINC" (using backslashes, which I can't seem to make display OK)
copy ca-bundle.crt ca-bundle.crt.bak
notepad ca-bundle.crt
Ctrl+F External
Delete the following:
AddTrust External Root
======================
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----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-----END CERTIFICATE-----

Save and exit Notepad
Close command prompt
Go to BOINC Manager
Suspend Rosetta@Home project
Close BOINC Manager
Reopen BOINC Manager
Resume Rosetta@Home project
Select Tools, Retry Pending Transfers from menu (advanced view active - you may need to select View, Advanced View first)[/code]


instead of using command prompt (which I found wasn't working for me, probably did something wrong but *shrug*
I instead used Properties - Security - and gave users full control over that file. Used notepad to edit and could save no issue.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : If You Don't Know Where to Put it, Post it here. (Message 96920)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Greetings,

I don't know that Rosetta would be vulnerable or not. I found this on a website and thought I would post it here for others to read.

Have a great day! :)

Siran


I would not trust that news source as far as I could throw it.

Thanks for you opinion.

I appreciate that you're concerned, - all due respect - but that is not a trustworthy news source to transmit such information. It has a clear right wing, US Republican lean. It's literally called "liberty news".

TLDR: Not trying to call you out, but that's not a good source to use, to share the underlying headline with us.

I happen to be conservative which puts me on the right. Again, thanks for your opinion. :)

That's your right, but I try to avoid clearly biased sources on all sides of the debate.

I hope we can move on from this and focus on what matters here - Rosetta. Have a great day.

Hi Yoerik,

Yeah, ok, you're from Canada. Nice place by the way. Loved travelling through and visiting there many years ago and many times.

I just recently ran into a "friend", from a long time ago, that transplanted from London to Vancouver. She pretty much had the same attitude. :(

Everyone has their own opinions and are entitled to them. From now on if I see something that may have a bearing on Rosetta, I will endeavor to locate a more "independent source" before posting anything here. :)

Have a great day! :)

Siran

again - no disrespect meant. I'd just rather leave politics out of science - something that should not need to be political.
28) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : New volunteer with a Mac question... (Message 96854)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
Hi all,
New BOINC user. I get computational errors. Tried Rosetta and WCG.
I use BOINC 7,2,42 and xwWidgets 2,8,10. I run macOS 10,6,8. For now, a newer os is not an option due to the hardware (mini mac 2007)
Any wise words?
Thanks
Melissa

what BOINC version are you using?

The latest is 7.16.5
29) Message boards : Number crunching : If You Don't Know Where to Put it, Post it here. (Message 96853)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
Greetings,

I don't know that Rosetta would be vulnerable or not. I found this on a website and thought I would post it here for others to read.

Have a great day! :)

Siran


I would not trust that news source as far as I could throw it.

Thanks for you opinion.

I appreciate that you're concerned, - all due respect - but that is not a trustworthy news source to transmit such information. It has a clear right wing, US Republican lean. It's literally called "liberty news".

TLDR: Not trying to call you out, but that's not a good source to use, to share the underlying headline with us.

I happen to be conservative which puts me on the right. Again, thanks for your opinion. :)

That's your right, but I try to avoid clearly biased sources on all sides of the debate.

I hope we can move on from this and focus on what matters here - Rosetta. Have a great day.
30) Message boards : Number crunching : If You Don't Know Where to Put it, Post it here. (Message 96852)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
Greetings,

I don't know that Rosetta would be vulnerable or not. I found this on a website and thought I would post it here for others to read.

Have a great day! :)

Siran


I would not trust that news source as far as I could throw it.

Thanks for you opinion.

I appreciate that you're concerned, - all due respect - but that is not a trustworthy news source to transmit such information. It has a clear right wing, US Republican lean. It's literally called "liberty news".

TLDR: Not trying to call you out, but that's not a good source to use, to share the underlying headline with us.


Not going to jump in regarding that website, but if you go to the actual source (FBI Press release) then you can form your own opinion. Link: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/peoples-republic-of-china-prc-targeting-of-covid-19-research-organizations

Thanks for a more independent source.
31) Message boards : News : Rosetta's role in fighting coronavirus (Message 96797)
Posted 26 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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it's hard to fathom. You and I are both familiar with WCG's efforts to keep us up to date - it takes minimal effort to keep us informed. The lack of this communication as a newer volunteer is concerning.

I've taken steps to reduce my contribution to Rosetta - I will crunch WCG full time if this communication issue continues into next month. I just cannot justify a higher electricity bill for a project that doesn't have the will to issue the simplest of updates. It's almost insulting.
32) Message boards : Number crunching : BitDefender Ransomeware False Positives (Message 96782)
Posted 25 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
one of my computers also had an issue with bitdefender. I also had to exempt it. Rip.
33) Message boards : News : Rosetta's role in fighting coronavirus (Message 96758)
Posted 24 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
Yep. I check this thread every 2-3 days just to see if anything new is posted. Bit of a let-down that there was a lot of communication early on, and now radio silence for a while.


It's not entitled to ask to be kept informed - it's disappointing that we have to do more work to find the latest news, than it would take for them to share that news here.
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Added WCG to the mix; no longer receiving R@H tasks (Message 96644)
Posted 20 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
I've been crunching Rosetta@Home successfully for months.
I recently added World Community Grid (WCG) to my BOINC manager, showing 50% priority.
Rosetta@Home also showed 50% priority.
Everything was good... WCG had 50% of my machine and R@H had 50% of my machine regarding task load.

But, I checked my tasks on the R@h site just now and noticed that all my R@H stats were zero - nothing completed, nothing being processed...
Then I went to my computer and I see that it's ALL WCG tasks running now. No R@H.
The log shows for R@H: "Not requesting tasks: don't need (CPU: not highest priority project; NVIDIA GPU) when I try a manual update.

I've successfully run a mix of projects before without any special intervention on my part.
What has gone wrong?

Thanks.


Try limiting the number of WCG tasks using device profiles. https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/device/viewDevices.do

It'll prevent WCG from overfilling your queue in computation preferences.
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Large numbers of tasks aborted by project killing CPU performance (Message 96641)
Posted 20 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
uhh reduce the queue in your computation settings?
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta now abandonware? (Message 96549)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
Project -> News & Articles about Rosetta
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/rah/rah_news_media.php

to be fair - the last article listed there is from 2017. That's not up to date, in any sense of the term.


The last article detailing Rosetta in a journal was April 2nd - ok, maybe not daily but peer review is not daily :-

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_forum.php?id=202


Huh?

No clue what you're talking about. The OP is upset about a lack of communication from the project to us. This has nothing to do with peer-reviewed articles being published by the project, in a renowned medical journal. Mod.Sense pointed to the "News and Articles about Rosetta" Tab - I pointed out that the section they're pointing to is over 2 years out of date. Another argument about that is - this is not communication from the project to us volunteers, it's the news press discussing the project... making it useless to the point of this thread, even if it was up to date.

This is a similar conversation that's started here:
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=13533&postid=96439
about the lack of communication between the project, and the volunteers - which is a fair conversation to have. Does this alleviate the apparent confusion?


And I pointed to the news section of this very forum to show that the project HAVE been communicating to US what the project has achieved far more recently than the 2017 you claim to be the last communication from them.

oh no. I'm not saying the project hasn't communicated since 2017.

I'm saying the place Mod.Sense pointed to isn't communication with us for a start - another issue being that particular page has not been updated since 2017.
37) Message boards : Number crunching : If You Don't Know Where to Put it, Post it here. (Message 96528)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
Greetings,

I don't know that Rosetta would be vulnerable or not. I found this on a website and thought I would post it here for others to read.

Have a great day! :)

Siran


I would not trust that news source as far as I could throw it.

Thanks for you opinion.

I appreciate that you're concerned, - all due respect - but that is not a trustworthy news source to transmit such information. It has a clear right wing, US Republican lean. It's literally called "liberty news".

TLDR: Not trying to call you out, but that's not a good source to use, to share the underlying headline with us.
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta now abandonware? (Message 96527)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
The OP also said "No way to know what you've contributed to". Peer reviewed papers are a major grouping of things they've contributed to.

All due respect - I'm not trying to start an argument - that addresses one of the several grievances that the OP was discussing. In addition, this does not change the fact that the link you provided includes none of Rosetta's publications - in fact, only news reports discussing Rosetta... which is over 2 years out of date, and the IPD's page is far more accurate https://www.ipd.uw.edu/in-the-media/ (that the page links to this URL does not fix that Rosetta's page states it's the "latest". Unless a user realizes that the IPD image is a link, they would think Rosetta hasn't made the news in over 2 years.

The work published by the Baker Lab is here: https://www.bakerlab.org/index.php/publications/
Yes, this indicates that the project is doing work. It doesn't count as a communication to us, which is the overall issue of the thread.
39) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : COVID 19 tasks released on WCG (Message 96524)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
looking forward to seeing what results from both projects.
40) Message boards : Number crunching : If You Don't Know Where to Put it, Post it here. (Message 96523)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
Post:
Greetings,

I don't know that Rosetta would be vulnerable or not. I found this on a website and thought I would post it here for others to read.

Have a great day! :)

Siran


I would not trust that news source as far as I could throw it.


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