Posts by mitrichr

21) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55869)
Posted 18 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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It looks as if I may have solved my particular problems with Rosetta by giving up BOINC screen savers. I switched to standard Windows screen savers and re-attached the three computers which I had been forced to detach from Rosetta.

The problem had been that something in Rosetta was rendering the three machines totally useless, pinning the CPU at 100% an generally making me miserable. I would get the machines back by using Task Manager and shutting down the errant application.

Once I got rid of the BOINC screen saver, everything seemed to go back too normal.

As I said, I re-attached to Rosetta, now about 36 hours ago. No machine has had any problems and I believe that I have results now in all four machines.

I do not remember seeing any discussion here or screen savers. Maybe I just missed something.

Let me say that I know that there are different philosophical positions on using the screen savers. I favor using them, many of them let me know what is going on in the 10 or so projects to which I am attached with a quick glance at the monitor.

Any comments?

>>RSM
22) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55657)
Posted 9 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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Not clear on "Leave applications in memory while suspended?". Mine are Yes, should I switch to no and try again?

>>RSM
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55650)
Posted 9 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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I forgot to note-

Sid said earlier that there are only about 10 people complaining among all the folks running Rosetta.

That 10 people may represent 10,000 who are having trouble, getting disillusioned and detaching. Not everyone with a problem comes here. Also, seeing all of the technical terminology, many might be put off.

>>RSM
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55625)
Posted 9 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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[quote]Well good luck with your other projects. I see your also on my second project.

[quote]

Sorry, I do not understand, what do you mean "...my second project...."?

>>RSM
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55621)
Posted 8 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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Greg-

I was forced to detach on three computers, and did so probably about 7-10 days ago. I just could not keep minding Rosetta when I have work to do, stuff to read, or I am out cycling or hiking. That is a burden I can not assume. I have a bunch of projects on which I work, I have a job, etc.

I am surprised you are seeing anything current on two machines, except of course that I did not detach as much as 30 days ago.

>>RSM
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55615)
Posted 8 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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Sid-

Please know that I mean no disrespect. My only concern is to be able to run Rosetta on all four of my machines as I did previously. Right now, I have one XP which has had nary a problem and continues to crunch whatever comes from Rosetta. I have an almost identical XP machine and two Core-2-Duo's that are off the project.

I think that Rosetta might be the single most important project at BOINC.

But I can not leave machines on the project when WU's totally freeze the computer and no other crunching on other projects or other work that I do can not go forward.

So, I am going to bow out of the debate. I hope that I will see notice of resolution in the RSS feed so that I can continue work which I deem very valuable.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55605)
Posted 8 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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Greg-

Surely, I can not answer your question. But the fact is, my experience is typical. People are experiencing this problem on some machines and not on others, so it seems to me that the problem lies with the project.

It behooves the project managers to get this figured out. Rosetta is losing crunchers every day.

This is not just a WU freezing or anything like that. When the problem occurs, it freezes the whole computer necessitating a trip to Task Manager to clear out the process.

>>RSM

so how is it that my single machine with 2 cores and some corsair memroy runs just fine and your multitude of machines does not?

With all due respect, this business of checking individual computer symptoms to root out this problem is just so much ca-ca.

I am running 8 projects, 9 projects, and 4 projects, respectively, on the computers having difficulty with Rosetta. I suspect that many others experiencing the problems are doing much the same.

To suspect any given machine, when all of the other projects on these machines are doing fine, especially and including all those who, like myself, find the screen savers useful, is silly.

The problem lies solely with the project. The managers of the project ought to realize this by now, and pull this away. That way, those of us who have been loyally trying to do our best for what is arguably the most important project at BOINC could proceed with this very valuable work. Instead, what they are doing is earning the enmity of some people who will detach and never come back.

>>RSM







28) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55604)
Posted 8 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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Greg-

Surely, I can not answer your question. But the fact is, my experience is typical. People are experiencing this problem on some machines and not on others, so it seems to me that the problem lies with the project.

It behooves the project managers to get this figured out. Rosetta is losing crunchers every day.

This is not just a WU freezing or anything like that. When the problem occurs, it freezes the whole computer necessitating a trip to Task Manager to clear out the process.

>>RSM

so how is it that my single machine with 2 cores and some corsair memroy runs just fine and your multitude of machines does not?

With all due respect, this business of checking individual computer symptoms to root out this problem is just so much ca-ca.

I am running 8 projects, 9 projects, and 4 projects, respectively, on the computers having difficulty with Rosetta. I suspect that many others experiencing the problems are doing much the same.

To suspect any given machine, when all of the other projects on these machines are doing fine, especially and including all those who, like myself, find the screen savers useful, is silly.

The problem lies solely with the project. The managers of the project ought to realize this by now, and pull this away. That way, those of us who have been loyally trying to do our best for what is arguably the most important project at BOINC could proceed with this very valuable work. Instead, what they are doing is earning the enmity of some people who will detach and never come back.

>>RSM







29) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55590)
Posted 7 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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With all due respect, this business of checking individual computer symptoms to root out this problem is just so much ca-ca.

I am running 8 projects, 9 projects, and 4 projects, respectively, on the computers having difficulty with Rosetta. I suspect that many others experiencing the problems are doing much the same.

To suspect any given machine, when all of the other projects on these machines are doing fine, especially and including all those who, like myself, find the screen savers useful, is silly.

The problem lies solely with the project. The managers of the project ought to realize this by now, and pull this away. That way, those of us who have been loyally trying to do our best for what is arguably the most important project at BOINC could proceed with this very valuable work. Instead, what they are doing is earning the enmity of some people who will detach and never come back.

>>RSM





30) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55586)
Posted 6 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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Those of you who are having problems with minirosetta v1.32 may want to add a description of the machine where you were running it when it had problems in case the problem appears only on specific types of machines.

For example, I don't remember any problems recently; I'm running BOINC 5.10.45 under 32-bit Vista SP1 on an HP Compaq Presario SR5125CL PC with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3600+ 1.90 GHz processor with 2 GB memory.


With Rosetta problems,I am running two Core-2-Duo Vista machines with 2 gig of DRAM, and one Intel PIII machine with 512 megs of DRAM.

With no problem, one Intel PIII with 512 megs of DRAM.

Go figure!

>>RSM
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55536)
Posted 4 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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Kudos to Jim Clark for simply and eloquently explaining the pain.

>>RSM
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55516)
Posted 4 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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I don't understand how you guys are getting failures so often.
I am crunching stuff with the h1_0953.45.xxxx and get no failures at all.
Only the Psp stuff, but that is just an annoyance. I still get the usual 80-90 claimed and 130-160 granted credit all the time. I run windows xp home with sp3 and a intel dual core with some good memory and I just chug along no problems.


In spite of everything, I do have one machine, a PIII with 512 megs of DRAM and a I gig processor which has kept sailing right along in Rosetta.

So, that is compared to my three machines, 2 Core 2 Duo machines and 1 PIII that have failed to run this bugger.

I am delighted for those who are having no problems; but you can tell from this thread that things are no going well.

>>RSM
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55508)
Posted 3 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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[quote]Rest assured that the Project Team does review and react to the posts in these "problems with..." threads.


Well, I sure would like to be back crunching for Rosetta.

Why can't they take this problem process and put it into Ralph and ask for volunteers? That would let those of us who just want to run WU's not need to constantly baby this thing along.

>>RSM

34) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55461)
Posted 1 Sep 2008 by mitrichr
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I just re-attached a PIII and a Core 2 Duo, two machines which I had previously used to crunch for Rosetta. They both got WU's within minutes. After the WU started on each machine, I let it run as long as it stayed active. Within about seven minutes, each machine froze. So, I detached both again.

>>RSM
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55404)
Posted 30 Aug 2008 by mitrichr
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So, here is the deal:

People are detaching from Rosetta, even though it may be the single most important project at BOINC. We have no choice but to endure these problems, or detach, because this mini runs along with what else is going.

Detach this buggy process from the rest of Rosetta, Run it in Ralph@home. Get some volunteers to run it if you can not find the problems in the lab, and let us get back to crunching for Rosetta.

If in fact you get it to run properly, put the news in the RSS feed, so we know it is safe to go back in the water.

>>RSM
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55384)
Posted 29 Aug 2008 by mitrichr
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The graphic is freezing, meaning, I assume, that the WU is a dead fish. {...}


Not necessarily. Try this workaround.


David-

Yes, I know, that was what I had been doing and did not want to.

>>RSM
37) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55382)
Posted 29 Aug 2008 by mitrichr
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The graphic is freezing, meaning, I assume, that the WU is a dead fish. {...}


Not necessarily. Try this workaround.


David-

Yes, I know, that was what I had been doing and did not want to.

>>RSM
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55381)
Posted 29 Aug 2008 by mitrichr
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The graphic is freezing, meaning, I assume, that the WU is a dead fish. {...}


Not necessarily. Try this workaround.


David-

Yes, I know, that was what I had been doing and did not want to.

>>RSM
39) Message boards : Number crunching : forced to detach on my two fast machines (Message 55270)
Posted 25 Aug 2008 by mitrichr
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BTW, I recommend upgrading your laptop CPU to a 9xxx or 8xxx CPU's with 45nm tech. they run much cooler and WAY faster.


Which laptop?

>>RSM
[/quote]

Hmmm... maybe it isn't a laptop :D

This host: http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=711824

has a T7200 cpu... which I believe it's a mobile CPU. (My laptop came with a T7xxx CPU)[/quote]

I have four machines running: Laptop, LaptopII, Desktop, and DesktopII. The T7200 is a 2 gig Core 2 Duo, in LaptopII, one of the machnes which I detached. D= Desktop, a PIII machine which is running Rosetta with so far no
problems.

But, and this means I am not sure your were responding to me, BOINC has them as I named them above, while I do refer to them in correspondence with my I/T sensei as D, DII, L, and LII.

>>RSM
40) Message boards : Number crunching : forced to detach on my two fast machines (Message 55257)
Posted 24 Aug 2008 by mitrichr
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[/quote]
BTW, I recommend upgrading your laptop CPU to a 9xxx or 8xxx CPU's with 45nm tech. they run much cooler and WAY faster.[/quote]

Which laptop?

>>RSM


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