Posts by Pepo

21) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.34 bug thread (Message 56093)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Pepo
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I've had a couple of tasks that refuse to suspend, both hombench tasks on 1.34.

I manually suspend the task (and BOINC reports Task Suspended) or the task is "Waiting to Run" and the task continues to run.

It happens.

Peter
22) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Rosetta version 5.98 (Message 56091)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Pepo
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I asked this question awhile back, and I believe the answer was that the new boinc managers do not support the graphics application of 5.98.

(I'm using Boinc 6.2.19 on Windows XP)

When I press the graphics button in the main view, no graphics will show up, but the button itself disappears, so that I'm unable to see any graphics at all. Strange bug/issue.


Nearly. They still do, but not when BOINC is installed in the protected mode (as a service).

But still, it is strange that the button was initially available for a click.

Peter
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.34 bug thread (Message 56090)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Pepo
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restarting task?

2008-09-29 17:57:19|rosetta@home|Restarting task hombench_mtyka_foldcst_boinc_test3_foldcst_simple_t315___4592_834_0 using minirosetta version 134
2008-09-29 18:58:04|rosetta@home|Restarting task hombench_mtyka_foldcst_boinc_test3_foldcst_simple_t315___4592_834_0 using minirosetta version 134
2008-09-29 20:06:08|rosetta@home|Restarting task hombench_mtyka_foldcst_boinc_test3_foldcst_simple_t315___4592_834_0 using minirosetta version 134
2008-09-29 21:00:29|rosetta@home|Restarting task hombench_mtyka_foldcst_boinc_test3_foldcst_simple_t315___4592_834_0 using minirosetta version 134


What is it?

The task is being restarted each one hour. Your cpu_run_time_pref seems to be 3 hours, so it is probably something different.

The task is still not reported. Could you please try to add <cpu_sched> and/or <cpu_sched_debug> (and possibly also <task_debug>?) to your cc_config.xml and let the client reread it (BOINC Mgr / Advanced / Read config file) without stopping the client?

Peter
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Too Many Rosetta Tasks Running (Message 56084)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Pepo
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It happens (rarely) with some projects' tasks.

If you don't mind, you can let the task run, it will usually finish crunching at some later point. By killing it you are risking loosing the whole crunched work, but it depends. With restarting the client you're on the safer side. (If the task remains running much more than 30 seconds after stopping the client, then yes, you could have safely killed it :-)

Peter
25) Questions and Answers : Windows : Silent/Preconfigured Install? (Message 56036)
Posted 25 Sep 2008 by Pepo
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Awesome, thanks! I will do.

You're welcome :-)

Peter
26) Questions and Answers : Windows : Silent/Preconfigured Install? (Message 56033)
Posted 25 Sep 2008 by Pepo
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Hello, is there a way to configure an installer with account information for easy roll out to multiple systems? Also is there a way to make this installer execute and either complete at the next reboot or force a reboot of the system itself?

You should better look for the answers on the BOINC_dev Message boards. How-tos for rollout on multiple system was already discussed a couple of times, you'll possibly be better served there.

Peter
27) Message boards : Number crunching : Multiple Systems, Couple weeks up, No Credit (Message 55903)
Posted 20 Sep 2008 by Pepo
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Can 9 days of ativity be called 'a Couple of Weeks'? ;-)

Could it be, that the machines are just waiting on their wingmen to get the credit granted? Probably not that long with that large farm, but without seeing the machines' tasks and knowing their settings, everyone can at most speculate...

I'm running it and wanted it to go undetected by the end users. I installed with all of the advance options unchecked.

Which options have you meant? You have possibly made the machines that stealth, that not even BOINC notices they are able to crunch?

Please check and tell about their settings of "Suspend work while computer is in use", "Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last --- minutes", "Do work only between the hours of ---", "Leave applications in memory while suspended", "Use at most xx% of CPU time", "On multiprocessors, use at most xx% of the processors / xx processors", etc.

After giving it about a week to see how the systems ran like this there were a few that worked while others apparently haven't done anything except check out a work unit or few.

Please take a look at any of your inactive computer's "Computer summary" page (like this P-III of mine) and tell the values of "% of time BOINC client is running", "While BOINC running, % of time work is allowed", "Average CPU efficiency" from the bottom of the page.

I went back and enabled the special accounts for a few of these systems, one has done a miniscual amount of work since while others I'm still waiting to see the results.

What special accounts have you meant to enable?

Peter
28) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta v1.32 bug thread (Message 55830)
Posted 17 Sep 2008 by Pepo
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MiniRosetta seems to be spawning multiple threads. I have run out of Page file several times. I see eighteen threads in process right now, and many of them are using up to 170 Meg.

Do you see it on your WinXP host 361486? Using which application? Single threads of any Windows process do not have their 'own' allocated memory (in the context described here), memory is allocated (and accessible) 'per process'. What's the total physical/virtual memory usage of the Minirosetta process? Your pagefile size?

What's up with that? How do I terminate them, short of using Task Manager to stop them one by one?

Task manager does not support terminating single threads. Are you sure you are seeing threads, not processes?

Peter
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54720)
Posted 29 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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Still can't do Ralph as I can't get into my account...

Don't you eventually have any older BOINC backup with Ralph files?

Peter
30) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54709)
Posted 28 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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Barbar is back from his holiday and posted following on Space Family's Czech forum:

Barbar wrote:
Ahoj všem, jsem zpět z dovolené. Zatím jen zběžně jsem přeběhl fóra nemám čas na vyčerpávající reakci, ale protože se na moji reakci čeká, tak alespoň stručně:

Převod týmů jsem prováděl vždy jen já a nikdo jiný ze Space Family za to nemůže. O převod týmů jsem zažádal před mým připojením ke Space Family a to jak v dávné minulosti, tak krátce před připojením ke Space Family. Vlastní převzetí týmu pak mohlo v ojedinělých případech proběhnout až po sloučení. Nikdo jiný ze Space Family tak za to nenese odpovědnost a vyjma náznaku Hadrovi to nikdo ani nevěděl. Seznam převzatých týmů nemám, ale většina jich zde snad byla již zmíněna.

Při vlastním převodu jsem využil pravidel nastavených tvůrci systému. Netušil jsem, že se může stát, že by email informující o žádosti o převod týmu founderovi nedošel. V tom případě je systém špatně nastaven a něco by se s tím mělo dělat obecně.

Nikdy jsem nepožádal o převzetí žádného projektu u CNT či boinc.cz (s jejich problémem na CPDN nemám nic společného).

Chci poděkovat Merlinovi, Hadrovi, MIZovi a dalším z našeho týmu, kteří se mě zastali (to neznamená, že se mnou musejí souhlasit). Bez nich bych ze Space Family odešel, což jsem vlastně na některých projektech ještě před dovolenou udělal, takže se průběžně, jak bude čas, vrátím. Omlouvám se jim za čas, který museli vydat na vysvětlování a obhajoby v době, kdy jsem zde nebyl.

Omlouvám se i ostatním, kterých se mé jednání nějak dotklo. Převzaté týmy vrátíme. V současné době ale neeviduji žádnou žádost na žádném na převzetí foundera, takže se budu muset s vedením našeho týmu domluvit, jak to uděláme fakticky.

Co mě trochu mrzí je, že jsem ani na Rosetě ani jinde neobdržel od admina projektu email, který by mě informoval, že jsem z něčeho nařčen a umožnil mi tak reagovat. S ohledem na moji pouze základní znalost angličtiny nejsem schopen sledovat a hlavně reagovat na fórech jednotlivých projektů.

Všechny prosím o trpělivost, neboť BOINC pro mne pouze okrajovou záležitostí a nemohu mu tak vyčlenit příliš času. Jsou v životě důležitější věci.


I'll try to translate it into English (please bear with my approach), without any further comments:
Hello to everyone, I'm back from holiday. I've just briefly run through the forums and have no time for a comprehensive response, but because my response is expected, at least briefly:

I've done the team transfers personally, just me alone and none else from Space Family is responsible for it. I've asked for team transfers prior to my joining to Space Family, in the far past and also shortly prior to joining Space Family. Respective team takeovers then could sporadically happen after the merger. Thus none from Space Family could be liable for it and except giving a glimpse to Hadra, none else ever knew about. I do not have a list of the teams taken over, but the majority of them have been here possibly mentioned.

During the respective transfer I've taken advantage of the rules, set by the system architects. I've not anticipated, that it could happen, that the email, informing about the request for team ownership transfer, would not be delivered to the founder. In such case the system is incorrectly set up and something should be done with it in general.

I've never asked for taking over any project of CNT (Czech National Team) or boinc.cz (I have nothing in common with their problem on CPDN).

I'd like to thank Merlin, Hadra, MIZ and others from our team, who sticked up for me (what does not necessarily mean, that they have to agree with me). Without them I'd leave Space Family, what I've actually done on some projects already prior to my vacation, so as the time will allow, I'll consecutively, come back. I apologize to them for the time, which was necessary for the explanations and advocacy during the time, when I was away.

I also apologize to others, who might have been somehow hurt with my behaviour. We will return the taken-over teams. But currently I've not noticed any request on any of them for team foundership transfer, so I'll have to arrange it with our team's captaincy, how to actually accomplish it.

What I partially feel bad about is that, neither on Rosetta, nor elsewhere, I've received an email from project admin, informing me about what I've been accused of, and allowed me to respond. With respect to my just basic knowledge of English language, I'm not able to follow and especially respond to forums of particular projects.

I'm asking all for patience, because BOINC is just a marginal thing for me and I can not devote much time to it. There are more important things in life.


Peter
31) Message boards : Number crunching : No work for weeks (Message 54695)
Posted 27 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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Rosetta and SETI are both set to 100 Resource-shares, so they should get equal attention when enabled.

Rosetta is often disabled, but I usually turn it on at least once a week to do some crunching

BOINC tries to level the amount of crunched tasks for your projects according to the resource share. But suspending a project or setting it to NoNewTasks effectively tells BOINC "I do not want this project being crunched for some time" - all attempts to behave so will be stopped, until you enable the project again.

BOINC internally calculates a set of debts for each project - "how much did this project already calculate". While calculating, this number goes down. When it gets too negative, no work will be crunched and/or downloaded. When other projects are calculated, the numbers go back up. If they get "positive enough", project is again enabled to be downloaded and/or crunched. (Simplified a bit, but it goes this way.)

It is possible, that while crunching Rosetta tasks, Rosetta's debt value got down a lot. When finished, you've disabled Rosetta and fixed its negative debt value. Afterwards, your computer might have crunched something else (although it is not obvious, what, during at least last two months, except Rosetta) and Rosetta's debt for sure did not get any bit more positive.

Now that you've enabled Rosetta, BOINC started to level out the negative debt and if you'd left it alone, once it would for sure download some tasks.

You can download and start the BOINC Debt Viewer to see your projects' debt values. If you'll tell them, we can elaborate more.

I'm occasionally crunching on Rosetta units whenever I have my computer do something different from my main-project (which - apologies - is seti due to historical reasons).

I got around that problem by temporarily disabling all current SETI tasks, but that's not what I would expect BOINC to behave like.
During the time-period I'm talking about, a few SETI tasks have finished and no attention has been paid to Rosetta, though it was enabled. It shouldn't care that it had been disabled previously, should it?!?

What's interesting, your SETI computer has not crunched anything for your main project for years (exactly, no contact since 19 Sep 2006 ;-)

Peter
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54684)
Posted 27 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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once again Czechs show how to tunnel in new area(DC).

Where did it happen before?

How sad that they are czechs.(But not suprising)

Why is it not surprising for you?

Peter
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54659)
Posted 25 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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I personally do not agree. It could happen my team MyCityTeam agrees with a bunch of teamless people from around MyTown and we decide to change the team name accordingly - MyAreaTeam. Otherwise they'll build their own team MyAreaTeam and leave us alone :-(

And what happens on the projects that are shut down? You may not be able to change the team name so your points will be lost on the team stat sites who go by the name.

I know. That's life and its history. Farewell... (Maybe some Cross-project-BOINC-wide-team-IDs will exist at the time? ;-)

But I could change my teams' name few years later, if I had a good reason for it. Without bothering ... 137? :-) project admins to allow it for me :-D

And if I'd once surprisingly (possibly because my notification email got lost back then) notice, that my team's name disappeared, and on my team's history page I'd read "User "Qwerty" got team ownership on 17.7.2016, changed the team name to "The WowTeam" on 19.7.2016, kicked me and other members off the team on 20.7.2011", I'd have a very good reason to politely ask project's admin to kick his @$$ off my team. I believe such publicly accessible log page would let any hijacker carefully decide at least five times, whether he really wants to try it.

Peter
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54650)
Posted 25 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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I think a perfect fix for this problem is to block changing the name of a team after it has been around for 1 month. This will give plenty of time to make sure the name of the team is correct and nobody will want to change the name for any other reason than to hijack the points.

I personally do not agree. It could happen my team MyCityTeam agrees with a bunch of teamles people from around MyTown and we decide to change the team name accordingly - MyAreaTeam. Otherwise they'll build their own team MyAreaTeam and leave me alone :-(

Peter
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54633)
Posted 23 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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There are 3 missing months, when you possibly were teamless, or in the mentioned team "Shadowland" and left there a copy of your 18,078 C$T. But I've no idea how to find out its team ID. Available Rosetta archive files (which I've found) do not list the team (yet), they are apparently older. Could you find any older bookmark to this team's stats, or screenshot or saved web page, where the team ID could be stored?.

If you want, you can delete this team, but it isn`t good that hi-jackers will go away with this earned points.

I can not, I' just a plain user. Additionally, teams are not meant to be deleted. They are a history. There is no such management function for it available. Their names must be secured with other means (maybe on some "Team History" subpage).


Thats a problem, then i have currently no idea where i can find these. But i believe in wonders. If i have it, i will find you. But, when the teams must secure, i can`t understand, that someone can delete this.

I've heard rumours, that it could be the team ID=5961, during 11 Jun 2007 - 03 Sep 2007. The problem is, that such team does not exist anymore in project's DB and in the most recent available team export I've found, from 03-Mar-2007 14:53, the team is not yet there. Apparently the team must have been deleted from the project DB sometimes.

Just to summarize your teamship:

25 Apr 2007 - 09 Jun 2007: GermanFunClan.net
10 Jun 2007 - 10 Jun 2007: (no tem)
11 Jun 2007 - 03 Sep 2007: ???????
03 Sep 2007 - 21 Dec 2007: Seti-Leipzig
21 Dec 2007 - 23 Jul 2008: Rechenkraft.net

I'm afraid my miracles do end here. Sorry to say so :-(

Peter
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54621)
Posted 23 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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I nominate Pepo as a new Moderator :-)

Even then I could not find or delete schatten1411's old team :-)

No way, I decline, I know next to nothing about the underlying science, I'd have to take it much more seriously :-D
With my posts count? And AFAIK Rosetta's mods are virtual, aren't they?

Peter
37) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54604)
Posted 22 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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Mentioned BOINC-wide team "Shadowland" had a credit loss (~44,000 C$T) around March/April 2008. Just the Predictor team was left, something is missing. Which project did you mean?

On Rosetta, you were member of team ID=31 (now Seti-Leipzig) (03 Sep 2007 - 21 Dec 2007) and left there 179,127 C$T - a different amount than the mising one. On the same day 21 Dec 2007 you've joined team ID=144 (now Rechenkraft.net), so I suppose it was on your own will.

So, which project(s)?

Team "Shadowland" was a Team only for me between "GermanFunClan" and "Seti-Leipzig". I was the 100% of all members ;). If you can, please check my rosetta points in this time.

OK, found one more team ID=5545 (now GermanFunClan.net) (25 Apr 2007 - 09 Jun 2007), you have earned 21,556 C$T for it.

So, there are your few known Rosetta periods:
25 Apr 2007 - 09 Jun 2007: GermanFunClan.net
09 Jun 2007 - 03 Sep 2007: ??????? (39,787 C$T - 21,709 C$T = 18,078 C$T earned)
03 Sep 2007 - 21 Dec 2007: Seti-Leipzig
21 Dec 2007 - 22 Jul 2008: Rechenkraft.net

There are 3 missing months, when you possibly were teamless, or in the mentioned team "Shadowland" and left there a copy of your 18,078 C$T. But I've no idea how to find out its team ID. Available Rosetta archive files (which I've found) do not list the team (yet), they are apparently older. Could you find any older bookmark to this team's stats, or screenshot or saved web page, where the team ID could be stored?.

If you want, you can delete this team, but it isn`t good that hi-jackers will go away with this earned points.

I can not, I' just a plain user. Additionally, teams are not meant to be deleted. They are a history. There is no such management function for it available. Their names must be secured with other means (maybe on some "Team History" subpage).

Peter
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54598)
Posted 21 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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David, what about setting also the hi-jacked Czech Boinc Team a.k.a. Space Family a.k.a. (possibly) XM Satellite Radio team and (dag's?) xx team free?

And finally renaming MrPetan's xxx to Space Family?

please compile a list of teams with ids along with the original teams and founders (with ids) along with proof of the takeover and removal of team members.

I'll try to replicate Rosetta's properties of Space Family history to Ralph.

Ralph's team with ID=13 was "dissolved" on 10 Jan 2008 (7 remaining members), a day before Barbar appeared: as you can see, PoorBoy was member of the team until 19 Aug 2006 and created most (again nearly 100%) of its credit. According to the WayBackMachine Internet Archive query, which stored 3 Ralph's Top teams lists (sorted by total credit), e.g. the Top Teams list from 26.6.2006, Top Teams list from 8.2.2007 and Top Teams list from 6.5.2007, team "Free-DC" did have ID 13 and was relaxing on top three positions according to the total credit.

You can also compare following two BoincStats' statistics graphs:

From Detailed statistics for "PoorBoy":


From Detailed statistics for team with ID=13 (a.k.a. "Space Family"):


Again, any obvious match?

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Please, excuse me, no pun intended - but somehow Space Family accomodates very good in PoorBoy's former teams :-)

I've no idea about the foundership of Free-DC team, but as its former members are still actively around, I'd leave it on them to vote and contact David E Kim accordingly. BTW, there is already one small replacement team with desperate former Free-DC members, but I believe they will likely agree to rename it and come back into their home team.

Peter
39) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54555)
Posted 17 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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stats

I was team founder, now it's nothing to see of them. Long time ago, i've checked this death team. But this.

Mentioned BOINC-wide team "Shadowland" had a credit loss (~44,000 C$T) around March/April 2008. Just the Predictor team was left, something is missing. Which project did you mean?

On Rosetta, you were member of team ID=31 (now Seti-Leipzig) (03 Sep 2007 - 21 Dec 2007) and left there 179,127 C$T - a different amount than the mising one. On the same day 21 Dec 2007 you've joined team ID=144 (now Rechenkraft.net), so I suppose it was on your own will.

So, which project(s)? (You are active on more projects.)

Peter
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points! (Message 54548)
Posted 17 Jul 2008 by Pepo
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Sorry no option to delete post. Should have paid closer attentio to previous post.

Sure there is :-)
You can edit your post to no text, it will be self deleted.

Peter


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