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Number crunching :
Computer array crunching?
(Message 53260)
Posted 22 May 2008 by ejuel
Post: I ran 16 machines in the basement here at one point. Trust me. The temperature will go over 80. Computers double as decent space heaters. Oh I hear ya. :) I just mean I have a REALLY big basement so I would hope that 20+ pcs wouldn't affect the temp too much down there before needing some cooling. :) |
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Number crunching :
Computer array crunching?
(Message 53232)
Posted 21 May 2008 by ejuel
Post: One other thing you should consider, depending on where you live. Right about the cooling...that was in my head the entire time. :) I would have this array in my basement which is actually quite cool in the summer...but of course I will need to watch it. It's a very large basement with nothing in it...and I would only have 20-50 machines so it would represent a very small percentage of space and needed airflow/cooling. Again, all depending and of course depending on if it's 105 degrees every day outside or a mild 80. As for the overclocking on the previous post, I was/am unaware of how much we could safely overclock. I believe it also depends on the motherboard. If it's safe to get a 30-45% increase, sign me up. I don't think Dell motherboards/BIOS allow me to overclock. Maybe I am wrong. The whole topic about undervolting/overclocking is over my head. If there is a somewhat technical explanation and how-to, I will read it. But if it's going to be down at the electron level, I don't wanna read that. :) Maybe there is a matrix of simple setups such as the Intel Quad with 5 different motherboards that run just fine. -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Computer array crunching?
(Message 53228)
Posted 21 May 2008 by ejuel
Post: 2)Your current system seems about $50 cheaper than a Dell box with the same quad chip, 3gig of ram (instead of your 1gig), a 500g drive (instead of your 0g drive), a case, cd/dvd drive, keyboard, and mouse and maybe a few other things...so...although Dell might be a slight monopoly, why not just buy a bunch of the same Dell machines? I would understand if it was physical size dimensions issue and/or power sucking issue...care to elaborate? Just wondering. Heck, you could sell the 500g drives for $100 a pop not to mention the dvd/cd drive for $25. Thanks for the tips, Bitspit. I guess I am still in a kind of dilemma... 1)I don't overclock my chips. I don't really believe in it and usually the manufacturers won't replace it if it breaks. 2)I know Dell doesn't sell the cutting edge products/components for a great price but what they do offer is a very economical system. My Quad is pulling in a RAC of just under 1400...and I'm not running RAH at 100%. I'm also on XP which probably affects the performance (compared to linux) by a tad. So let's say I get about 1500 RAC...not bad compared to your 1650. Although I do love to see my stats go up, I'm not going to lose sleep over an 8% performance degradation if all other things are about equal (see point 4) ). And again, the full computer comes with parts I can sell which would in turn drop the desktop price by 10-15%. Not to mention if I did keep the units intact with all the parts, I could turn around and sell the computer a year later vs. trying to sell motherboards (like your setup) would be a little harder/longer of a process...selling a desktop is easy since there is a big market...selling parts gives me a limited audience. 3)I'm not really looking to squeeze every last clock cycle out of the chip or 1 extra RAC. :) 4)I'd love to buy slim "computers" to put in a reasonable amount of physical space, however, I also don't want to spend a lot of time building pieces when I can get a very comparable desktop for the same price or cheaper. The pro about the desktop is that it's ready to go...a few clicks to install XP and I'm set...no hardware to assemble. The con is that the desktop would surely eat up more physical space and probably a bit more power. I'd love to find a Mac Mini-type pc with comparable performance (to a quad with 3gig ram) for $400-$500...this way the physical space is much smaller than a normal desktop. Again, there are a few factors here for this "array project": a)physical size of the array, b)power the array requires (hence my electric bill), c)performance/cost ratio of the array, d)ease of setup/maintenance. Since, to me, the dollar amounts are so close...as well as the performance (taking out the overclocking variable), why did you go down the route of building everything separately? Was it purely the love of learning something new and the act of building or was there more to it? I used to build computers all the time from the mid 80s till about 1999 and then just lost the excitement (as well as other things in life that eat up your time as you get older :) ). Thanks again for the tips. -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Computer array crunching?
(Message 53214)
Posted 21 May 2008 by ejuel
Post:
Bitspit, thanks for the post...a few questions and comments: 1)Yes, would love to see a webpage and maybe a how-to or where you ordered from. I'm tech savvy but I gave up the build-it-yourself model around 1996 when it just wasn't my gig anymore. :) 2)Your current system seems about $50 cheaper than a Dell box with the same quad chip, 3gig of ram (instead of your 1gig), a 500g drive (instead of your 0g drive), a case, cd/dvd drive, keyboard, and mouse and maybe a few other things...so...although Dell might be a slight monopoly, why not just buy a bunch of the same Dell machines? I would understand if it was physical size dimensions issue and/or power sucking issue...care to elaborate? Just wondering. Heck, you could sell the 500g drives for $100 a pop not to mention the dvd/cd drive for $25. 3)Maybe I will start a new thread with this, but has anyone (inside or outside RAH or BOINC in general) considered petitioning to pc manufacturers the idea of allowing RAH/BOINC registered users purchase bare bones machines for a cheap price? A)We would be ordering bare bones machines so I doubt there would be an argument that we are buying these machines for our employers in order to save money. B)Maybe put in a clause that each user needs to order more than 5 at a time. C)It's all for good use. D)It allows the manufacturers to "give back" by giving us good-hearted folks a discount to help cure diseases with our own personal cash and E)Maybe force us participants to buy only on certain days of the month when mass quantities could be ordered (for example, allowing the ordering website to be open on the 15th of the month only and at that time, if more than 500 "pcs" are ordered in total, the price is X...if more than 1000 the price goes to Y...if more than 5000 the price goes to Z...kinda like the Home Shopping Network (at least from my memories from the late 80s). I doubt a giant vendor like Dell or HP is going to get involved because we are probably too small a project and they would rather just "donate" cash or machines to a single body...but I bet mom and pop shops would love to get monthly orders of 1000 units...it would certainly promote their business as well as earn them revenue. Anyway, overall I'd love to learn a little bit more about where you bought your equipment, how it was set up, some pics, etc. I'm technical, I just haven't played around with diskless systems, Linux operating systems, etc. -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Computer array crunching?
(Message 53202)
Posted 20 May 2008 by ejuel
Post: I'd like to kick start this topic again and keep off the PS3 and GPU topics. I haven't had any time to really research the best/cost effective way to build such an array...and am looking for your advice. To me, the EASIEST and FASTEST way to build such an array would be to buy pre-built computers like 20 Dell Inspiron 530 or 20 Mac Minis...the machines would all be ready to go...just plug them in...sure, they would come with some extras that I have no need for such as humumgous hard drives, cd/dvd drives, killer video cards, but, on the other hand I could always try to sell them a year or 2 later and use the money for faster machines. A more complex solution would be to have a giant case that simply holds tons of motherboards...who knows where the power cases would be...and maybe the OS and software would run on a flash drive. So...kick starting this topic again, any ideas? I'd like to find "machines" that are under $400 that come with a quad-core chip and 3-4gig of RAM. For example, I recently bought a Dell Insprion 530 with 3gig ram, quad-core chip, 500gig hard drive, dvd/cd drive for $499 to my door. Surely, there must be some mom & pop bare bones systems that I can buy for $100 less with the same RAM and CPU specs. Maybe even $300 if I buy a quantity of 20 or something. -Eric |
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Number crunching :
How to use $100,000 for RAH?
(Message 53166)
Posted 19 May 2008 by ejuel
Post: I suspect the money would be better used by the developers and scientists than in buying more CPUs. I agree that the amount of computing power I could buy would only be the equivalent of a few days' worth of new "hosts" (according to the RAH homepage stats)...not to get too off topic but I still do not know what defines a "host" and have asked RAH numerous times to clarify...no reply. Is a host a physical machine? A cpu? A "core"? They are 3 completely different definitions. As far as determining where the money would go inside the project, I guess I/we would need RAH to guide us (publicly would be nice) as to what are RAH's Top 5 needs for money. Is it porting to a new platform? Paying a few salaries? Exploring new research by hiring 3 people? If RAH had a Donation webpage that showed (like Seti@home used to) what they would do with donations, I think that would at least clarify...not that I am judging. I would tend to agree that it would be more worth my time to give the $100,000 as a monetary donation and somehow make it a goal for me to get 200 pc owners (with quad core chips) to sign up to this project. Or 400 dual-core owners. That way RAH would win both ways. I'm just not sure how many more people I could find to ask. :) I'm pretty tapped out on neighbors, relatives, co-workers. I could devote a website and somehow publicly advertise, but that's really something RAH should be doing. I'm quite shocked RAH has barely 200,000 people (and what % of them are still contributing???) signed up (albeit a percentage of these registered users contribute on multiple machines) after the project has been running for what, 3+ years now? Anyway, I'd like to hear from others about Options A and B...hopefully someone from RAH will chime in. -Eric |
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Number crunching :
How to use $100,000 for RAH?
(Message 53152)
Posted 19 May 2008 by ejuel
Post: Ok, so let's theoretically say that I have $100,000 to donate to RAH...what would be the best use and best way to donate? Would it be Option A: pure monetary donation or would it be Option B: by me purchasing computers to help the project? If I simply gave $100k to RAH, I would guess that it would be prioritized in some fashion beyond my control...salaries, ISP fees, software licenses, hardware upgrades, who knows. Do you know? Could I control where the money goes? Now let's look at option B: Buying computers to crunch. I recently bought a Dell Quad-core system for basically $500 with 3gig ram and some other goodies...so if we do the math, I could own 200 quad-core computers even if I got a 0% discount from Dell. The electric bill would surely go up, and of course I would need to keep them running cool. But let's put the maintenance aside. Is it better for the common good of RAH to have essentially 800 cores crunching away 24x7 or better for me to donate the money? -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Crunchers - Who's Got Connections at Sony (PS3) ?!
(Message 53148)
Posted 18 May 2008 by ejuel
Post: So what about it Rosie crunchers, anyone with Sony PS3 connections? Although I do not, I could ask around...I've got plenty of other connections and work at an extremely large US-based company. On a similar note, what about helping to define our plea by creating an online petition or poll. Something to show Sony that X number of people or Y percentage of the BOINC (or RAH, whatever) are interested in PS3. Seriously. BOINC or RAH should take a leadership role in this by taking the 3 hours to build a simple web page to collect votes/signatures/what have you. I have a PS3...it's been doing nothing for 5+ months. I know a bunch of other people that have PS3s and I can guarantee you that I could get them to run a BOINC client if I asked. -Eric |
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Number crunching :
"Host" stat on RAH homepage...what about Cores?
(Message 51755)
Posted 2 Mar 2008 by ejuel
Post: So I'd like to get back on topic and add some other comments that I do not think I or others mentioned before regarding the RAH homepage: 1)I don't see a Stat for # of "active" users...which is typically defined on other Boinc projects as someone who has returned a work unit/credit within the last 30 days. This would be a nice stat to see...just because we have almost 189,000 registered users does not mean they are all contributing currently. 2)As in #1, a stat for "active" hosts would be nice. 3)I still think the # of cores would be valuable info. Call it CPUs if you want (because that's what the Boinc computer profiles call it...for example, going to the "Your Computers" page, clicking on a computer, and looking at the "Number of CPUs" line item. No, I don't think a "# of Cores/CPUs" needs to be real-time on the RAH homepage but maybe every 24 hours updating the homepage would be nice. Aren't any of us (besides me) curious at how many of the 500,000+ hosts have multiple CPUs/cores (besides wondering how many are currently active)? I would hope more than 50% given a number of obvious reasons that I don't have time to list right now. :) But certainly as new computers are purchased, more people will buy dual, quad, and sextuplet core chips (I just grabbed a bunch of Dell Intel Quad core pcs with 3gig ram, 500gig hard drive, dvd burner, and 128MB vid card for $649 free shipping!). Thanks for listening! -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Computer array crunching?
(Message 51723)
Posted 29 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post:
Well, I don't think Sony is getting out of the gaming business if that's what you're trying to say. Sony is an entertainment company and has done very well with their gaming systems over the past 10+ years. But anyway.... So wouldn't it be cool if the # of PS3s doing FAH got up to 3 or 4 million rather than the current 1? Or even 6 million ultimately by end of 2009 as Sony keeps on selling PS3s (they are still proudly selling the PS2 and I had one of those back in 1998). |
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Number crunching :
Computer array crunching?
(Message 51720)
Posted 29 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post: Sounds like a great project! Do keep us posted. Now, I don't know the main 1-2 differences between RAH and FAH (can anyone list here rather than point me to a webpage with 11 pages of information?), but I hear that the PS3 is essentially equal to about 16 home computers...that's kinda vague...16 crusty Celeron pcs or 16 Core Duo machines? Since the PS3 is $399 list price, that's obviously cheaper than most home computers that would be somewhat fast. And, the PS3 is easy to administer since it's a relatively small box...and let's not forget that Sony is right behind FAH 100%. Has anyone ever contacted Sony to see if they would give a discount (say a measely $100) for people like us who would buy them in bulk? I can see that if we just bought 1 or 2, Sony might think we are lying and handing them out to the kiddies. But what if I wanted to buy 50? That would be about $15,000 worth of hardware (at $300 a pop) that I would dedicate to science. Sony can snip the HDMI cable or whatever they want to do if they don't trust me. I also believe that Sony will release a PS4 (for lack of better word) sometime within the next 3 years since PS3 has been out since Nov 2006. And, I would bet money that the PS4 would support FAH right out of the gate. And if Sony packs in another quantum leap in processing technology, that will be even better. Any thoughts? Has anyone contacted Sony with such a plan? They've sold 10.5 million PS3s and 1 million of them are on FAH which is amazing. -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Computer array crunching?
(Message 51681)
Posted 27 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post: Hi all. I was considering undergoing a goal to build an array of computers that use little power, crunch lots of data, and take up little space. I have not seen any photos on this forum regarding such a task, but my general goal (and although I am a computer expert, not an engineer) is to: 1)Mount 50-100 "computers" in storage racks 2)Each computer would probably be simply a motherboard, 2gig of RAM, and a Quad core chip 3)Each computer would possibly run on a flash drive so as not to waste electricity on a hard drive spinning 24x7 and to also save money (not having to buy a hard drive). 4)I am not sure what/how each machine would run on a Flash drive but I believe numerous Linux systems can. right? 5)I would assume the power supply for each motherboard could be low since there is no cd drive, no hard drive, etc...just a motherboard and a flash drive hanging out of it Has anyone done this type of project? Any photos? how much electricity is it sucking? etc. I'm extremely interested in doing this. -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Some pcs take forever to report...why?
(Message 51596)
Posted 24 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post: [quote]ejuel, it sounds like you are expecting BOINC to contact the project 10 times every day... whether it needs to or not. And, even if there are completed tasks to report, BOINC doesn't not feel they NEED to be reported right away. By combining your reporting and requests for new work and contacting the project less frequently, it is helping the productivity on the project servers. BOINC uses that number to basically understand how much work it should be requesting, so that it avoids contacting MORE then your preference. So, really, you have defined a preference that says "get enough work so that you will not be contacting the projects more then 10 times per day". And if you are running more then one project, this is one of the balancing acts that BOINC plays. ...so now let's get to the point. Why are you concerned about when tasks are reported? There is a setting somewhere that says "report 'em all immediately". But I don't recall where it is, and doing so make more hits on the project's servers. quote] Ok...well, every time in install Boinc on a new pc, it's local Preferences are set to .1 day...so I don't mess with it. This default has been happening on the past 4-5 installs over the past 2months. Even if it was not set to default, I always thought that the RAC was calculated on how much work is done PER DAY. I saw a REAL LONG post somewhere about how RAC was calculated and that was too confusing...if I am wrong about RAC, can someone sum up how RAC is calculated in say, less than 100 words? :) As for the mouse thing, yea, I know it doesn't hurt the pc to let Boinc run 24x7 at 80% CPU strength or more...I was just trying to set this 1 pc to only run while someone is away. And for whatever reason, it just isn't working right. I am going to lean towards the mouse triggering the system. Maybe I will just set it to run 24x7 at 90% CPU. On a total tangent, I have 3 quad-core systems coming online in a few days. :) -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Some pcs take forever to report...why?
(Message 51591)
Posted 24 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post: I'm not sure I'm answering your question properly. I have one of those standard Microsoft optical laser mice...do you think it is triggering it? However, more than 15 hours ago I set Boinc to "run always" so again, 15 hours is more than .5 of a day...and I have it set to contact every .1 days. -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Some pcs take forever to report...why?
(Message 51585)
Posted 24 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post: These preferences are all local...all in the Advanced>Preferense menu of the thick client. Right...I see that Boinc is suspending...that's my 2nd point...I'm not there to make it suspend so why is it suspending? But the suspending issue is the least of my worries...can always set that to run 100%. -Eric |
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Some pcs take forever to report...why?
(Message 51583)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post: Hi. I have numerous pcs...many are almost identical in CPU speed and hardware configuration. I notice that I have at least 1 machine that seems to take forever reporting. For example, all my pcs are set to "Connect about every" .1 hours. Yet I have a machine right now that has not contacted in 8 hours...and this has been happening for the past 5 days (I just installed it 5 days ago). Yes, the machine is happily busy crunching work. I have it set to run at max 90% CPU time when the machine has been free for more than 1 minute. And this machine is pretty fast...duo core 2 processor at 2.33GHz and with 3gig ram. Any ideas? This problem happened on my Mac for about a month and then the problem disappeared...no changes by me. I looked at the Messages Tab and noticed that Boinc seems to think the machine is in use every 30mins...as if someone shakes the mouse or types on the keyboard. These messages are popping up a lot from 2am-6am when nobody is using the machine, we have no pets, there are no earthquakes, etc. And this is a clean machine with XP, Norton Internet Security, and Office...literally that is it. Is there a little known trigger that I don't know about such as a software update that triggers Boinc to think the machine is in use? I always thought it was physical characteristics like using the mouse or keyboard. The above example is surely stealing some minutes here and there, but shouldn't be stopping Boinc from communicating...I see a backlog of about 6 work units that are completed and each unit takes about 2-3 hours so we're talking 12-18 hours of work that has not been automatically reported. Thanks for any help! -Eric 2/22/2008 2:24:59 AM||Suspending computation - user is active 2/22/2008 2:26:00 AM||Resuming computation 2/22/2008 2:44:39 AM||Suspending computation - user is active 2/22/2008 2:45:40 AM||Resuming computation 2/22/2008 3:00:31 AM||Suspending computation - user is active 2/22/2008 3:01:32 AM||Resuming computation 2/22/2008 3:05:28 AM||Suspending computation - user is active 2/22/2008 3:06:30 AM||Resuming computation 2/22/2008 3:09:52 AM||Suspending computation - user is active 2/22/2008 3:11:53 AM||Resuming computation 2/22/2008 3:29:16 AM||Suspending computation - user is active 2/22/2008 3:31:40 AM||Resuming computation 2/22/2008 3:33:39 AM||Resuming computation 2/22/2008 3:34:06 AM||Suspending computation - user is active 2/22/2008 3:35:06 AM||Resuming computation 2/22/2008 3:43:05 AM||Suspending computation - user is active 2/22/2008 3:44:06 AM||Resuming computation 2/22/2008 3:58:57 AM||Suspending computation - user is active |
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Rosetta@home Science :
How can we bring more users to the Rosetta project?
(Message 51566)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post: Although I did not read every single post, I saw lots of ideas. I'd like to put mine in a list so it's easy to read. The list is not in any order. 1)I think having more non-Boinc tech news will encourage web visitors to join. There's a difference in visiting and finally joining. When I look at the RAH homepage, it's filled with garbledy-gook biology stuff and the News section is all about the RAH being up/down, upgrades to software, new beta-ware, etc. That's all the news you have to yap about? Where is the non-technology stuff like what RAH has accomplished, goals of the year 2008, goals of 2009? Have we solved anything yet? If I, the end user, has no idea how the project is doing, why would I sign up for it? I want to be apart of a successful project...and if the project is hitting success, I want to know about it. No news typically means that nothing has happened in the project. In RAH's case, there hasn't been any news in at least 2 years. 2)Email newsletters. They serve as a "thank you", a "reminder" (how many people you think bought a new machine and forgot to install RAH?), and an easy piece of literature for users to forward to friends and peers. The email newsletters could be something like what is discussed in #1. 3)Advertisements online. I have no idea how much this would cost but what about something on websites that relate to the RAH cause? I can't list you those sites, RAH should know them. 4)Magazines and tv...why have we NOT read or seen a single article in major communication markets like tv or magazines? Contact Discover, Time, Scientific American, National Geographic and ask to be interviewed. Contact Discovery Channel and the History Channel and get yourself mentioned on some topic (Distributed Computing, Medical science, whatever). These outlets EACH serve tens of MILLIONS of Americans...and some reach hundreds of millions worldwide. A few simple phone calls could get the attention of millions. If 100 million people read/saw something about RAH and 1% of them joined, you'd instantly have 1million new users...and then of course they would be spreading the word, adding multiple machines, etc. And that's just with 100million people initially interested. What about 200 million? 500 million? 5)What about joining forces with other Boinc projects? Basically have all the projects pool some money together, create a simple Boinc advertising campaign, and see what projects people join. There is strength in numbers. If an advertisement is going to cost $20,000 then it should not be too difficult for 20 projects to each come up with $1000 and have a generalized ad for Boinc. Even if it was only 10 projects, that's a measely $2000 per project. And what about Boinc itself? They want to be successful...and for them to be successful the Projects need to succeed. And if the Projects each have a very small percentage of donors (like RAH) then that tells Boinc some type of "awareness" about Boinc and the Projects needs to take place. 6)What about contests? There will be no prize except for recognition (or maybe a test tube full of proteins...hardy har har). Maybe things like Best Company Team, Best Educational Team, Best Individual Contributor, Most Credits Per Day. Define 'best' as whatever you want (# of credits received, # of participants, # of CPU cores, whatever). Make it fun. This way people (at least your current user base) will be enticed to tell a friend...maybe even start a team. We all know there is a large percentage of current users who are into the Stats...and a contest is just right to get them to toot their horn. :) 7)What about working a relationship with a computer manufacturer or online retailer that promotes RAH...maybe when you Check Out it states "Please join RAH in the race to find a cure...visit RAH to help solve disease". 8)What about a contest that rewards a user like in a "refer a friend" program...maybe run a contest every month for 1 year...the person that "refers" the most new users (or host machines, whatever you want) get's a free iPod Shuffle (currently $49 or $69). Throw me a bone...trying to make it a contest where people would want the prize. So, those are my ideas...just thought of them now as I typed. Any comments? -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Does RAH advertise? Why so low stats?
(Message 51561)
Posted 22 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post: Advertising is pretty darn cheap...especially for non-profit type organizations. Maybe advertising is a strong word. What I am talking about is reaching out to some newspapers, trade magazines, popular websites, tv shows. Stuff that the average person reads/watches. Not the niche trade magazines that PhD people read in their office. The goal of distributed computing is to get as many "people" to assist in the cause. I haven't even heard of that Google place you are talking about. Here's a list of some easy places that you could spend a few minutes shooting an email (or ask the RAH team members to call/write in order to get attention): Boston.com NYtimes.com Discover Magazine History Channel Scientific American magazine National Geographic magazine Time Magazine Chicago Tribune In the past, I've literally picked up the phone and called National Geographic (their # is in the magazine) and talked to a human (on the 1st call!) about topics to discuss...very friendly conversation and months later my topic was there. I emailed an editor at Boston.com (essentially the Boston Globe but more stuff), he emailed me back 2 days later, and we chatted about some stuff...about 2 weeks later my topic was in the magazine AND online. Again, I'm not talking about spending $10,000 on an ad on Google or Yahoo...I'm talking about reaching out to 10+ popular news outlets and asking if they would cover RAH's worthy cause. Maybe you would like us to do so? I mean, in 2008, don't you think there are a lot of ways to "advertise" such a fantastic project other than centuries old word-of-mouth? :) We all want this project to succeed (right???)...having such a small user base clearly shows that people either don't want to join or don't know it exists. I would say it's the latter. I am offering suggestions. I am also stating, "help me help you". -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Seriously, what for?
(Message 51554)
Posted 22 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post: ...But what does Rosetta@home do? Nothing it seems. No automated Thank You e-mails, no diplomas, not even a friggin gold star next to your name for whatever reason. We crunchers dedicate all those CPU cycles and receive nothing in return. Where are the RL results? Where are the cures? Where is our deserved appreciation? I do agree with you in that a Certificate would be nice...simply for me to tack on the wall. But that's not at the top of my priority list for complaints to RAH. Nidhogg, you are dead-on about the other "giving back" points like updates, results, news topics, etc. What tops my "complaints list" to RAH is simply the lack of NORMAL, LAYMEN terminology on the homepage about what the project has accomplished, what very near term goals are to be accomplished, what goals in the next 12 months are to be accomplished, lists of recent trade magazines/articles/tv shows that talk/promote RAH. All in plain old English. Stuff a 12-year old would understand. In short, RAH doesn't seem to be doing much in the "giving back" field. No, I am not looking for pats on the back or a free candy bar. But I darn well expect to be given updates and information on how my donation is helping. How hard is it for RAH to update the webpage every few days or weeks with some News? All the "News" is always about technical junk like the servers being up/down or a new version of Boinc or a new version of RAH. That should be titled "Tech News". I (and I'm sure many others) want news that matters to the project as seen as the Big Picture. Where are the email updates every 6-12 months? None. Thanks a lot. The News page located at: http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/rah_articles.php is all 2+ years old! Worse, RAH can't even take the 5 seconds to put a date stamp next to the article so I can figure out if it's even recent. Come on, this is pure laziness. I, as Nidhogg, am frustrated with the lack of "giving back" by RAH. I love the project, but am very disappointed with the overall reporting back to us. -Eric |
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Number crunching :
Does RAH advertise? Why so low stats?
(Message 51553)
Posted 22 Feb 2008 by ejuel
Post: So I need to ask... After 2+ years we only have 187,000 participants in this project? Don't you find that extremely low (regardless of how other @HOME projects are doing). Does RAH advertise at all? I've never seen RAH mentioned in Time, Discover, Scientific American, the news, etc. With over 300million people in the U.S. alone, (and I would bet there are at least 100million US residents have computers powerful enough to join RAH), why is the participation so low? We're at 0.5% of the U.S. population yet this is a global project...so 187,000 registered users is, well, frankly pathetic. The world population is 6+BILLION (yes, I know not all 6 billion people have a pc) but for a project that seems so meaningful, why is there so low attendance (of people, not CPUs)? This isn't a flame...I'm just trying to figure out why RAH is never advertising or spreading the word. Advertising is pretty darn cheap...especially for non-profit type organizations. I really want this project to succeed and I tell new people every day about this project. Literally every day. But RAH can't hope to be successful by word of mouth promotion. Thanks a bunch! -Eric |
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