Posts by Mod.DE

1) Message boards : Number crunching : Take the pledge: (Message 28071)
Posted 21 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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I'm a mod but not here, thank goodness. I say that because there are too many acting like children here (not pointing at anyone in particular). I've only ever had to give one warning on the board that I moderate on.

And I might add that I came to this project for the last 2 weeks of casp7 to help out(did not know about it b4 that or would have given more time to casp7). While doing the casp7 work I decided to continue contributing to this project long term but decided to stop crunching rosetta because of all the mud slinging and because of Ethan. It really is a worth while project but I can't put up with the crap here on the BB and if I can't participate on the BB then I don't crunch the project.


Steve you posted in a locked thread. Your posts were fine but if a thread is marked as closed every mod is going to delete further posts.


Message to Moderator DE. You are off topic. This thread is to take the pledge one is not a moderator. I hope you are not telling us you are not a moderator. :)


Jose, my apologies, I pledge guilty. The only excuse I can give is that I heard somewhere there won't be any moderation for a few days, so I dared to go off-topic. Sorry again. :-)
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Take the pledge: (Message 28054)
Posted 21 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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I'm a mod but not here, thank goodness. I say that because there are too many acting like children here (not pointing at anyone in particular). I've only ever had to give one warning on the board that I moderate on.

And I might add that I came to this project for the last 2 weeks of casp7 to help out(did not know about it b4 that or would have given more time to casp7). While doing the casp7 work I decided to continue contributing to this project long term but decided to stop crunching rosetta because of all the mud slinging and because of Ethan. It really is a worth while project but I can't put up with the crap here on the BB and if I can't participate on the BB then I don't crunch the project.


Steve you posted in a locked thread. Your posts were fine but if a thread is marked as closed every mod is going to delete further posts.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Moderation notice - mod-free time (Message 27948)
Posted 21 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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Please remember that Moderators and admin are legally responsible for what is posted. If any libel were to happen there maybe a case that you could be sued in the Country of the complainant.

It has happened elsewhere.


As I said, if something really, really ugly happens we will react, but we won't move posts or try to prevent certain discussions.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Moderation notice - mod-free time (Message 27946)
Posted 21 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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Hi,

we'd like to try an experiment. As you may have noticed there was almost no moderation activity in the past 12 hours.

Now we mods decided that we won't moderate for a couple of days and therefore some rosetta-board-specific rules won't be enforced. This is done in ordert to give everybody the possibility to speak his mind. We hope that after everybody could state his opinion and argue as much as he likes we can put some issues to an end and go on with discussions about the present and the future rather than the past of Rosetta@home.

So the zero-Racers can challenge the overclaimers and debate about cheating and backdating or the influence of seti fanboys, vocal minorities and credit whores on the project. ;-)

Perhaps everything wents better without moderation? If something really, really ugly happens we will of course be present - but that won't happen, right?
5) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Moderator contact thread archive (Message 27717)
Posted 20 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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The identity discussions will also continue in the cold hard light of the USENET forum as well, where it can't be stifled by the paranoia of the mods here.


That is the best place I think. Those interested in the discussion can follow it there and don't have to fear moderator paranoia or intervention.

I wrote boring but meant tiring. Tiring from a mod perspective since it makes us trouble. ;-) In fact it's interesting, any kind of identity guessing is interesting and I even share the view that mods should not be afraid to disclose their second participant identity, however it's tradition here that mods can stay anonymous if they want.


That's even MORE outrageous! You are deleting posts based on a TRADITION? That is totally absurd.


Don't confuse what I said. Based on tradition mods have the choice to stay anonymous here at Rosetta. Derived from that choice there is a rule not to guess the identity of mods. Posts which do guess are deleted because they violate this rule.
6) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Moderator contact thread archive (Message 27710)
Posted 20 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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The identity discussions will also continue in the cold hard light of the USENET forum as well, where it can't be stifled by the paranoia of the mods here.


That is the best place I think. Those interested in the discussion can follow it there and don't have to fear moderator paranoia or intervention.

I wrote boring but meant tiring. Tiring from a mod perspective since it makes us trouble. ;-) In fact it's interesting, any kind of identity guessing is interesting and I even share the view that mods should not be afraid to disclose their second participant identity, however it's tradition here that mods can stay anonymous if they want.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : No annonymous moderators (Message 27672)
Posted 20 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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"Crawl back in your hole"?


I think you`ll find that was mine...in reply to an equally defamatory post by <edit>.....

I would never ask why such a post was deleted, the fact you reproduce shows the words are not strong, nevertheless it was aimed as an insult, to which I understand deletion.


How would you have reacted if I would have edited your post and deleted the last line with an edit-message, such as: "please no insults"?
8) Message boards : Number crunching : No annonymous moderators (Message 27668)
Posted 20 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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The BOINC package does not allow moderators to edit posts. For some reason the BOINC developer have made clear that they won't change this, so there is little hope that this will be possible in future.


And that's a good thing. That way there is no way the original poster's words can be changed to suit someone's idea of Political Correctness. The arguement never comes up of "Someone changed my post!"

Better just let them stand, unless they are outrageously offensive.


But what would you do with a fine post where in the end an insult is placed, such as: "Crawl back in your hole"? I would like to snip this insult with an edit-tag and explanation, but let the post stay. Now I delete the whole post and explain to the poster why and ask him to repost it without the insult. But most either don't receive the email explanations or don't read it and post back with "Why was my post deleted?".
9) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Moderator contact thread archive (Message 27660)
Posted 20 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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I changed my sig - no guessing.

Now - why can't we speculate on who the mods are? Give me good logical reasons for prohibiting it.

If you don't confirm it, it's just a harmless guessing game.


Than guess elsewhere, it does not belong here. We don't like this guessing because it will just give more food to the boring discussions who is biased, who took which side in the past and which side now and so on.

edit: You are still guessing in your sig, please change that, perhaps into:

"I like to guess the moderators identity in the Rosetta Board! I strongly disagree with the decision of the mods to stay anonymous and I find this cowardly!"
10) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Moderator contact thread archive (Message 27657)
Posted 20 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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This is supposed to be the thread to discuss moderation of postss, but the posts that we're trying to discuss keep getting moderated away ?

What a zoo


Perhaps you should try to present your question / opinion / comment without guessing on the mod identities.

11) Message boards : Number crunching : No annonymous moderators (Message 27582)
Posted 19 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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The BOINC package does not allow moderators to edit posts. For some reason the BOINC developer have made clear that they won't change this, so there is little hope that this will be possible in future.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : No annonymous moderators (Message 27452)
Posted 18 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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Yes the banning feature is developed though not in use here. The prospect of having you and Jose as moderators though _without_ banning possibilities and is so entertaining, that I vote for that solution rather than to have the banning feature. :-)




You would noty be entretained after I moderate your posts . :P


As long as I could still read the reactions to your moderation marvel I would be compensated. ;-)



So I take it you are willing to apologize for the irrational comment ?

From my dead cold hands... ;-)

Jose I apologize for it although I feel it deep inside my heart you were not insulted by my post. You spotted a technical mistake I made, you spotted a slight emotional reaction inappropriate for us anonymous mod machines and indulgingly pointed it out. Congratulations!
13) Message boards : Number crunching : No annonymous moderators (Message 27449)
Posted 18 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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I have never ever received one message of deletion or other from here.

Mod.De, I am alway`s prepared. ;-)


Then edit you spam filter to allow mails from bakerlab.org or try to suppress the delete reflex if you receive a mail with the beginning "your post was subject to moderation...". I _always_ write poems and novels when I delete a post and feel personally insulted that it does not bear fruits. ;-)

To be serious if we delete or move a post we can leave a comment which should be send to the original poster - at least that's what we are told.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : No annonymous moderators (Message 27446)
Posted 18 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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Yes the banning feature is developed though not in use here. The prospect of having you and Jose as moderators though _without_ banning possibilities and is so entertaining, that I vote for that solution rather than to have the banning feature. :-)




You would noty be entretained after I moderate your posts . :P


As long as I could still read the reactions to your moderation marvel I would be compensated. ;-)
15) Message boards : Number crunching : No annonymous moderators (Message 27443)
Posted 18 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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You cannot delete a Boinc account, it would be a foolhardy approach easily rectified by a new sign up.

Post deletion is the harshest methodology available which is why it should be used wisely, which imho it hasn`t here in all cases. Yes I agree some of my post`s were deleted that deserved it but others....hmmmmm You have never seen me whinge about a deleted post where I was just having a go at someone cos that`s life !

New account won't let you post, only after some WUs crunched and granted, so at least some days rest.


There is a way round that which I shall keep to myself.


Well I still remember our game when I deleted a post of you which you then 40 times reposted. In the end you won and I capitulated. With the banning feature I would have at least a temporary victory. ;-)

What is really missing here is a private messaging function since it seems most people don't read our reasons which are emailed to them when we delete or move a post or they read it the next day - and can't remember what they posted ;-).

A lot is solved and many anger is gone if you can talk to someone without others listening.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : No annonymous moderators (Message 27434)
Posted 18 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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Yes the banning feature is developed though not in use here. The prospect of having you and Jose as moderators though _without_ banning possibilities and is so entertaining, that I vote for that solution rather than to have the banning feature. :-)

17) Message boards : Number crunching : No annonymous moderators (Message 27427)
Posted 18 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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Tony: my first act as a moderator would be to ban you, so I don't think this would work . :)


That's the funny part of moderation, there is no banning feature. ;-)
18) Message boards : Number crunching : No annonymous moderators (Message 27388)
Posted 18 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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mmciastro and Jose, now I'm curious what your solutions are. I have slight doubts that they are identical though. ;-)
19) Message boards : Number crunching : We need a new forum (Message 27321)
Posted 18 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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As to the last two statements and another one ( the third one) : I wont touch them with a 10 foot pole. Reacting to them would get me in deep trouble.

You have my word on that. ;-)

I Know. :P

But, I think it is fair to say from whose PMs and thread actions I would have been quoting had I done it. :)



Latter Edit

BTW DE

In his Message 27229 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 1:01:20 UTC , Moderator Sense said:

"... However, you are correct, I haven't seen an actual apology, and I have to agree with you, that they should apologize for the inference that people were acting in a mannar deserving of a label. "

So I take it you don't agree with your fellow moderator on the issue you owe us an apology for the use of the irrational comment.



Yep, it seems we differ on this issue and there is nothing wrong with mods who differ on some topics. However regarding this comment by me we will discuss this internally.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : We need a new forum (Message 27319)
Posted 18 Sep 2006 by Mod.DE
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Jose you are sidestepping my question. I asked, do you still know people who think the old system was fairer then the new one? I did not ask, do you know people who think the new system isn't fair. Of course it's not totally fair it even has some significant shortages which were discussed here and elsewhere.

@Vietnam_soldier

Yes I was and am still an active poster here with a different poster name. I plan to "disclose" my non-mod-identity but wanted to wait until Dr. Baker introduces us (which was planned but perhaps will never come). And you know what, I even used the 5.5.0 for quite some time! ;-)

Ahh, so you sort of jumped in feet 1st into the project?


Has feet1st ever used 5.5.0? I doubt that very much - and no I'm not feet1st. ;-)


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