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[DPC]FOKschaap~Jumparound Send message Joined: 17 Dec 05 Posts: 2 Credit: 60,626 RAC: 0	Message 8409 - Posted: 5 Jan 2006, 8:14:56 UTC check this WU https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=3761771 look at the points wasted :( is it possible to remove it in all? ID: 8409 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Paul D. Buck Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 815 Credit: 1,812,737 RAC: 0	Message 8415 - Posted: 5 Jan 2006, 9:15:39 UTC When you abort a work unit, it still has to be loaded and rejected by the science application before it can be reported and cleared. you can suspend other projects and work to force the issue if it bothers you. Or just wait and it will clear itself eventually. ID: 8415 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Grutte Pier [Wa Oars]~MAB The Frisian Send message Joined: 6 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 497,588 RAC: 0	Message 8445 - Posted: 5 Jan 2006, 23:57:41 UTC When can we expect these 205's to be gone forever ? https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=5400380 Just taking time. ID: 8445 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Tern Send message Joined: 25 Oct 05 Posts: 575 Credit: 4,489,942 RAC: 177	Message 8446 - Posted: 6 Jan 2006, 0:05:42 UTC - in response to Message 8445. When can we expect these 205's to be gone forever ? https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=5400380 This result was sent to you on Dec 29th and sat in your cache... it is already cancelled, it was just waiting on you to abort it. ID: 8446 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Grutte Pier [Wa Oars]~MAB The Frisian Send message Joined: 6 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 497,588 RAC: 0	Message 8468 - Posted: 6 Jan 2006, 6:55:13 UTC Last modified: 6 Jan 2006, 6:56:52 UTC What I don't understand is, while I had my cache set on 3 days, the first posting about this was on the 20th of december and I received it on the 29th. Seems the cache isn't emptied sequentually. ID: 8468 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Tern Send message Joined: 25 Oct 05 Posts: 575 Credit: 4,489,942 RAC: 177	Message 8469 - Posted: 6 Jan 2006, 7:08:53 UTC First person got it on the 20th and completed it same day. Next person got it the 20th, completed it the 23rd. Third person got it the 23rd and completed it same day. Fourth got it the 23rd, completed the 27th. Fifth got it the 27th, completed the 28th. Sixth got it the 28th, completed the 29th. You got it the 29th, it was set to "canceled" I believe on the 30th or 31st, you completed it on the 5th. If your cache is 3 days and you run ONLY Rosetta, it should have been done the 1st; if you run one or two other projects, the 5th is about right. ID: 8469 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Grutte Pier [Wa Oars]~MAB The Frisian Send message Joined: 6 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 497,588 RAC: 0	Message 8470 - Posted: 6 Jan 2006, 8:06:13 UTC Last modified: 6 Jan 2006, 8:39:20 UTC I didn't read the whole thread, but expected it (seems logical to me) to be cancelled as soon as it was known. Not te be send afterwards. But I've had much more other errors, so we'll see. It's a rather new project, but I hope it will run as it should in the very near future. ID: 8470 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

River~~ Send message Joined: 15 Dec 05 Posts: 761 Credit: 285,578 RAC: 0	Message 8488 - Posted: 6 Jan 2006, 17:11:50 UTC - in response to Message 8470. I didn't read the whole thread, but expected it (seems logical to me) to be cancelled as soon as it was known. Not te be send afterwards. But I've had much more other errors, so we'll see. OK, in retrospect yes it would have been great if these WU had been cancelled on the server as soon as they were spotted. This did not happen as none of the Rosetta team had realised that they would automatically be re-issued. BOINC is a large and impressive piece of kit, which takes time to learn. It's a rather new project, but I hope it will run as it should in the very near future. As you correctly say, it is a new project, and the team are learning as they go along. Jack and DavidK now know what they need to do before asking users to abort work in progress. They are also less likely to need to do this at all in future as they have taken on board ideas about extending the amount of testing before new configurations of wu get released to the mainstream. The project will not suddenly become perfect overnight - it will tend gradually towards perfection as more and more is learnt from rarer and rarer mistakes. I find this particularly easy to accept from a project team like this one where the project programmers come on line and apologise personally. R~~ ID: 8488 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

arcturus Send message Joined: 22 Sep 05 Posts: 16 Credit: 525,440 RAC: 0	Message 8494 - Posted: 6 Jan 2006, 19:12:43 UTC created 3 Jan 2006 12:04:58 UTC name NO_RAND_WTS_1dtj_230_3427 https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=4621838 something new perhaps? ID: 8494 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Paul D. Buck Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 815 Credit: 1,812,737 RAC: 0	Message 8498 - Posted: 6 Jan 2006, 19:42:51 UTC Last modified: 6 Jan 2006, 19:43:09 UTC This did not happen as none of the Rosetta team had realised that they would automatically be re-issued. BOINC is a large and impressive piece of kit, which takes time to learn. And I would not have 1,000 pages of documentation if it was not so large. ID: 8498 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Grutte Pier [Wa Oars]~MAB The Frisian Send message Joined: 6 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 497,588 RAC: 0	Message 8500 - Posted: 6 Jan 2006, 20:14:09 UTC Last modified: 6 Jan 2006, 20:37:36 UTC I'm just a bit disappointed because of the time lost, but see no reason to discontinue me running R@H at the moment, although already had more than 60 errors. However would like to know if/when we can expect eventually credits for time-exceeding WU's. When I have made my mind up about the project to crunch for I get statscrazy, I know its my fault but I can't help myself. ID: 8500 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Paul D. Buck Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 815 Credit: 1,812,737 RAC: 0	Message 8525 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 7:12:19 UTC - in response to Message 8500. When I have made my mind up about the project to crunch for I get statscrazy, I know its my fault but I can't help myself. We all do. It is because it is the "proof" of our contribution. And we all hate to be "cheated" even though our real reward is in Heaven ... ID: 8525 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Moderator7 Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 27 Dec 05 Posts: 10 Credit: 0 RAC: 0	Message 8546 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 20:19:27 UTC There has been some concern that results that should be granted credit have been being deleted from the web pages. All of these results have been archived, and credit will be granted for those that meet the criteria established by the project. It is currently anticipated that the credit granting script will be run on Monday. ID: 8546 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 7 Oct 05 Posts: 234 Credit: 15,020 RAC: 0	Message 8560 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 23:33:42 UTC - in response to Message 8546. There has been some concern that results that should be granted credit have been being deleted from the web pages. All of these results have been archived, and credit will be granted for those that meet the criteria established by the project. It is currently anticipated that the credit granting script will be run on Monday. Ok and thanks for your info. :-) [b]"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me[/b] ID: 8560 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Roland Windsor Vincent Send message Joined: 6 Jan 06 Posts: 12 Credit: 730 RAC: 0	Message 8617 - Posted: 9 Jan 2006, 3:48:33 UTC I'm new with Rosetta, and don't know quite where to jump in with a question. I've been a SETI classic participant for 7 years, and only downloaded BOINC when the classic site shut down. This seems like a more worthwhile project, so here I am. Should the time to completion figure continue to rise as a work unit is run? This seems counterintuitive. When should it begin to decline? Or do I have a bad batch of data? Thanks, Roland Gravity is just a scientific theory. We should also teach the religious view that God is pushing us down. ID: 8617 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Tern Send message Joined: 25 Oct 05 Posts: 575 Credit: 4,489,942 RAC: 177	Message 8619 - Posted: 9 Jan 2006, 5:40:40 UTC - in response to Message 8617. Should the time to completion figure continue to rise as a work unit is run? This seems counterintuitive. When should it begin to decline? Or do I have a bad batch of data? You've returned 9 errors so far, and no good results - these look like the "memory bug". On the General Preferences page on the website, you MUST have "leave applications in memory when preempted" set to "yes", or your results will error out. If you already have that setting, then we'll have to dig further... As a result of these WUs not completing, they didn't take the full amount of time they should have (what the project estimated). Thus BOINC thinks you have a _very_ fast computer, and has set the Duration Correction Factor very low for your host. This makes the "to-completion" time on the next result be much lower than it should be - as it runs, BOINC sees that it's original estimate was wrong and recalculates every few seconds. This makes the time go UP instead of down, until you're past the 50% mark. Once you start returning valid results, the times should become a lot more accurate - and go down instead of up, as you'd expect. :-) ID: 8619 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Rebirther Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 116 Credit: 41,315 RAC: 0	Message 8702 - Posted: 10 Jan 2006, 7:21:08 UTC Last modified: 10 Jan 2006, 7:40:57 UTC Don`t know why this happened but got after 5:45h a computation error like the memory bug. This was my first error. Something bad with this WU?! NO_BARCODE_FRAGS_1di2_227_9494_0 ID: 8702 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Hoelder1in Send message Joined: 30 Sep 05 Posts: 169 Credit: 3,915,947 RAC: 0	Message 8714 - Posted: 10 Jan 2006, 11:12:08 UTC - in response to Message 8619. Last modified: 10 Jan 2006, 11:14:56 UTC Should the time to completion figure continue to rise as a work unit is run? This seems counterintuitive. When should it begin to decline? Or do I have a bad batch of data? Once you start returning valid results, the times should become a lot more accurate - and go down instead of up, as you'd expect. :-) Well yes, but at least on my machine the 'time to completion' only decreases when the percentages change (say, from 20% to 30%), but it increases during periods where the percent value stays constant. So it seems BOINC calculates the 'time to completion' in a funny way ? Well, the completion times aren't very accurate anyway, so I saw no reason to complain about this - but yes, it does seem counterintuitive. ID: 8714 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Webmaster Yoda Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 161 Credit: 162,253 RAC: 0	Message 8717 - Posted: 10 Jan 2006, 11:57:12 UTC - in response to Message 8714. Last modified: 10 Jan 2006, 11:57:50 UTC Well yes, but at least on my machine the 'time to completion' only decreases when the percentages change (say, from 20% to 30%), but it increases during periods where the percent value stays constant. Makes sense to me. If after 30 minutes it's at 10%, the estimated time to completion would be 10 times the time already taken (i.e. 5 hours) and keep climbing until it hits 20% (If I spend X minutes to do Y% how long will it take to do 100%?) It's further complicated by the variable length of the steps. I have suspended crunching for Rosetta for now, but never took much notice of the estimated time to completion as it was basically meaningless. * Join BOINC@Australia today * ID: 8717 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Angus Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 412 Credit: 321,053 RAC: 0	Message 8731 - Posted: 10 Jan 2006, 20:25:52 UTC - in response to Message 8546. There has been some concern that results that should be granted credit have been being deleted from the web pages. All of these results have been archived, and credit will be granted for those that meet the criteria established by the project. It is currently anticipated that the credit granting script will be run on Monday. Did this happen on Monday? Proudly Banned from Predictator@Home and now Cosmology@home as well. Added SETI to the list today. Temporary ban only - so need to work harder :) "You can't fix stupid" (Ron White) ID: 8731 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote