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Message 109626 - Posted: 19 Aug 2024, 21:46:25 UTC - in response to Message 109623.  
Last modified: 19 Aug 2024, 21:52:00 UTC

Wow, the queue got eaten up that fast?
There must be some people that take 100 tasks at a time.

Are you sure? I didn't even see a queue appear on the front page, just downloaded 16 (1 per core) 8hrs ago, then nothing, then 8 about 5hrs ago, then nothing again.
Weird thing is, 10 of that first 16 Robetta tasks crashed out after varying amounts of times when they were pretty reliable before.
So, just 14 running successfully atm with nothing to back it up.

Edit: Just checked and they were mainly re-sends, very few new tasks. The ones that crashed out had already crashed on a previous host, so not a sign of anything new going wrong
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Message 109627 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 6:07:26 UTC - in response to Message 109617.  
Last modified: 20 Aug 2024, 6:23:46 UTC

I've set the messages boards to ignore pinned messages
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Here is your problem.
No, the problem is the database is corrupted.
It should include this thread in the list in order of most recent post to oldest (as per my forum settings), and for some reason, that's no longer occurring.



Edit- a "Rosetta Beta 6.00" is borked as well, it's not being sorted in order of post date/time.


Edit- i thought i'd see what changing the settings fir the message boards would do- and for some reason the how to sort option for the threads had changed from "Newest post first" to "Newest first."
Changed it back and updated- threads are now all being sorted as they should be.


If weird things start happening, check the settings (even if you haven't made any changes to them for years...).
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Message 109629 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 9:04:09 UTC - in response to Message 109622.  

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Veneto is a region (where i live) of Italy. My nickname is boboviz...


Sorry about that..couldn't remember your nickname and was in a rush this morning to get out of the house.

No problem :-P

I thought he was asking how to block the Beta app so he wouldn't get that work, being that it errors out right now.
Is that even possible?

With the xml file you force to download the selected app.
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Message 109631 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 15:54:12 UTC

Since the project has recently restarted I have had some tasks start with a predicted exec. time of 10hr. After crunching for 8 hrs it then says that there are 15-24 more hrs. I am running windows 11. Is this a false estimate, or will it take that much time? To not pour more time into something acting weird I have aborted the task. Is this a problem? Will it be worth crunching? Will I get full credit for all this processing?
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Message 109632 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 18:20:22 UTC

I don't receive new tasks for weeks now.

Is there a systematic list of checks I should do to discover the reason why?

There used to be a time when I did not get new tasks because I had to enable Python in my web profile, I did that once. Has there been a similar change which expects me to change any preferences which I never heard of before?
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Message 109633 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 18:23:36 UTC - in response to Message 109631.  

Since the project has recently restarted I have had some tasks start with a predicted exec. time of 10hr. After crunching for 8 hrs it then says that there are 15-24 more hrs. I am running windows 11. Is this a false estimate, or will it take that much time? To not pour more time into something acting weird I have aborted the task. Is this a problem? Will it be worth crunching? Will I get full credit for all this processing?
It does take 8 hours to process each Task, but as your system is severely over committed, it's taking it 12 hours to do 8 hours worth of work.
You could determine what else is using your CPU time (eg Folding@home) and reduce the number of cores/threads available to BOINC to sort the issue out, or just accept that it takes your system 12 hours to do only 8 hours worth of work.
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Message 109634 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 18:24:48 UTC - in response to Message 109632.  
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I don't receive new tasks for weeks now.
Because the servers were down for several weeks- as was mentioned in this thread earlier.
And even before that outage, work availability was very much random. Sometimes there was work, often there wasn't.
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Message 109635 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 18:50:20 UTC

Aaaand ... I just received new tasks.
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Message 109636 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 18:58:50 UTC

Current status:

Tasks ready to send 0
Tasks in progress 66224
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Message 109637 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 21:51:44 UTC - in response to Message 109611.  

You can ask Veneto how to do that modification to block beta work. But I only got one beta and since then nothing but clean 4.20. So is it worth the effort to mess around?


The "usual" app_config.xml
Something like this (if i remember correctly):
<app_config>
    <app>
        <name>rosetta</name>
            <max_concurrent>X</max_concurrent>
    </app>
 </app_config>

(with X you can configure how many cores to use)

This won't block Boinc from downloading beta work, and it has no effect all all on the number of cores each task will use.. It will only limit it from running more than X Rosetta tasks simultaneously.

To control the number of cores a task uses, you need to include an <app_version> section in app_config.xml, like this:
<app_version>
        <app_name>ATLAS</app_name>
        <avg_ncpus>2</avg_ncpus>
        <plan_class>vbox64_mt_mcore_atlas</plan_class>
        <cmdline>--nthreads 2</cmdline>
    </app_version>

<avg_ncpus> tells Boinc that tasks will be running on 2 threads, while the cmdline parameter is passed to the program to tell it to do so.

If there were any way to tell Boinc not to download beta tasks, it would be in the cc_config.xml file. I see nothing in the user guide to suggest that is even possible. Therefore, since Rosetta itself does not distinguish between the "old' and beta tasks, it seems there is no way to block a client Boinc from downloading Rosetta beta tasks.
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Message 109638 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 21:55:15 UTC - in response to Message 109612.  

Stuprd boinc thinks <max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent> is unlimited.

How would you do it?
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Message 109639 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 21:56:01 UTC - in response to Message 109638.  

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Message 109640 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 22:00:20 UTC - in response to Message 109639.  

If you want to complain about how Boinc works, then you owe it to everyone to suggest an alternative.
So once again, how would you do it?
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Message 109641 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 22:02:29 UTC

<max_concurrent>-1</max_concurrent> should have been unlimited.
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Message 109642 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 22:12:35 UTC - in response to Message 109641.  

<max_concurrent>-1</max_concurrent> should have been unlimited.

Alternatively, don't even include the section at all, if you don't wish to limit the number of concurrent tasks.
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Message 109654 - Posted: 23 Aug 2024, 4:07:20 UTC

boinc-process is still dead (days), along with Ralph (week and a half and counting).

There was another very brief release of Rosetta 4.20 Tasks a few hours ago, so a bit more to go on the Validation backlog.
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Message 109657 - Posted: 23 Aug 2024, 14:21:19 UTC - in response to Message 109654.  

Ralph is alive but a bit unwell.
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Message 109659 - Posted: 23 Aug 2024, 16:27:01 UTC - in response to Message 109657.  

Ralph is alive but a bit unwell.


Yep
23/08/2024 18:16:13 | ralph@home | Scheduler request to https://ralph.bakerlab.org/ralph_cgi/cgi failed: HTTP file not found

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Message 109660 - Posted: 23 Aug 2024, 18:38:59 UTC - in response to Message 109657.  
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Ralph is alive but a bit unwell.
And clicking on Number Crunching there gives this-

Deprecated: trim(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/util_basic.inc on line 107

Deprecated: trim(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/util_basic.inc on line 107

Deprecated: trim(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/util_basic.inc on line 107

Deprecated: trim(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/util_basic.inc on line 107

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

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Followed by the thread list.

So it looks like it's back to where it was, just before it died completely.
I wouldn't say it was so much alive, as it's no longer completely dead. Just mostly dead.
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Message 109662 - Posted: 24 Aug 2024, 2:07:20 UTC

Ralph appears to be fully functional now, so with a bit of luck we might get some new work there to test Rosetta 4.29 (and maybe even the Beta 6.06 application as well that crashed and burned everything that was sent out for it on it's fist try here).
While we're doing that, they can sort out the dead boinc-process server here.
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