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Message 97186 - Posted: 3 Jun 2020, 12:33:00 UTC - in response to Message 97180.  

This is the latest Android version unless I use the BETA. Anyway, I deleted Rosetta from the only phone that can run it. So long, Rosetta.


Why are you avoiding the Beta? Betas work just as well as official versions.
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Message 97187 - Posted: 3 Jun 2020, 12:34:36 UTC - in response to Message 97181.  

Last update broke connectivity with Rosetta@home seems for all my systems.
Even completed results can't upload.

And I have currently no time to implement fixes through whole fleet.
So, Einstein@home now.
Better to think twice before such radical changes.
EDIT: seems whole BOINC issue. Well, saves for electricity then.


This whole problem was caused by utter incompetance from the Boinc programmers, who should have had that expiry date written down somewhere. They should have changed that certificate long before it expired. If this was a private company, there would be people getting fired right now.
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Message 97188 - Posted: 3 Jun 2020, 12:36:02 UTC - in response to Message 97181.  
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Last update broke connectivity with Rosetta@home seems for all my systems.
Even completed results can't upload.

And I have currently no time to implement fixes through whole fleet.
So, Einstein@home now.
Better to think twice before such radical changes.
EDIT: seems whole BOINC issue. Well, saves for electricity then.

It's a known problem with all the BOINC projects that have switched from http:
to https: and use a certain expired entry in the ca_bundle.crt file, for Windows
and Android users only.

The known fix for Windows users is to upgrade to the 7.16.7 version of BOINC,
which has the problem entry in ca_bundle.crt removed.

A fix for Android users appears to be very difficult to provide.

World Community Grid uses https:, but does not use the problem entry, and
therefore isn't affected.
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Message 97190 - Posted: 3 Jun 2020, 12:38:58 UTC - in response to Message 97188.  

Last update broke connectivity with Rosetta@home seems for all my systems.
Even completed results can't upload.

And I have currently no time to implement fixes through whole fleet.
So, Einstein@home now.
Better to think twice before such radical changes.
EDIT: seems whole BOINC issue. Well, saves for electricity then.

It's a known problem with all the BOINC projects that have switched from http:
to https: and use a certain entry in the ca_bundle.crt file, for Windows and Android
users only.

The known fix for Windows users is to upgrade to the 7.16.7 version of BOINC,
which has the problem entry in ca_bundle.crt removed.

A fix for Android users appears to be very difficult to provide.


The only projects I know of with the problem are Rosetta, LHC, and Numberfields. LHC and Rosetta (I don't know about Numberfields) have fixed it at their end. You don't need to adjust your own settings any more. My Androids are working on both projects just fine now.
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Message 97372 - Posted: 14 Jun 2020, 6:57:12 UTC

for a few hours now, my computers have uploaded finished tasks, but according to the BOINC manager they get stuck in the "ready to report" status.
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Message 97374 - Posted: 14 Jun 2020, 7:38:56 UTC - in response to Message 97372.  

for a few hours now, my computers have uploaded finished tasks, but according to the BOINC manager they get stuck in the "ready to report" status.

the problem seems to have gotten solved now :-)
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Message 97384 - Posted: 14 Jun 2020, 17:22:23 UTC - in response to Message 97374.  

for a few hours now, my computers have uploaded finished tasks, but according to the BOINC manager they get stuck in the "ready to report" status.

the problem seems to have gotten solved now :-)


Glad to hear it. I saw a server outage today for a few hours, but it seems to be over it.

P.S., not being rude, but why do Americans say "gotten"? In the UK, "get" is present tense, "got" is past tense. So is "gotten" like more than 3 days ago or something? Really really past tense?
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Message 97385 - Posted: 14 Jun 2020, 18:50:13 UTC - in response to Message 97384.  

P.S., not being rude, but why do Americans say "gotten"?

It is past perfect. We would say "got" or "have gotten", but not "have got". That is considered poor grammar.
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Message 97386 - Posted: 14 Jun 2020, 18:56:17 UTC - in response to Message 97385.  

P.S., not being rude, but why do Americans say "gotten"?

It is past perfect. We would say "got" or "have gotten", but not "have got". That is considered poor grammar.


Past what? Er.... I deal with present, past, future. I can't think of any other times. Time is a linear dimension, there's now, before now, and what hasn't happened yet. I've never understood why we don't have a seperate word for future, but two for the past. Seems to have been removed from UK English anyway, although we've kept others. I suppose I should be thankful I don't live somewhere with genders for inanimate objects!
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Message 97387 - Posted: 14 Jun 2020, 19:02:17 UTC - in response to Message 97386.  

Past what? Er.... I deal with present, past, future. I can't think of any other times.

American English has evolved in the last 200 years.
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Message 97388 - Posted: 14 Jun 2020, 19:07:32 UTC - in response to Message 97387.  

Past what? Er.... I deal with present, past, future. I can't think of any other times.

American English has evolved in the last 200 years.


Actually it's stayed more the same than UK English. We've had influences from the French for example. Your spelling of sulfur, color, etc, were what we used to use, then the French added extra unnecessary letters and we listened to them. Don't ever join the EU :-)
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Message 97389 - Posted: 14 Jun 2020, 19:09:57 UTC - in response to Message 97388.  
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Don't ever join the EU :-)

OK, I guess we will scrap our plans to do so.
(I know, they wouldn't want us anyway.)
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Message 97393 - Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 3:14:21 UTC - in response to Message 97384.  
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for a few hours now, my computers have uploaded finished tasks, but according to the BOINC manager they get stuck in the "ready to report" status.

the problem seems to have gotten solved now :-)


Glad to hear it. I saw a server outage today for a few hours, but it seems to be over it.

P.S., not being rude, but why do Americans say "gotten"? In the UK, "get" is present tense, "got" is past tense. So is "gotten" like more than 3 days ago or something? Really really past tense?


"It has gotten dark outside"!!! To say "it has got dark outside'' is just plain bad in any language.
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Message 97395 - Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 11:50:57 UTC - in response to Message 97393.  

for a few hours now, my computers have uploaded finished tasks, but according to the BOINC manager they get stuck in the "ready to report" status.

the problem seems to have gotten solved now :-)


Glad to hear it. I saw a server outage today for a few hours, but it seems to be over it.

P.S., not being rude, but why do Americans say "gotten"? In the UK, "get" is present tense, "got" is past tense. So is "gotten" like more than 3 days ago or something? Really really past tense?


"It has gotten dark outside"!!! To say "it has got dark outside'' is just plain bad in any language.


Well that's what we say in the UK, since we don't use the word gotten anymore. And I can't understand why you need it. Got is past tense, for anything that happened in the past. It became dark earlier than now, so you use got. Officially, "past perfect" (which I think is pointless, and I assume is what you're saying "gotten" is) refers to to a time before the time you are talking about in the past, so it's in the past of the past, as in "yesterday it had already been raining". But "it has got dark outside" is just past. Anyway, these rules are so complicated that nobody could possibly work out which to use in the time taken to say a sentence in everyday conversation, which is why we've lost that word from UK English.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our English is better, for example we spell colour with that pointless extra U, just because the French do. As for manoeuvre vs. maneuver..... 3 vowels together?! I've never learned how to spell that and have to guess until it's close enough for my spellchecker to understand it.
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Message 97396 - Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 11:52:20 UTC - in response to Message 97389.  

Don't ever join the EU :-)

OK, I guess we will scrap our plans to do so.
(I know, they wouldn't want us anyway.)


I hope they don't want us back. If Scotland ever get independance, they're going to try to rejoin. Utterly crazy, wanting to leave the UK then join the EU. Independant or not, pick one Miss Sturgeon!
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Message 97397 - Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 12:13:29 UTC - in response to Message 97395.  

for a few hours now, my computers have uploaded finished tasks, but according to the BOINC manager they get stuck in the "ready to report" status.

the problem seems to have gotten solved now :-)


Glad to hear it. I saw a server outage today for a few hours, but it seems to be over it.

P.S., not being rude, but why do Americans say "gotten"? In the UK, "get" is present tense, "got" is past tense. So is "gotten" like more than 3 days ago or something? Really really past tense?


"It has gotten dark outside"!!! To say "it has got dark outside'' is just plain bad in any language.


Well that's what we say in the UK, since we don't use the word gotten anymore. And I can't understand why you need it. Got is past tense, for anything that happened in the past. It became dark earlier than now, so you use got. Officially, "past perfect" (which I think is pointless, and I assume is what you're saying "gotten" is) refers to to a time before the time you are talking about in the past, so it's in the past of the past, as in "yesterday it had already been raining". But "it has got dark outside" is just past. Anyway, these rules are so complicated that nobody could possibly work out which to use in the time taken to say a sentence in everyday conversation, which is why we've lost that word from UK English.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our English is better, for example we spell colour with that pointless extra U, just because the French do. As for manoeuvre vs. maneuver..... 3 vowels together?! I've never learned how to spell that and have to guess until it's close enough for my spellchecker to understand it.


You say ALOT of things differently in the UK that people in the rest of the World do, it's part of what makes each place the same but different, ie Loo, aluminium, tomato, potato and about a million others. You guys also have shaggy cows while the US has longhorn cattle, you guys also eat ALOT of sheep while in the US that's not nearly as popular.
The key is we all crunch no matter how we say it.
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Message 97401 - Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 16:26:35 UTC - in response to Message 97397.  

The key is we all crunch no matter how we say it.

That is what attracted me to engineering back in a more turbulent era (even more turbulent than now, for people who were not around at the time).
It is not political. They are just trying to do useful things.
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Message 97402 - Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 16:32:58 UTC - in response to Message 97397.  

You say ALOT of things differently in the UK that people in the rest of the World do, it's part of what makes each place the same but different, ie Loo, aluminium, tomato, potato and about a million others. You guys also have shaggy cows while the US has longhorn cattle, you guys also eat ALOT of sheep while in the US that's not nearly as popular.
The key is we all crunch no matter how we say it.


No *you* say a lot different, the language is called English, not American :-P
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Message 97403 - Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 16:33:55 UTC - in response to Message 97401.  

The key is we all crunch no matter how we say it.

That is what attracted me to engineering back in a more turbulent era (even more turbulent than now, for people who were not around at the time).
It is not political. They are just trying to do useful things.


And then governments and big business try to steal your ideas and profit from them. All science should be shared for free.
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Message 97405 - Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 18:33:33 UTC - in response to Message 97403.  

And then governments and big business try to steal your ideas and profit from them. All science should be shared for free.

No, they never get used unless someone makes them. And it is not stealing when you are paid to invent them, or give them away for free, as with DC projects.
In fact, the only reason any of us do these projects is in the hopes that they will get used.
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