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Message 27281 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 11:24:56 UTC - in response to Message 27272.  
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Jose, I apologize that I didn't make that statement with my non-mod-handle. Then I would have avoided the dicussion whether a mod can make such a statement or not.

I still can't follow your reasoning why the statement could be interpreted as an insult since nobody is argumenting the old system was fairer than the new one - not even you or Vietnam_Soldier do. ;-) There are many differences on other subjects whether the transition was good or bad, whether there were viable alternatives, whether the project suffered or profited from the change and so on and I didn't call anyone who disagrees with me on those topics irrational.


It is obvious by your statement that you are not sorry for having posted the insult but only for having being taken to task for insulting under the disguise/protection of a moderator.

You have been one very happy to moderate out any hint no matter how slight of an insult. And yet when you insult , you were not moderated and still to this moment you are still arguing that calling a person irrational or hinting a person is irrational is not an insult.

The fact that you were not moderated out is a sign of a double standard . Specially since some of your fellow moderators (some of them as trigger happy as you are) did not moderated your post AND defended you.

See, since I don't know who you are: I cannot even pass judgement on your claim that everything was based on a faulty translation. I have to judge the posts where you have stated more than once that those who do not share your views are irrational or not capable of entering into a rational argument as they insults they are.

That said and since you used your mod handle and given your history of hypersensitive moderating acts I can also pass judgement about your work as a moderator: you have shown bias and thus cannot be trusted in moderating threads where you have become an active participant ( and worst an active flamer). The fact that you are a moderator and can use as you have the powers of a moderator to eliminate dissent and the fact that you because you are a moderator have been protected by other moderators make you a moderator whose actions cannot be trusted.

PS: There have been people that are arguing that the old system was better and fairer than this one.



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Message 27289 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 13:19:45 UTC
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Jose I disagree:

- I called no person being irrational or those who don't share my view being irrational
- I don't think my remark was an insult to anybody
- I don't moderate any hint of an insult but instead tolerate even mild insults
- I am from Germany so english isn't my native language and you don't need any proof to trust me on that
- I have no history of hypersensitive moderating
- I don't show bias


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Message 27298 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 13:42:12 UTC - in response to Message 27289.  
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Jose I disagree:

- I called no person being irrational or those who don't share my view being irrational
- I don't think my remark was an insult to anybody
- I don't moderate any hint of an insult but instead tolerate even mild insults
- I am from Germany so english isn't my native language and you don't need any proof to trust me on that
- I have no history of hypersensitive moderating
- I don't show bias



Your remark was an insult. It was received as an insult and this has been pointed out. If you don't want to believe me, I will gladly refer you to a post by a fellow moderator where he stated , your use of the word irrational was not appropriate (indeed it was an insult) and that he was sure you were going to apologize. (He was wrong on that one)

If you don't understand the connotation of the word irrational , then there are more problems than the language excuse. BTW I am not a native English speaker . If your excuse regarding language is accepted; then I should be given the same language excuse.

Sorry : You have decided to remain anonymous. I want proof of whom you are. Trust is regained by openness. Id yourself and show by your idying yourself , you have no hidden agendas.

As to the last two statements and another one ( the third one) : I wont touch them with a 10 foot pole. Reacting to them would get me in deep trouble.
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Message 27300 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 13:45:52 UTC - in response to Message 27298.  
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As to the last two statements and another one ( the third one) : I wont touch them with a 10 foot pole. Reacting to them would get me in deep trouble.

You have my word on that. ;-)
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Message 27306 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 14:13:55 UTC - in response to Message 27300.  
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As to the last two statements and another one ( the third one) : I wont touch them with a 10 foot pole. Reacting to them would get me in deep trouble.

You have my word on that. ;-)

I Know. :P

But, I think it is fair to say from whose PMs and thread actions I would have been quoting had I done it. :)



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BTW DE

In his Message 27229 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 1:01:20 UTC , Moderator Sense said:

"... However, you are correct, I haven't seen an actual apology, and I have to agree with you, that they should apologize for the inference that people were acting in a mannar deserving of a label. "

So I take it you don't agree with your fellow moderator on the issue you owe us an apology for the use of the irrational comment.




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Message 27318 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 16:22:49 UTC - in response to Message 27264.  

...Ahh, so you sort of jumped in feet 1st into the project?


I stay out of threads that don't interest me and now I'm accused of being a moderator? I wonder, is calling someone a "moderator" namecalling? :)

How is the new forum working out? Why has noone posted links and instructions on it's use?

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Message 27319 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 16:29:41 UTC - in response to Message 27264.  

Jose you are sidestepping my question. I asked, do you still know people who think the old system was fairer then the new one? I did not ask, do you know people who think the new system isn't fair. Of course it's not totally fair it even has some significant shortages which were discussed here and elsewhere.

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Yes I was and am still an active poster here with a different poster name. I plan to "disclose" my non-mod-identity but wanted to wait until Dr. Baker introduces us (which was planned but perhaps will never come). And you know what, I even used the 5.5.0 for quite some time! ;-)

Ahh, so you sort of jumped in feet 1st into the project?


Has feet1st ever used 5.5.0? I doubt that very much - and no I'm not feet1st. ;-)
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Message 27321 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 16:32:15 UTC - in response to Message 27306.  

As to the last two statements and another one ( the third one) : I wont touch them with a 10 foot pole. Reacting to them would get me in deep trouble.

You have my word on that. ;-)

I Know. :P

But, I think it is fair to say from whose PMs and thread actions I would have been quoting had I done it. :)



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In his Message 27229 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 1:01:20 UTC , Moderator Sense said:

"... However, you are correct, I haven't seen an actual apology, and I have to agree with you, that they should apologize for the inference that people were acting in a mannar deserving of a label. "

So I take it you don't agree with your fellow moderator on the issue you owe us an apology for the use of the irrational comment.



Yep, it seems we differ on this issue and there is nothing wrong with mods who differ on some topics. However regarding this comment by me we will discuss this internally.
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Message 27322 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 16:36:16 UTC - in response to Message 27319.  

Has feet1st ever used 5.5.0? I doubt that very much - and no I'm not feet1st. ;-)

No I've not used it. I do not like installing software on my machines, always seems to lead to some other problem. So, BOINC and Rosetta was enough for me.

So my one point for those calling for EVERYONE to run the 5.5.0 client is simply that I've already installed a client that's working; it came from Berkeley, whom I trust; and that should suffice.
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Message 27325 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 16:44:47 UTC - in response to Message 27318.  


I wonder, is calling someone a "moderator" namecalling? :)



Well it depends on the moderator :) :) :)

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Message 27326 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 16:45:47 UTC

And Mod.De takes us back to the 5.5 issue....

Well done De.
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Message 27327 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 16:48:55 UTC

Will the new forum have a team area? I don't have the post reference handy, but it has been mentioned a few times that it would be useful for teams to have their own area of a message board for themselves.

I've only used Usenet like once and found the interfaces to it quite hideous. This was years ago. I'm sure it's improved a lot since then. Please point me to links and info. on how to use the new forum.
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Message 27328 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 16:50:27 UTC

Perhaps the new forum could have a "Bar area" too, where children aren't allowed. It would be like the "Cafe", only with adult language.

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Message 27330 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 16:55:51 UTC

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GEE! Posted for 20 seconds and already a minus one on the counter.
That is another problem with this forum. This plus/minus voting system, allows a group to get together and effectively silence an opposing view.


A minus vote doesn't silence anyone... unless I suppose you have your message board preferences set to screen that out. I think the default is like -25 before a post is filtered out of anyone's display. So you'd have to get 25 negative votes with none positive to fall in to the filtered out catagory.
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Message 27331 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 17:01:16 UTC - in response to Message 27058.  
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As to moderator bias: All mods started here with the wish to bring peace and reason back and to moderate the different views.


Your use of past tense seems out of place. Are you implying that moderators are no longer interested in bringing peace and reason? [Insert eek emoticon here]

It turned out that a few people are/were not interested in a reasonable discussion but just try to use every possibility to discredit the project.


So are you saying that not only those whom you accuse are irrational: they are not reasonable.

Tsk Tsk DE you are name calling again.

Although we should try to be impartial in any discussion we are also committed to prevent damage to the project.


Sadly the type of medicine you are trying to apply has resulted in more damage. You have become active participant in flaming and have created ill will.

If someone constantly repeats accusing the staff and the mods of being morons we need to act.


I for one have not accused the staff members of being morons. So I am asking that you don't place words in my mouth.

Nor Have I called the moderators morons. I have called them biased and hypersensitive, hard headed and authoritarian among other things. But morons, never.

To make this point clear: I do hold that the moderators have a high degree of intelligence. That is what makes me angry and sad: intelligent people like the moderators behaving in such a way their bias shows ...I will not say what I am thinking after this ...it will get me in trouble. I hope none of the moderators are mind readers :)

That is the moment we become "biased".


Wrong, you became biased when you instead of moderating attacked people by as Mod sense said using labels to imply they were not rational and when you and others allowed flames against one side with your protection and sometimes active participation. Worst when you are hiding under a cloak that doesn't permit to see the real person writing and moderating and while protected by your moderator status and power.
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Message 27332 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 17:03:53 UTC - in response to Message 27326.  

And Mod.De takes us back to the 5.5 issue....

Well done De.



Then we are accused of being the ones that go into the branches.
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Message 27333 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 17:07:45 UTC - in response to Message 27319.  
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...- and no I'm not feet1st. ;-)


De don't leave us hanging. Please the suspense is killing me!!!

Who are you?

See if I were going to be sarcastic I could start an informal poll in a new thread as to your ID. Hey I could even offer a reward to the person that correctly ids you.

But I would not do that : I wouldn't be nice.

PS: What I found interesting is that Moderator Sense refers to you as if you were more than one person.

As I quote

In his Message 27229 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 1:01:20 UTC , Moderator Sense said:

"... However, you are correct, I haven't seen an actual apology, and I have to agree with you, that they should apologize for the inference that people were acting in a mannar deserving of a label. "
Highlight done for empahsis.

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Message 27335 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 17:13:44 UTC - in response to Message 27327.  

Will the new forum have a team area? I don't have the post reference handy, but it has been mentioned a few times that it would be useful for teams to have their own area of a message board for themselves.


No. That is not how USENET works. There is a single group: comp.distributed. It's been available since Feb 2002. Feel free to post. Everyone posts everything there. If you don't want to read certain threads or people, you filter them out on the client end. In the rare occasion that the volumes justify it, groups can be sub-divided. But the volumes need to be demonstrated first, and people would have to vote on it and approve.

I've only used Usenet like once and found the interfaces to it quite hideous. This was years ago. I'm sure it's improved a lot since then. Please point me to links and info. on how to use the new forum.


The interface is up to you, and which client you chose to use. It can be command line (rn/trn/nn/etc). It can be a GUI (Thunderbird/Agent/Gravity/Newswatcher/etc). It can be via web frontend (groups.google.com).
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Message 27337 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 17:16:12 UTC - in response to Message 27328.  

Perhaps the new forum could have a "Bar area" too, where children aren't allowed. It would be like the "Cafe", only with adult language.


On USENET, there is no "allowed". There is no moderation, or authority of any kind. People post what they want, people read what they want. It is up to parents to decide what their kids can/can't see.
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Message 27340 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 17:26:38 UTC - in response to Message 27058.  

It turned out that a few people are/were not interested in a reasonable discussion but just try to use every possibility to discredit the project.

criticize != discredit

Speaking for myself, I posted criticism with the hope that the PTB would take action to fix the problems. Not to discredit the project.
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