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Message 44388 - Posted: 27 Jul 2007, 7:16:02 UTC

Or, only attach to project on the Attach to Wizzard list. Then you should be pretty safe.

The list does not always appear, and when it does, is lacking several mainstream projects however.
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Message 44392 - Posted: 27 Jul 2007, 7:58:11 UTC - in response to Message 44388.  

Or, only attach to project on the Attach to Wizzard list. Then you should be pretty safe.

The list does not always appear, and when it does, is lacking several mainstream projects however.


Always appears for me, at least in the latest BOINC version which is what new people would be installing or trying out with.

Which mainstream project. They are only project D. Anderson can vouch for and verify are good and afaik, it will never include test projects (aka alpha/beta's)

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?>
<projects>
<project>
<name>World Community Grid</name>
<url>http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/</url>
<general_area>Biology and Medicine</general_area>
<specific_area>Humanitarian research on new and infectious disease, natural disasters and hunger.</specific_area>
<description>To further critical non-profit research on some of humanity's most pressing problems by creating the world's largest volunteer computing grid. Research includes HIV/AIDS, cancer, muscular dystrophy, dengue fever, and many more.</description>
<home>IBM Corporate Community Relations</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/wcg.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Tanpaku</name>
<url>http://issofty17.is.noda.tus.ac.jp/</url>
<general_area>Biology and Medicine</general_area>
<specific_area>Biology</specific_area>
<description>To predict protein structure and function from genetic sequences, using the 'Brownian Dynamics' (BD) method. This method enables us to simulate more efficiently than conventional methods.</description>
<home>Tokyo University of Science</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/tanpaku.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Malariacontrol.net</name>
<url>http://www.malariacontrol.net</url>
<general_area>Biology and Medicine</general_area>
<specific_area>Epidemiology</specific_area>
<description>Simulation models of the transmission dynamics and health effects of malaria are an important tool for malaria control. They can be used to determine optimal strategies for delivering mosquito nets, chemotherapy, or new vaccines which are currently under development and testing. Such modeling is extremely computer intensive, requiring simulations of large human populations with a diverse set of parameters related to biological and social factors that influence the distribution of the disease. </description>
<home>The Swiss Tropical Institute</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/africaathome.gif</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Rosetta@home</name>
<url>https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/</url>
<general_area>Biology and Medicine</general_area>
<specific_area>Biology</specific_area>
<description>Determine the 3-dimensional shapes of proteins in research that may ultimately lead to finding cures for some major human diseases. By running Rosetta@home you will help us speed up and extend our research in ways we couldn't possibly attempt without your help. You will also be helping our efforts at designing new proteins to fight diseases such as HIV, Malaria, Cancer, and Alzheimer's</description>
<home>University of Washington</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/rosetta_at_home_logo.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>SIMAP</name>
<url>http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/</url>
<general_area>Biology and Medicine</general_area>
<specific_area>Biology</specific_area>
<description>Calculate similarities between proteins. SIMAP provides a public database of the resulting data, which plays a key role in many bioinformatics research projects.</description>
<home>Technical University of Munich</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/simaplogo.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Predictor@home</name>
<url>http://predictor.scripps.edu/</url>
<general_area>Biology and Medicine</general_area>
<specific_area>Biology</specific_area>
<description>Protein structure prediction starts from a sequence of amino acids and attempts to predict the folded, functioning, form of the protein. Predicting the structure of an unknown protein is a critical problem in enabling structure-based drug design to treat new and existing diseases.</description>
<home>Scripps Research Institute</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/predictor.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Climateprediction.net</name>
<url>http://climateprediction.net</url>
<general_area>Earth Sciences</general_area>
<specific_area>Earth sciences</specific_area>
<description>To investigate the approximations that have to be made in state-of-the-art climate models. By running the model thousands of times we hope to find out how the model responds to slight tweaks to these approximations - slight enough to not make the approximations any less realistic. This will allow us to improve our understanding of how sensitive our models are to small changes and also to things like changes in carbon dioxide and the sulphur cycle. This will allow us to explore how climate may change in the next century under a wide range of different scenarios.</description>
<home>Oxford University</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/cpn_logo_world_1.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Chess960@home</name>
<url>http://www.chess960athome.org/alpha/</url>
<general_area>Mathematics and strategy games</general_area>
<specific_area>Game-playing</specific_area>
<description>This project studies Chess 960, a variant of orthodox chess. In classical chess the starting position of the game never changes. In Chess 960, just before the start of every game, the initial configuration of the chess pieces is determined randomly.</description>
<home>Chess-960.org</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/chess960athome.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>ABC@home</name>
<url>http://abcathome.com/</url>
<general_area>Mathematics and strategy games</general_area>
<specific_area>Mathematics</specific_area>
<description>Search for 'abc-triples': positive integers a,b,c such that a+b=c, a &lt; b &lt; c, a,b,c have no common divisors and c > rad(abc), where rad(n) is the product of the distinct prime factors of n. The ABC conjecture says that there are only finitely many a,b,c such that log(c)/log(rad(abc)) > h for any real h > 1. The ABC conjecture is currently one of the greatest open problems in mathematics. If it is proven to be true, a lot of other open problems can be answered directly from it.</description>
<home>Mathematical Institute of Leiden University / Kennislink</home>
</project>
<project>
<name>PrimeGrid</name>
<url>http://www.primegrid.com</url>
<general_area>Mathematics and strategy games</general_area>
<specific_area>Cryptography</specific_area>
<description>Primegrid is generating a public sequential prime number database, and is searching for large twin primes of the form k*2<sup>n</sup>+1 and k*2<sup>n</sup>-1</description>
<home>Private</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/primegrid_logo.png</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Riesel Sieve</name>
<url>http://boinc.rieselsieve.com/</url>
<general_area>Mathematics and strategy games</general_area>
<specific_area>Mathematics</specific_area>
<description>Find prime numbers of the form k*2<sup>n</sup>-1</description>
<home>Riesel Sieve community</home>
</project>
<project>
<name>Rectilinear Crossing Number</name>
<url>http://dist.ist.tugraz.at/cape5/</url>
<general_area>Mathematics and strategy games</general_area>
<specific_area>Mathematics</specific_area>
<description>What is the least number of crossings a straight-edge drawing of the complete graph on top of a set of n points in the plane obtains? From very recent (not even published yet) mathematical considerations the rectilinear crossing numbers for n=19 and n=21 are also known. So the most tantalizing problem now is to determine the true value for n=18, which is the main focus of this project.</description>
<home>Graz University of Technology (Austria)</home>
</project>
<project>
<name>SZTAKI Desktop Grid</name>
<url>http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/</url>
<general_area>Mathematics and strategy games</general_area>
<specific_area>Mathematics</specific_area>
<description>Find all the generalized binary number systems (in which bases are matrices and digits are vectors) up to dimension 11.</description>
<home>MTA-SZTAKI Laboratory of Parallel and Distributed Systems (Budapest)</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/szdg1_small.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Einstein@home</name>
<url>http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/</url>
<general_area>Astronomy/Physics/Chemistry</general_area>
<specific_area>Astrophysics</specific_area>
<description>Search for spinning neutron stars (also called pulsars) using data from the LIGO and GEO gravitational wave detectors. Einstein@Home is a World Year of Physics 2005 project supported by the American Physical Society (APS) and by a number of international organizations.</description>
<home>Univ. of Wisconsin - Milwaukee, Albert Einstein Institute</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/einstein.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>LHC@home</name>
<url>http://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/</url>
<general_area>Astronomy/Physics/Chemistry</general_area>
<specific_area>Physics</specific_area>
<description>The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a particle accelerator which is being built at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, the world's largest particle physics laboratory. When it switches on in 2007, it will be the most powerful instrument ever built to investigate on particles proprieties. LHC@home simulates particles traveling around the LHC to study the stability of their orbits.</description>
<home>CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research)</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/lhc.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Leiden Classical</name>
<url>http://boinc.gorlaeus.net/</url>
<general_area>Astronomy/Physics/Chemistry</general_area>
<specific_area>Chemistry</specific_area>
<description>Surface science calculations using Classical Dynamics. In contrast to other projects, Leiden Classical allows volunteers, students and other scientist to submit their personal calculations to the grid. Each user has his own personal queue for Classical Dynamics jobs. In this way students have used the grid to simulate liquid argon, or to test the validity of the ideal gas law by actually doing the simulations through the grid.</description>
<home>Leiden University, The Netherlands</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/leiden_classical.png</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Quantum Monte Carlo at Home</name>
<url>http://qah.uni-muenster.de/</url>
<general_area>Astronomy/Physics/Chemistry</general_area>
<specific_area>Chemistry</specific_area>
<description>Study the structure and reactivity of molecules using Quantum Chemistry.</description>
<home>University of Muenster</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/logo_oben.jpg</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>Spinhenge@home</name>
<url>http://spin.fh-bielefeld.de/</url>
<general_area>Astronomy/Physics/Chemistry</general_area>
<specific_area>Chemical engineering and nanotechnology</specific_area>
<description>The study of molecular magnets and controlled nanoscale magnetism. These magnetic molecules may be used to develop tiny magnetic switches, with applications in medicine (such as local tumor chemotherapy) and biotechnology.</description>
<home>Bielefeld University of Applied Sciences</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/rotating-fe30-h90px.gif</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>uFluids@home</name>
<url>http://www.ufluids.net/</url>
<general_area>Astronomy/Physics/Chemistry</general_area>
<specific_area>Physics/Aeronautics</specific_area>
<description>The uFluids project simulates two-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics problems. Our goal is to design better satellite propellant management devices and address two-phase flow in microchannel and MEMS devices.</description>
<home>Purdue University</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/ufluids.gif</image>
</project>
<project>
<name>SETI@home</name>
<url>http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/</url>
<general_area>Astronomy/Physics/Chemistry</general_area>
<specific_area>Astrophysics, astrobiology</specific_area>
<description>SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) is a scientific area whose goal is to detect intelligent life outside Earth. One approach, known as radio SETI, uses radio telescopes to listen for narrow-bandwidth radio signals from space. Such signals are not known to occur naturally, so a detection would provide evidence of extraterrestrial technology.</description>
<home>U.C. Berkeley Space Sciences Laboratory</home>
<image>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/images/seti_logo.png</image>
</project>
</projects>

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Message 44393 - Posted: 27 Jul 2007, 8:02:22 UTC

So which mainstream project is not in the list, I cannot see any major ones missing ?
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Message 44424 - Posted: 28 Jul 2007, 12:03:40 UTC

Always appears for me, at least in the latest BOINC version which is what new people would be installing or trying out with.

The reason I said that was because yesterday, when reading this thread, I called up the list to check it. It did not appear. It is a 5.10.n core, don't remember exactly which, but that machine has only been crunching for 2-3 weeks, so that kind of vintage.

The reason I wanted to look is because when I last saw it, the list looked a bit short. I just did a rough count of the XML you give and there are ~20 projects, whereas BOINCStats you link show ~45.
it will never include test projects (aka alpha/beta's)

QMC is still Beta but appears on the list, MCDN and UFluids are also technically Beta, but appear. Predictor is still knocking the bugs out of an all new client, and LHC is in whatever state it is in this week, yet they appear as well.

Proteins and Docking are amongst the projects I have been crunching for ages, yet they do not appear on the list.

Some of those on the list are hardly "mainstream projects".

I suppose it is a matter of definition, and as soon as you have peoples opinion involved, (David Andersen for example), there will be disagreement.




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Message 44427 - Posted: 28 Jul 2007, 12:16:08 UTC - in response to Message 44424.  

Always appears for me, at least in the latest BOINC version which is what new people would be installing or trying out with.

The reason I said that was because yesterday, when reading this thread, I called up the list to check it. It did not appear. It is a 5.10.n core, don't remember exactly which, but that machine has only been crunching for 2-3 weeks, so that kind of vintage.

The reason I wanted to look is because when I last saw it, the list looked a bit short. I just did a rough count of the XML you give and there are ~20 projects, whereas BOINCStats you link show ~45.
it will never include test projects (aka alpha/beta's)

QMC is still Beta but appears on the list, MCDN and UFluids are also technically Beta, but appear. Predictor is still knocking the bugs out of an all new client, and LHC is in whatever state it is in this week, yet they appear as well.

Proteins and Docking are amongst the projects I have been crunching for ages, yet they do not appear on the list.

Some of those on the list are hardly "mainstream projects".

I suppose it is a matter of definition, and as soon as you have peoples opinion involved, (David Andersen for example), there will be disagreement.





True, some of them are beta looking at the list now it's there and checking on the porjects.
what I actually said though was
and afaik, it will never include test projects (aka alpha/beta's)
afaik = as far as I know (hence please check for yourself ;)

Dr. Andersons opinions are what counts as it all falls back on him if something goes wrong. He said he was only going to add projects he could verify and trust. I do remember him saying something about only fully fledged projects which I assumed to mean beta/alpha projects excluded. Guess not :-(
Probably because the list would be very short :D

Anyways, what I was trying to say is if you stick to them, you can be assured they should be fine to not be malware (i.e trojan@home project scenario) I did not say you couldn't use other projects.
It was in response to the post above mine (greg_be) about peoples fears for not running BOINC project. The list gives some credential to a project.


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Message 44438 - Posted: 28 Jul 2007, 17:29:59 UTC

Proteins & Docking are probably not on as they are either not running or invite only (I think docking is both of them isn't it ?)
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Message 44465 - Posted: 29 Jul 2007, 13:09:46 UTC

Docking is on hiatus whilst the servers are moved. Yes, it is invite only which equates to having account creation closed, which is also the case with MCDN which is on the list. Not running, or being erratic does not prevent LHC being on the list.

I agree with you, the list maybe gives some kind of legitimation in the eyes of some people, but is pretty poor as a list of projects goes.
as it all falls back on him if something goes wrong.

That raised my eyebrow. Are yo saying that if a bogus BOINC project was set up to spam for example, Andersen would get it in the neck? I really doubt that. If there was a risk of that kind of thing, and the crucifying litigation, things like BOINC would never exist.
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Message 44492 - Posted: 29 Jul 2007, 19:58:00 UTC - in response to Message 44465.  
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as it all falls back on him if something goes wrong.

That raised my eyebrow. Are yo saying that if a bogus BOINC project was set up to spam for example, Andersen would get it in the neck? I really doubt that. If there was a risk of that kind of thing, and the crucifying litigation, things like BOINC would never exist.


BOINC is endorsing the projects, since they are on the list on the main program that is needed to run BOINC projects. So people could come back to the BOINC developers, I installed BOINC and picked xxx project it is your fault. Hence I assume why the list is selective to which projects are on it.
Dr. Anderson leads the project so it must be his neck ;)

As for other projects, well that is up to the user to decide if it's safe or not, BOINC has made no judgment. If you want to join a dodgy project, so be it that up to you.


I'm not saying that is true, what happens, it's just how I would interperet it.


P.S. I assume people running online for users account managers would be similar, if you joined through them I would bet some law could be found to say they are liable for what happened. But that would be down to lawyers. I would certainly, if I was them, do some serious checking of new and unknown project to be joined willy nilly through the system. That maybe why grid republics list of projects is small.

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Message 47864 - Posted: 19 Oct 2007, 16:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 44492.  

I read a lot here about what if the client needed to be shut down at all desktops, as far as i know, is that at our school all aplications run on servers, there are like 20 in the basement. so if you install boinc on a server, and you let the desktops acces it, then you would create a kind of supercomputer, so it can be turned off with 1 touch of the mouse, and only 1 machine needs internet acces, wich is a server so that wouldn't be a big problem. now that they have made such a thing a the IBM thingie you could ask dr baker about the rewrited program, and with a few tweaks it could work like this. to bad im not a programmer.
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Message 47865 - Posted: 19 Oct 2007, 16:08:44 UTC - in response to Message 44492.  
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sorry for dubble post

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Message 47866 - Posted: 19 Oct 2007, 16:08:44 UTC - in response to Message 44492.  
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and for tripple, internet got stuck, and i was just to happy and kept cliking the post button, im still waiting for a button, remove my post!??
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Message 49929 - Posted: 22 Dec 2007, 3:08:20 UTC - in response to Message 12498.  
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they'd like to help, but don't understand the science and the pc workings of the program.

to combat these reasons, there should be a clear simple science explanation and the program and setup directions need to be bulletproof so no babysitting is involved. if you're going to have a recruitment drive using mass media (of any sort) be prepared to get people that don't have a large science or pc background and aren't willing to invest too much time. we do it because we love it, but not everyone feels the same way.


I completely agree.

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